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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 Found  following  piece  of  information  on  a  site....Reason  and  remedy  was  quite  convincing...thought  of  sharing..
 
 
       Hair  algae  has  absolutely  nothing  to  do  with  high  NO3  or  high  PO4.  Hair  algae  is  strictly  associated  with  poor  CO2.  My  tanks  always  have  super  high  NO3  and  PO4  and  they  never  get  hair  algae  –  until  something  goes  wrong  with  my  CO2.
 
       Just  because  you  are  adding  CO2  it  does  not  mean  that  you  are  adding  enough.  Do  not  fall  off  the  wagon.  Do  not  look  for  other  reasons.  Only  try  to  realize  the  truth.  Moss  is  a  low  light  plant,  so  when  you  pummel  it  with  high  light  it  suffers  more  than  other  plants  if  the  CO2  is  not  excellent.  Therefore  the  moss  is  telling  you  that  it  is  suffering  too  much  light  and  not  enough  CO2.  You  think  your  CO2  is  good  but  your  moss  disagrees.  At  the  end  of  the  day  it  doesn’t  matter  what  you  think,  it  only  matters  what  your  moss  thinks.
 
       Step  number  1  is  to  reduce  you  lighting  intensity  significantly  by  50%  if  possible.  This  will  reduce  the  environmental  pressures  on  the  moss.
 
       You  also  need  to  increase  your  CO2  levels  without  killing  your  fish.  If  this  cannot  be  accomplished  by  gas  injection  rate  increase  then  you  need  to  add  more  liquid  carbon  and  this  has  to  be  done  daily,  not  once  or  twice  a  week.  The  liquid  carbon  is  hostile  to  CO2  related  algae  and  at  the  same  time  it  delivers  CO2  to  the  plant.  You  can  use  the  bottle  recommended  daily  dosage  or  you  can  multiply  that  by  2X  or  3X  assuming  that  you  don’t  have  plants  that  respond  poorly  to  liquid  carbon  such  as  Riccia  or  liverworts/bladderworts  or  assuming  that  you  don’t  have  fauna  that  are  sensitive  to  liquid  carbon  such  as  some  shrimp.
 
       Increase  you  number  of  water  changes  per  week  for  a  few  weeks  if  this  is  possible.
 
       As  you  lower  the  growth  demand  via  reduction  of  the  light  intensity,  and  at  the  same  time  improve  the  available  CO2,  you’ll  find  that  the  mosses  and  other  plants  will  respond  positively  and  will  grow  faster.  The  hair  algae  will  subside.  Use  a  toothbrush  in  a  spiral  motion  to  remove  as  much  of  the  hair  as  you  can.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 Cold  water,  Medium  to  high  light,  current  in  the  water  (Regular  current  that  is  created  in  a  planeted  setup)   and  co2  is  more  than  enough  to  grow  moss.
 
 1.  Current  is  to  ensure  that  the  dirt  doesnt  settle  on  the  moss.  
 2.  Co2  ensure  that  the  algae  is  at  bay
 3.  Medium  to  highlight  will  ensure  that  the  moss  grows  the  way  it  should  and  not  like  scattered  fronts/thin  structure  etc
 
 And  also  once  in  a  way  please  try  and  dose  seachem  florish  excel.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 @  surya_niki..thank  you...points  noted....
 
 problem  is  highlight+C02+fish  load.....hard  to  strike  balance  between  them   Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 What  is  the  minimum  temperature  at  which  moss  can  live  and  grow  nicely   Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 An  update....I  am  able  to  fix  the  problem  i  had  with  moss...thanks  for  all  your  inputs  Rock On  
 
 My  tank  is  just  3  weeks  old  after  rescaping  and  i  started  with  EI  dosing  from  very  first  day....I  started  getting  algae  only  on  moss....
 
 Steps  taken  to  correct  the  issue..
 50%  water  change
 Stopped  dosing  fertilizer(No  liquid  fertilizer)
 Reduced  the  light  intensity  by  1WPG(earlier  3.6  now  2.6)
 Increased  C02(earlier  3BPS  now  8BPS)
 Introduced  Amano  shrimps  and  SAEs
 
 I  don't  find  any  sign  of  Algae  or  dirt  on  moss...it  looks  fresh  and  lush...and  pearls  constantly   Cheering
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 @  xargar...I  am  not  sure  about  lowest  temperature....moss  thrives  at  temperature  below  25C.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 aqua_2k,
 
 Moss  or  ferns  do  not  pearl.  The  Algae  on  them  do.
 
