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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 This  post  is  covering  3  things
 1.  A  white  Worms  Photo  and  Springtails  photos
 2.  Culturing  Spring  Tails
 3.  Using  miticide  paper  to  remove  mites  (Deepak  -  We  need  to  find  this  for  our  mites  that  raid  our  cultures)
 
 These  3  photos  are  from  John  Vandeurzen  (Veneta,  Oregon  -  USA)  who  is  Admin  on  "Fishrooms"  on  Facebook
 
 Photo  1  -  A  Mass  of  White  Worm  Culture.  See  how  different  it  is  from  Grindals.  (Pio:  As  compared  to  Grindals  White  Worms  are  more  fatter,  longer  and  look  more  glassy/transparent)
 
 
 Photo  2  -  Spring  Tail  culture  harvesting.  A  culture  that  was  heavy  with  springtails.  John  says  "I  flood  it  so  I  can  scoop  
 out  the  springtails...the  white  worms  will  be  fine"
 
 
 Photo  3  -  Springtails  float  so  John  scoops  them  out  with  a  net
 
 
 My  questions  were  
 Which  fish  will  eat  springtails  ?  
 Are  cultures  sold  ?  
 Can  these  be  collected  after  creating  a  pile  of  leaf  litter  where  they  will  eventually  gather  ?  
 How  fast  do  the  take  to  multiply  ?
 
 John  Vandeurzen  replied  
 Anything  betta  sized  or  smaller  eat  them.  Large  fish  will  eat  them  if  you  turn  off  filtration  as  the  springtails  will  float  in  masses.  My  springtails  are  a  local  variety  that  have  made  their  way  into  my  white  worm  cultures.  They  are  extremely  prolific...as  you  can  see  in  the  middle  photo.
 
 Corey  W  commented  with  a  lot  of  information
 I'd  also  note  that  these  float  on  the  surface,  so  if  the  fish  isn't  willing  to  come  to  the  surface  it  won't  eat  them.  Any  
 fish  that  loves  little  invertebrates  (1-3mm  is  typical  size)  pretty  much  loves  these  though  -  basically  ideal  for  stuff  that  likes  food  smaller  than  a  wingless  fruit  fly  (my  Boraras  love  them).  A  couple  great  traits  for  them  are  that  they  float  on  the  surface,  they  don't  break  water  tension  so  they  don't  drown  (and  can  survive  on  the  water  indefinitely  if  they  have  food),  and  by  gently  blowing  on  them  they  hop  ("spring")  up  around  2-3cm  in  the  air,  otherwise  they  will  just  walk  around  the  surface  of  the  water  (this  activity  makes  them  very  attractive!).  
 
 These  are  often  cultured  and  sold  as  food  items  for  tropical  Poison  Dart  Frogs  so  they  are  pretty  common  in  Europe  and  USA  that  way,  but  I  don't  know  about  India.  I'd  recommend  collecting  some  fallen,  rotting  leaves  and  then  making  a  Berlese  funnel  trap  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullgren_funnel)  to  separate  them  out.  The  mesh  you  use  on  it  should  have  holes  larger  than  3mm  just  to  make  sure  the  little  invertebrates  you  capture  are  the  right  size  and  most  likely  to  be  springtails,  and  keep  larger  things  you  don't  want  OUT.  Generation  time  (how  fast  they  reproduce)  depends  on  the  species  and  conditions,  but  typically  3  weeks  to  8  months,  with  the  larger  species  and  some  temperate/cool  loving  species  taking  longer.  Tiny  tropical  species  tend  to  reproduce  quickly  and  may  be  the  easiest.  Once  you  learn  how  fast  they  reproduce  you  can  even  start  new  cultures  with  adults  with  the  goal  of  getting  tiny  little  babies  (<1mm)  for  fish  fry  to  eat.
 
 Once  you  have  separated  out  some  springtails  (you  may  want  to  try  to  collect  some  from  different  places)  you  need  to  figure  out  how  to  raise  them  easily.  John  had  it  easy,  as  the  springtails  that  invaded  his  culture  obviously  love  his  methods   I  have  raised  6  species  of  small  springtails,  most  being  tropical,  and  not  all  of  them  like  that  method  and  some  are  very  picky  (like  one  species  that  will  ONLY  do  well  if  I  feed  it  real  mushrooms,  the  rest  like  live  baker's  yeast,  dried  couscous,  or  fish  flakes),  and  they  may  have  different  preferred  temperatures  (some  like  it  cooler,  some  like  it  warmer).  
 
