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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:33 am Post subject: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 Hey  Guys,  
 
 As  any  other  hobbyist,  I  frequently  visit  lots  of  LFSs  near  my  house  at  Bangalore  and  also  visit  Kolathur,  at  my  home  town  Chennai  once  in  a  while.  
 In  all  most  all  the  stores  the  one  fish  which  is  harassed  the  most  is  the  Betta.  They  are  placed  in  tiny  covers  to  cups  in  which  they  cant  even  even  be  straight  leave  alone  breathing  and  swimming.  
 Nobody  really  cares  if  they  are  sick  and  if  they  die  they  are  still  in  those  cups  for  weeks  stinking  and  horribly  deteriorating.  
 
 I  tried  many  times  to  rescue  these  poor  ones  but  at  last  give  up  realizing  I  cant  save  all  of  them.  
 
 Specific  Incident  -  I  visited  a  well  known  large  Aqua  shop  in  Banaswadi  last  week  and  saw  that  they  had  brought  a  huge  collection  of  Bettas  all  bright  and  brisk,  of  course  colorful.  I  thought  they  were  on  wait  for  a  huge  export  or  sell  off.  Today  I  was  excited  to  go  to  the  shop  to  look  at  them,  but  my  foot  was  in  my  mouth  when  I  saw  hundreds  of  bettas  sick,  dead  and  sadly  placed  in  the  same  filthy  water  gasping  for  air.   Sad   Sad     I  can  mention  the  Aqua-store  if  it  is  permitted.  I  literally  cried  standing  there  thudding  each  cup  (closed  airtight)  to  see  whether  they  are  alive.  
 
 If  I  tell  them,  they  give  back  a  stare  as  if  they  are  gonna  burn  me  down.  
 
 We  should  do  something  about  this.  Can  we  (IAH  members)  educate  the  LFSs?   Cant  we  arrange  for  get-together  meets  like  our  IAH  meets  inviting  LFS  folks  and  imparting  knowledge  on  how  to  maintain  these  cute  animals  ?!   We  have  one  of  the  best  group  of  senior  aquarists  in  INDIA.  
 
 Just  my  few  thoughts.  !!  
 
 Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 great  thought
 we  should  do  it  for  local  regions  not  only  for  bettas  but  all  other  fishes  especially  those  goldies
 we  can  educate  them  of  maintaining  aquariums  along  with  doing  a  fair  business  with  right  advice  to  customers
 
 in  this  process  many  would  give  us  back  but  we  have  to  take  that  politely  and  patiently  may  be  after  year  or  so  things  will  change.
 
 Many  LFS  will  tell  us  they  know  every  thing  but  they  really  dont,  many  things  like  cycling,beneficial  bacteria  and  filter  flow  not  known
 they  generally  suggest  high  filter  pump  even  for  small  tanks  saying  this  will  avoid  water  change  for  40  days  or  so  they  do  this  to  woo  thier  customer  because  if  they  tell  that  you  need  a  minimum  of  4  feet  tank  for  a  flower  horn  with  ¬†weekly  50%  water  change  the  customer  may  drop  the  idea  and  the  hobby  but  here  in  this  case  the  LFS  may  suggest  some  other  options  thats  is  what  we  need  to  try  and  explain  to  him.  instead  of  investing  high  in  number  of  FH  he  may  get  in  to  planted  stuff  because  if  he  sells  planted  tank  concept  he  may  sell  many  things  along  with  it  and   may  earn  more  than  a  FH.  kepping  bettas  in  bigger  tank  is  not  feasible  but  altleast  they  can  do  daily  water  change  and  feeding
 We  keep  criticising  these  LFS  guys  this  time  lets  try  to  help  them.
 MAM  lets  do  it
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:40 am Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 Emmanuel
 Am  with  you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:31 am Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 A  good  thought  and  initiative.  
 
