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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:43 am Post subject: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Hello  everyone,
 
 Im  planning  to  get  a  couple  of  4  footers  made.  While  searching  for  sump  filters  I  came  across  the  following  links.  
 
 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174832
 Instead  of  painting  the  back  glass  I  think  a  black  opaque/tinted  glass  maybe  used.
 
 http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=3493
 Though  it  is  not  a  sump,  the  setup  is  looks  a  lot  simpler.  Instead  of  the  background  a  dark  opaque  glass  could  be  used.  Does  this  require  a  special  sponge  or  the  usual  household  one  will  do?  Can  other  media  like  scrubbers  or  ceramic  rings  be  used  additionally?
 
 I  find  the  conventional  sumps  (which  are  kept  below  the  tanks)  a  bit  riskier.  Also  I  want  to  utilise  the  space  for  keeping  another  tank.  
 Any  opinions/suggestions  would  be  appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 My  only  suggestion  would  be  to  increase  the  width  of  your  tank  so  that  cleaning  of  the  sump  part  would  be  easier  for  you.  I  cut  my  hand  once  when  trying  to  clean  my  overflow  box(similar  concept).  A  lot  of  people  do  it.  But  I  think  removing  the  media  would  be  a  bit  difficult  when  you  have  a  narrow  sump  on  the  back.  Also,  you  might  need  to  have  angular  joints  for  the  return  to  the  tank  since  your  tank  would  not  have  enough  circulation  with  horizontal  return  as  in  the  picture.  A  90  dg  or  60deg  joint  on  the  back  glass  might  do  your  job.  You  could  also  have  two  return  lines,  one  on  each  side  of  the  back  glass.  Might  be  someone  who  has  a  similar  setup  can  explain  more  of  their  experiences.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Hi,
 The  first  one  you've  shown  is  a  typical  in-tank  sump.  It  will  work  fine  as  long  as  you  have  a  large  enough  space  for  your  media.  Also,  you  will  need  a  powerful  enough  pump  as  you  plan  to  set  up  4ft  tanks.
 
 the  second  one  is  called  a  'Hamburger  matten  filter'.  Check  the  link  I've  given  you.  Jan  Rigter  has  done  some  indepth  study  on  this  kind  of  filter.  And  this  is  possibly  the  best  article  you  will  find  in  English  as  this  system  is  mostly  popular  in  Germany.  In  terms  of  filtration  I  feel  this  is  a  supreme  method.  Cheap,  efficient  &  less  maintenance.
 
 But  in  my  opinion,  the  HM  filter  is  for  smaller  tanks.  If  you  want  to  do  it  for  your  tank,  you  will  need  to  think  of  supporting  the  sponge  so  that  it  keeps  its  shape.  This  could  prove  to  e  quite  a  problem  in  the  long  run.
 
 Of  the  two,  go  for  the  in-tank  sump.
 
 By  the  way,  what  kind  of  tank  are  you  planning?  In  terms  of  livestock,  that  is.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Its  a  good  idea,  but  you  may  want  to  see  the  filtered  water  when  the  filter  is  realy  in  action.  
 
 PROCESS  IN  REAL  TIME  IS  THE  MOST  MOST  IMPORTANT  THING  TO  FOCUS  Knock  
 
   Chuckle   or  else,  we  all  put  the  gadgets  together  and  then  hide  the  results.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  replies  guys,   Very Happy  
 
 @cichlid_lover:  I  was  planning  for  total  width  of  2ft  for  the  tank  &  5-6  inches  width  for  the  sump.  Will  it  be  enough?  For  the  return  I  was  planning  for  a  PVC  spray  bar  sort  of  thing  instead  of  drilling  holes  in  the  glass.
 
 @Athreyan:  The  HM  filter  does  look  simple  &  efficient.  I  didnt  think  of  the  sponge  deforming  over  time.  
 In  terms  of  livestock  I  was  planning  for  smaller,  less  aggressive  cichlids  like  firemouths,  eartheaters  or  rams  depending  upon  the  ease  of  availability.  I  want  to  go  for  a  biotope  kind  of  setup  with  1  or  2  species.  Im  not  planning  for  a  planted  tank  as  of  now.
 
 @garothmaan:  Of  course  end  results  matter.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Yes,  believe  me  when  I  say  this.  The  hm  filter  is  amazing.  I  would  rate  it  second  to  a  sump  in  terms  of  filtration  and  first  in  terms  of  ease  of  maintenance.  Because  there  is  no  maintenance.  You  never  clean  out  the  sponge  until  you  redo  the  tank  or  maybe  once  in  18  months  or  so.  But  by  then  most  of  us  redo  our  tanks.  Also,  it  is  very  cheap  to  make.  it  is  practically  only  the  cost  of  the  sponge  and  a  power  head.
 
 You  could  still  make  it  if  you  plan  well.  You  will  need  to  make  braces  to  support  the  sponge  (which  will  actually  hike  up  the  cost  a  bit!).  Or  you  could  make  a  corner  filter  which  is  a  variant  of  the  original  design.  In  the  original  design  you  cover  an  entire  side/back  with  sponge.  In  the  corner  design,  you  cover  only  one  corner  by  bending  the  sponge  and  keeping  it  in  place  with  support.  you  could  also  make  it  at  two  corners.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter Reply with quote

 Can't  say  if  6  inches  will  be  enough  for  you.  Just  make  sure  you  can  get  your  hands  inside  to  do  the  cleaning.  spary  bar  would  do  the  trick  if  you  have  a  powerful  enough  pump.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Internal sump filter (pics) Reply with quote

 Finally  got  one  tank  made  with  the  in-tank  sump.
 Tank:52  x  18  x  20  inch  (LBH)  ~  75  gal
 Sump:  52  x  4  x  20  ~  15  gal
 Pump:  1100  lph  with  PVC  spray  bar
 
 Used  tinted  glass  for  the  sump  partitioning.  Sump  is  divided  into  4  equal  chambers.  
 Intake  is  through  a  2"  drilled  hole  about  3"  from  the  top  (should  have  gone  for  one  on  the  bottom  too).  
 Media  is  filter  floss  &  pot  scrubbies.  Seeded  the  tank  from  established  tanks;  currently  under  fishless  cycling.  
 Planning  to  add  a  powerhead  &  some  more  media  once  I  add  fish.
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