 If  you  are  able  to  you  may  want  to  just  take  a  set  up  "culture"  container  (all  set  up  and  add  the  food  you  want  to  try  and  feed  to  the  container  as  well)  and  just  leave  it  outside  in  a  leaf  pile,  and  cover  the  top  with  the  mesh  mentioned  in  the  berlese  funnel  instructions.  Leave  it  out  there  for  a  few  days  and  see  if  anything  shows  up.  This  is  as  close  as  I  can  get  to  John's  luck  of  getting  a  good  local  springtail,  and  I've  used  it  myself  in  the  past  -  if  any  of  the  springtails  in  the  leaf  pile  like  the  container  set  up  they  will  go  there  and  be  hanging  out  on  the  food.  Even  just  a  few  springtails  in  it  will  work  over  time,  and  take  it  home  and  see  if  the  population  starts  getting  bigger.  I  always  leave  a  tiny  amount  of  food  in  there  at  all  times  -  if  they  can  eat  it  all  in  a  couple  of  days  I  have  it  about  right.  Too  much  food  for  the  population  can  make  the  culture  nasty  as  the  fungus  goes  to  town,  and  the  fungus  is  what  they  eat.
 
 Pio  :  After  seeing  this  I  decided  to  find  some  information  about  them
 
 Where  to  find  Springtails  to  start  your  culture
 
 As  per  Wikipedia  Springtails  are  cryptozoa  frequently  found  in  leaf  litter  and  other  decaying  material,[11]  where  they  are  primarily  detritivores  and  microbivores,  and  one  of  the  main  biological  agents  responsible  for  the  control  and  the  
 dissemination  of  soil  microorganisms.
 
 Read  more  about  them
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springtail
 
 Topics  on  culturing  springtails
 http://www.aka.org/ark/bugs.htm
 http://www.junglebox.net/blog/news/a-beginners-guide-to-culturing-springtails/
 
 In  jungle  box  .net  there  was  this  paragraph
 
 Precautions:
 Aside  from  overfeeding,  springtails  do  not  tolerate  drying  out,  or  extreme  temperatures.  Cultures  can  also  be  attacked  by  various  mite  species,  which  can  cause  a  substantial  drop  in  production  or  even  a  complete  crash.  For  this  reason,  we  like  to  keep  cultures  on  miticidal  paper  towels  and  keep  the  area  around  the  cultures  as  clean  as  possible.
 
 Who  can  we  feed  Spring  tails
 
 ·  Betta  bubble  nesting  subadults
 ·  Newts
 ·  Young  Frogs
 ·  Corydoras  fry  and  sub  adults  to  3/4  inches
 ·  Apistogramma  fry  to  1/4  inch
 ·  Killifish  particularly  Epiplaty
 ·  Gourami  subadults
 ·  Guppy  subadults
 ·  A  great  food  for  young  Dart  Frogs  and  small  Herps
 ·  Any  fish  up  to  1  1/2  inches  that  will  eat  from  the  surface  (including  White  Cloud  Mountain  Fish)
 
 Extracted  from  this  topic
 http://www.livefoodcultures.com/springtails.html
 
 Anyone  willing  to  experiment  and  create  a  culture  ?
 
 How  they  use  miticide  paper  to  tackle  mites
 http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/food-feeding/3671-mites-fruit-flies-2.html
 
 Topics  on  Dealing  with  mite  infestations
 http://www.fgsc.net/neurosporaprotocols/How%20to%20deal%20with%20mite%20infections%20and%20to%20minimize%20their%20occurrence%20final.pdf
 
 http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Q7abZQe3CBAC&pg=PA271&lpg=PA271&dq=removing+mites+from+cultures&source=bl&ots=hAHcfdDENI&sig=N3-Rf2TcTLEsKbBxej2WK0-Z_v8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=m8E9UeewFMftrAfW5oGYBQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg
 
 http://www.cbs.knaw.nl/publications/mites.aspx
 
 http://www.cabi.org/Uploads/File/Membership/Mite%20control.pdf
 
 The  bottom  line  will  be  keeping  the  area  free  of  dust,  cobwebs  and  even  spraying  a  bit  of  sanitiser  liquid  around  the  
 culture  box.  I  wonder  if  we  can  use  a  bit  of  pesticide  too  around  the  area  where  we  keep  our  culture  boxes  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  sharing  Pio.  Thats  lots  of  Info.  Smile
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 Phew!!  Thats  a  lot  of  info....
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 very  interesting  info,  thanx  for  sharing  it  here
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:42 am Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 Pio  one  thing  I  read  about  mites,  is  to  use  diatomaceous  earth.  the  guy  was  saying  it  do  not  harm  white/grindle  worms  but  it  affects  springtails.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 Abhishek
 I  think  you  can  make  a  summary  note  on  what  diatomaceous  earth  is  about  and  post  it
 Add  the  link  here  too  the  Mod  can  delete  it  if  needed
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 Has  anyone  successfully  raised  springtails?
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 Sure..
 