 However  I  have  my  doubts  how  the  idea  of  educating  the  LFS  will  be  taken.  I  know  many  LFS  in  bangalore  where  when  we  walk  in,  we  are  treated  as  alien's.  Just  because  we  have  tried  such  a  thing  in  the  past.  I  have  once  been  asked  to  buy  goods  from  another  shop  as  well  !
 They  just  sit  across  and  wait  for  us  to  go.  They  tell  other  customers  to  wait  till  we  leave  so  that  we  do  not  educate  the  innocent  first  time  buyer.
 
 maybe  we  can  educate  the  shop  owners  on  the  pretext  that  they  will  be  IAH  certified  fishkeepers  Razz  Not  sure  if  that  is  against  the  rules.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

                                                   
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A  good  thought  and  initiative.  
 
 However  I  have  my  doubts  how  the  idea  of  educating  the  LFS  will  be  taken.  I  know  many  LFS  in  bangalore  where  when  we  walk  in,  we  are  treated  as  alien's.  Just  because  we  have  tried  such  a  thing  in  the  past.  I  have  once  been  asked  to  buy  goods  from  another  shop  as  well  !
 They  just  sit  across  and  wait  for  us  to  go.  They  tell  other  customers  to  wait  till  we  leave  so  that  we  do  not  educate  the  innocent  first  time  buyer.
 
 maybe  we  can  educate  the  shop  owners  on  the  pretext  that  they  will  be  IAH  certified  fishkeepers  Razz  Not  sure  if  that  is  against  the  rules.                

 
 we  need  to  form  a  group  locally  with  a  IAH  Tshirts  and  may  be  a  certificate  can  work.
 I  objective  should  be  a  LFS  fair  business,  we  need  to  tell  them  that  we  understand  your  business  and  competition  but  there  are  other  better  ways  of  doing  business.  we  can  give  them  some  example  of  other  good  LFS  in  the  town.
 In  my  opinion  some  LFS  guys  lack  source  of  knowledge  so  they  carry  the  information  given  to  them  by  a  whole  seller  or  some  of  his  aquaintances.  further  not  all  will  shoo  us  away  some  may  listen  to  us  so  lets  give  us  a  try  .
 Guys  needs  some  inputs  on  this
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 IMO-  I  suggest  .....
 
 that  we  make  posters  of  IAH  and  stick-em-up  in  LFS  first  to  bring  their  attention  towards  appropriate  fish-keeping.  
 
 Like  posters  with  Do's  &  Dont's.  
 
 Other  thing  would  be  put  stickers  of  IAH  on  rear  wind  screens  of  cars  "KEEP  THE  FISH  HAPPY"  slogan  on  it.  
 
 Even  bikes  &  Scooters  can  have  a  small  sticker  to  spread  awareness.  
 
 Make  cards  and  keep  them,  atleast  2  in  your  pockets,  so  that  when  a  lay  fish  keeper  asks  questions  we  can  give  them  a  card  to  visit  IAH  website.
 
 I  spend  atleast  1  hr  at  crawford  market  in  a  month  or  twice  a  month,  I  spend  about  1  hr  in  my  favourite  LFS  (shree  aquarium  Giawadi).Whenever  people  enter  the  LFS,  asking  questions,  we  should  volunteer  to  give  them  guidance.  
 
 I  write  the  IAH  web  link  and  give  them  to  visit  IAH  if  they  have  net  access.
 
 I  have  persuaded  my  LFS  guy  to  come  and  participate  with  me  at  MAM.
 
 A  whole  group  going  together  may  look  like  a  raid  ROFL  
 
 Instead  bring  your  favourite  LFS  guy  and  beat  him-up  at  MAM  Punch   Lies  
 
   Oops  I  mean  refine  them.  
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 and  then  we  will  have  the  task  of  re-certifying  them  each  year  !
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 Though  the  intentions  are  good,  I  feel  we  overlook  the  fact  that  most  LFS  see  fish  as  a  source  of  money  and  not  a  living  entity.
 I  suspect  it  is  more  so  indifference  and  not  (only)  lack  of  knowledge  on  LFS's  part.
 