 Edit:  I  stand  corrected.  I  just  read  a  thread  by  Tom  Barr  who  says  moss  do  pearl  at  high  light  and  optimal  conditions.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

                                                   
aqua_2k  wrote  (View  Post):                

 
 I  dose  every  alternate  day  Macros  for  3  days..
 N  -->  5PPM
 P  -->  1PPM
 K  -->  7PPM
 Fe  -->  1PPM(daily)
                 

 
 Just  one  question...
 Isn't  Fe  supposed  to  be  0.1-0.2  ppm?  Or  am  I  understanding  something  wrong?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

 @  Nayak,
 
      I  did  notice  at  times  when  algae  on  moss  pearled  earlier   Sad  and  only  time  I  saw  few  plants  pearl  was  during  weekly  water  change.  But  now  I  see  anubias/ferns/crypts/moss/stem  plants  almost  every  plant  pearl  daily   Very Happy  
 
      I  think  i  have  hit  the  optimal  CO2  and  light  balance  in  my  tank  after  a  very  long  struggle  Smile  
 
 
 @  Athreyan  as  per  materials  and  calculators  i  used  to  calculate  dosing,  on  doing  EI  dosing  we  can  aim  for  Fe  @  .5  to  1ppm.  And  I  opted  to  go  for  max  since  i  had  red  plants...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Tips to maintain lush look of aquatic moss Reply with quote

                                                   
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@  Nayak,
 
      I  did  notice  at  times  when  algae  on  moss  pearled  earlier   Sad  and  only  time  I  saw  few  plants  pearl  was  during  weekly  water  change.  But  now  I  see  anubias/ferns/crypts/moss/stem  plants  almost  every  plant  pearl  daily   Very Happy  
 
      I  think  i  have  hit  the  optimal  CO2  and  light  balance  in  my  tank  after  a  very  long  struggle  Smile  ..                

 
 Good  for  you.  Patience  pays     Thumb Up  
 
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aqua_2k,
 
 Moss  or  ferns  do  not  pearl.  The  Algae  on  them  do.
 
 Edit:  I  stand  corrected.  I  just  read  a  thread  by  Tom  Barr  who  says  moss  do  pearl  at  high  light  and  optimal  conditions.
 
 Regards,                

 
 Tell  that  to  my  fissidens  !   Smile
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An  update....I  am  able  to  fix  the  problem  i  had  with  moss...thanks  for  all  your  inputs  Rock On  
 
 My  tank  is  just  3  weeks  old  after  rescaping  and  i  started  with  EI  dosing  from  very  first  day....I  started  getting  algae  only  on  moss....
 
 Steps  taken  to  correct  the  issue..
 50%  water  change
 Stopped  dosing  fertilizer(No  liquid  fertilizer)
 Reduced  the  light  intensity  by  1WPG(earlier  3.6  now  2.6)
 Increased  C02(earlier  3BPS  now  8BPS)
 Introduced  Amano  shrimps  and  SAEs
 
 I  don't  find  any  sign  of  Algae  or  dirt  on  moss...it  looks  fresh  and  lush...and  pearls  constantly   Cheering                

 
 If  the  Amano  shrimps  have  finished  the  algae  job  then  remove  them  from  your  tank  or  they  will  strip  your  mosses  to  shreds
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An  update....I  am  able  to  fix  the  problem  i  had  with  moss...thanks  for  all  your  inputs  Rock On  
 
 My  tank  is  just  3  weeks  old  after  rescaping  and  i  started  with  EI  dosing  from  very  first  day....I  started  getting  algae  only  on  moss....
 
 Steps  taken  to  correct  the  issue..
 50%  water  change
 Stopped  dosing  fertilizer(No  liquid  fertilizer)
 Reduced  the  light  intensity  by  1WPG(earlier  3.6  now  2.6)
 Increased  C02(earlier  3BPS  now  8BPS)
 Introduced  Amano  shrimps  and  SAEs
 
 I  don't  find  any  sign  of  Algae  or  dirt  on  moss...it  looks  fresh  and  lush...and  pearls  constantly   Cheering                

 
 If  the  Amano  shrimps  have  finished  the  algae  job  then  remove  them  from  your  tank  or  they  will  strip  your  mosses  to  shreds
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 mosses  grow  lush  green  in  below  25d  celcius  
 the  dirt  what  you  are  pointing  is  may  be  an  algae  because  3  wpg  is  too  high  for  moss  at  29degrees
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