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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  am  from  Bangalore  and  a  late  entry  into  this  arena  of  aquarium  world  and  need  suggestions  to  set  up  a  good  aquarium  tank.  
 I  am  interested  in  setting  up  a  3  X  1.5  X  1.5  Ft  tank  with  a  good  substrate  to  grow   decent   planatation  inside  my  tank.  
 
 I  am  planning  to  get  the  tank  fitted  by  the  aquarium  shop  guy  next  to  my  house  and  I  first  want  to  start  with  the  substarte  to  be  used  as  a  bed  on  the  aquarium  which  will  support  good  growth  of  plants  and  at  the  same  time  not  effecting  the  fishes.
 
 I  have  gone  through  the  forum  and  there  are  several  multiple  layers  discussed  to  be  used  as  a  bed  and  not  sure  which  one  will  be  the  right  one  for  me  and  please  suggest  me  layers  which  use   materials  which  I  can  easily  procure  in  Bangalore  .  :-)
 
 Please  suggest  a  good  multiple  layer  bed  for  my  new  aquarium.
 
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 Prasanna  Kumar
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 I  would  suggest  ADA  Amazonia...  since  that  is  the  only  soil  that  I  have  used,  and  plants  grow  pretty  well...  you  would  also  need  to  couple  it  with  good  lighting.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 Thanks  for  the  quick  reply  and  how  many  inches  of  this  soil  shall  I  lay  on  the  bed  ?  Can  you  give  me  an  estimate  of  how  many  Kilos  will  I  require  for  3  X  1.5  X  1.5  Ft  tank.
 
 Any  other  bed  or  substrate  (  single  or  multiple  layer  )  suggestions  which  I  can  lay  as  I  have  a  low  budget.  :-)
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi  Prasanna,
 
 For  your  3feet  tank  it  will  take  2  to  3  9ltr  bag,  depending  upon  the  soil  thickness  you  want.
 Its  better  to  have  2.5  to  3  inch  thick  layer  at  the  back  and  1  to  1.5  at  the  front.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 ADA  Amazonia  9ltr  bag  costs  around  1800  rupees.  Contro  or  others  such  soil  also  are  in  the  same  price  range  when  i  checked  last.  However,  though  a  bit  expensive,  ADA  was  suggested  by  many.
 
 Can  the  flourite  be  used  in  one  layer  before  ADA  ?  that  red  granular  soil  (  I  guess  it  is  flourite)  costs  half  of  the  Amazonia  or  less  and  have  seen  many  nice  planted  tanks  in  this  forum  itself  with  that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 Thanks  for  your  quick  replies  :-)
 
 Seems  like  ADA  Amazonia  is  a  essential  substrate  and  can  it  be  combined  with  other  substrates  to  form  multiple  layers.  I  would  like  to  keep  the  same  3  inch  bed  size  and  combine  ADA  Amazonia  with  others  and  I  have  seen  that  multiple  layers  give  a  astonishing  look  from  outside.
 
 Flourite  :-  What  is  this  substance  and  can  we  get  it  in  Bangalore  and  how  does  it  look  ?  I  heard  about  laterite  in  the  forums  and  is  it  a  good  combo  with  ADA  Amazonia   ?  Any  other  combinations  ?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 @  Prasanna,
 
 If  you  are  using  ADA  Amazonia,  then  there  is  no  need  to  add  any  other  substrate  in  the  planted  tank.  ADA  Amazonia  is  well  enough  to  grow  all  plants.  So  please  dont  mix  any  other  substrates  with  ADA  Amazonia.
 
 Having  more  than  one  substrate  laid  on  top  would  look  like  a  sandwich  and  would  not  look  good  for  a  planted  tank.   Thumb Down   Thumb Down  
 
 Flourite  -  Its  a  substrate  from  Seachem  brand.  Google  it  for  more  information.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi  prasanna  welcome  aboard.
 
 I  am  also  having  a  similar  dimention  tank  that  you  plan  to  have  &  I  have  used  4  bags  of  ADA  amozonia  in  the  tank  to  get  height  right.
 