 Even  this  aspect  should  be  addressed.  IMHO.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 LFS  will  not  allow  poster  near  thier  premises  and  niether  they  will  come  to  MAM  leaving  thier  shop
 we  should  visit  each  LFS  and  talk  to  them
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 guys  these  lfs  guys  are  all  about  money  money  and  money
 
 i  myself  have  tried  to  reason  with  them  these  guys  tell  me  to  f*#k  off
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 what  ever  it  is  I'm  totally  in.  even  if  it  involves  being  sweared  at  .great  initiative  @senfunn  lets  make  a  change.  Thumb Up
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guys  these  lfs  guys  are  all  about  money  money  and  money
 
 i  myself  have  tried  to  reason  with  them  these  guys  tell  me  to  f*#k  off                

 I  feel  if  we  go  in  a  proper  way  with  a  small  group  with  some  mature  knowledgeable  person  with  experience  in  public  speaking/relationship  management  to  lead  us  they  may  pay  heed  to  our  say
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 Actually.  I  have  already  educated  many  lfs  in  my  area  and  home  sellers  to  keep  them  in  divided  tanks.
 I  just  made  up  things  saying  they'll  die  if  they're  In  such  conjusted  spaces.  So  now  they  are  in  4x4  spaced  tanks.
 I  also  tell  them  to  feed  them  once  a  day.  Up  till  now  about  four  lfs  have  been  properly  following  my  Instructions.
 
 Few  big  lfs  such  as  zooland  and  others  don't  bother  giving  the  fighers  much  space  as  they  get  sold  very  quickly.  So  they  don't  bother  wasting  space  for  them.  And  very  small  lfs  leave  them  in  packets  because  they  have  no  space  in  their  shop.
 
 I  think  we  should  think  of  a  way  for  every  type  of  lfs  to  properly  keep  bettas.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

                                                   
navneethtk  wrote  (View  Post):                
Actually.  I  have  already  educated  many  lfs  in  my  area  and  home  sellers  to  keep  them  in  divided  tanks.
 I  just  made  up  things  saying  they'll  die  if  they're  In  such  conjusted  spaces.  So  now  they  are  in  4x4  spaced  tanks.
 I  also  tell  them  to  feed  them  once  a  day.  Up  till  now  about  four  lfs  have  been  properly  following  my  Instructions.
 
 Few  big  lfs  such  as  zooland  and  others  don't  bother  giving  the  fighers  much  space  as  they  get  sold  very  quickly.  So  they  don't  bother  wasting  space  for  them.  And  very  small  lfs  leave  them  in  packets  because  they  have  no  space  in  their  shop.
 
 I  think  we  should  think  of  a  way  for  every  type  of  lfs  to  properly  keep  bettas.                

 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: LFS Betta Harassment Reply with quote

 nice  idea  by  garothman
 
 but  dude  LFS  need  money,  he  dont  bother  about  the  health  of  fish...no  matter  wht  breed  it  is
 
 about  beeta  they  sold  under  name  fighter  fish...name  itself  suggest  tough  and  hardy  breed
 
 only  few  people  knws  about  the  fact..90%  ppl  who  visit  LFS  ,  are  new  or  uneducated  hobbyist,  when  fish  die  they  simply  goes  to  the  LFS  and  ask  for  new  variety.after  certain  time  they  give  up....end  of  the  chapter
 
 i  know  many  ppl  whom  i  met  in  LFS  shop  they  invest  heafty  money,  one  fellow  i  met  him  in  LFS  six  month  back
 planted  tank  of  130gl....invested  about  lakh...for  soil  and  automatic  co2  dispanser  extrnal  filter..and  many  more  things
 
 but  still  his  fish  die  within  4  mnts..he  was  upset  and  LFS  was  ready  to  help..nt  free
 
 for  him  fish  is  not  love  but  showoff..so  best  we  can  do  is  spreading  awarness  about  fish  keeping..
 
 as  u  say...i  like  all  your  suggestions...HATS  OFF....
 
 gud  luck  for  future  fish
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