 Diatomaceous  earth,  according  to  wiki  is  used  for  pest  control  and  filtration  (not  aquarium  filtration).
 how  it  works  is,  it  absorbs  waxy  layer  from  body  of  pests,  and  dehydrates  them  to  death.
 
 source:  Wiki
 Link:  Diatomaceous  earth
 
 After  reading  a  bit  more  on  various  other  forums  I  came  across  this  
 
 Diatomaceous  earth  for  gardening  has  sharp  edges  not  like  the  powder  used  in  filtration.  It  gets  lodged  in  the  joints  of  insects  and  basically  suffocates  them  but  does  no  harm  to  the  white  worms.
 
 Few  other  hobbyist  performed  an  experiment  and  were  successful.  also  they  claim  that  results  can  be  seen  in  less  than  48  hours.
 Source:  Google  search  for  "Mites  in  white  worm  cultures"  go  to  first  link  
 or  click  here  Google  search
 
 Hope  this  helps,  may  be  someone  can  perform  experiment.
 I  just  started  my  culture  so  dont  want  to  risk  it  for  now.  I  also  have  Mites  Sad
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 Hi  guys  I  will  be  doing  experiment  on  my  culture  with  powder  i  got  from  nursery.  I  have  more  mites  than  ever...
 
 I  asked  guy  there  for  DE  powder,  then  told  him  that  i  have  coco  peat  with  earth  worms  in  it,  and  many  small  ant  like  bugs  (he  didn't  knew  mites)
 so  he  gave  me  this  powder  saying  it  is  "Bass  or  Brass  powder".  Its  very  fine  powder.
 but  he  was  not  sure  if  it  will  affect  earth  worms...will  let  you  guys  know  about  output.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 jjaaxx44  ...  while  you  looked  for  DE  did  people  understand  what  you  are  asking  for,  does  it  have  an  alternate  name  ...  I  read  in  a  forum  where  DE  was  successfully  used  to  eliminate  mites  in  48hrs  leaving  grindal  culture  alive  ...  I  am  looking  for  it  to  disinfect  my  grindal  culture  ...
 
 http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-advanced-newt-salamander-topics/f11-food-live-frozen-freeze-dried-pellets-etc/f16-white-grindal-worms-enchytraea/65511-mites-whiteworm-cultures.html
 
 MITICIDE  Paper  -  Though  i  haven't  tried  looking  for  miticide  paper  I  am  really  doubtful  people  will  understand  ...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 @AbhishekD:  
 
 I'm  not  sure  if  what  I  got  is  actually  a  DE  powder  or  something  else,  but  the  gardner  told  me  its  bass  or  brass  powder,  and  its  used  to  keep  ants  away  from  soil.
 
 Also  it  matches  the  characteristics  of  DE  powder,  that  is  DE  powder  is  very  fine,  but  again  talcum  powder  is  also  very  fine  Razz  
 
 I  got  it  for  20  Rs.  so  i  bought  it,  lets  see  if  it  kills  my  mites,  if  successful  i  will  upload  pic  of  it(but  I  highly  doubt  pic  will  help).
 you  can  check  at  your  local  gardeners/plant  nuseries  if  they  have  it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 Found  an  article  to  control  Mites  in  earthworm  beds.  It  lists  5  methods  of  mites  removal.
 
 http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Other/miteworm.html
 
 We  can  apply  the  methods  to  grindal  worm  culture  as  well.  Most  methods  may  be  know  to  most  of  us.  I  was  unaware  of  Method  3  and  it  is  do-able  without  a  sweat.  Will  try  and  see  whether  it  makes  a  difference.
 
 Regards,
 Abhishek
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 @AbhishekD:  
 Kool  will  read  it.
 Also  that  powder  did  not  work  Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: Re: White Worms Photo, Springtails and Tackling Mites Reply with quote

 That  was  quite  a  post,  Superbsite   Smile  
 
 I  saw  pics  of  Vanderhuezen's  Springtails  on  facebook  too,  and  havebeen  trying  to  notice  some  native  species  come  up  in  my  vi  cinity.  i  am  sure  htey  will  be  just  as  usefull....
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