 Also  have  you  planned  on  what  you  want  to  grow...
 You  have  only  mentioned  a  "decent  plantation"  &  does  it  mean  a  low  tech  tank  or  a  high  tech  tank.   Do  you  plan  to  use  High  light,  CO2,  ferts  etc  or  want  to  keep  it  simpl  doing  DIY...
 
 The  reason  I  am  asking  this  is  that  the  experts  here  will  be  able  to  help  you  better.  Moreover  this  detail  will  also  help  you  to  budget  your  finances  for  this  project  better  since  you  have  mentioned  that  you  are  on  a  low  budget.
 
 I  can  suggest  you  two  things  only
 
 1)  read  a  lot  -  on  all  aspects  of  the  planted  tank
 2)  speak  to  the  ecperts  ,  better  still  go  for  the  sunday  meets  so  that  you  can  understsnd  better
 
 Also  read  about  using  Co2,  ferts,  types  of  planted  tanks  etc...will  save  you  a  lot  of  money  in  the  long  run.
 
 All  the  best...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 +1  Karthik  Nambiar.
 Before  you  go  out  &  buy  all  the  stuff  do  some  research.  I  think  what  you  read  about  layering  was  DIY  substrate.  DIY  substrates  are  the  cheaper  option  to  branded  substrate.  They  work  very  well.  The  only  downside  I've  experienced  is  that  growing  plants  with  small  root  systems  is  a  challenge  (not  impossible).
 what  you  do  with  DIY  substrate  is,  you  use  nutrient  rich  red/garden  soil  underneath  &  top  it  off  with  inert  river  sand.  the  river  sand  being  inert  poses  challenges  in  terms  of  growing  small  plants.  especially  the  fact  that  small  foreground  carpeting  plants  have  high  demands.  But  that  is  countered  with  water  column  fertilization.  Otherwise,  plants  are  healthy.  their  growth  is  good.
 
 also,  with  DIY  you  cannot  do  too  much  replanting,  as  pulling  out  plants  will  kick  up  soil  from  underneath.
 
 DIY  is  all  about  patience  and  care.
 
 On  the  flip  side,  branded  substrates  are  a  lot  easier.  You  can  grow  any  and  all  plants.  You  can  replant  as  &  when  you  like.  And  if  you  want  to  get  into  aquascaping,  then  this  is  the  path  to  take.
 
 Branded  substrates  are  usually  used  singly.  No  layering.  you  may  use  some  additives  at  the  bottom,  But  that  is  not  needed  or  mandatory.
 
 As  for  other  aspects,  plan  for  them  before  you  begin.
 
 First  decide  on  whether  you  want  to  go  high  tech  or  low  tech.  high  tech  is  high  amounts  of  light  complimented  with  CO2  injection,  fertilization  etc.  Low  tech  would  be  lower  light  with/without  or  low  CO2.  with  or  without  fertilization  etc.  The  high  tech  method  is  quick  growth  of  plants  which  comes  with  its  share  of  problems...  frequent  trimming,  cost,  extra  maintenance  etc.  Low  tech  is  slow  growth,  lower  maintenance  and  lower  overall  cost.
 
 after  deciding  on  the  'tech'  level,  you  can  plan  for  equipment...  lights,  CO2,  etc.
 
 filtration  is  another  important  aspect.  Never  compromise  on  getting  a  good  filter  with  good  media  &  flow  rates.  you  may  scrooge  on  any  other  aspects/equipment,  but  never  compromise  on  filtration.  A  good,  efficient,  reliable  filter  may  seem  expensive  at  first,  but  the  years  of  good  service  it  will  give  you  will  be  worth  it.
 
 You  don't  have  to  go  out  &  BUY  everything.  there  are  some  things  you  can  make  yourself.  there  are  things  you'll  get  good  deals  on  from  other  hobbyists.  you  can  look  out  for  second  hand  stuff.  what  I'm  saying  is,  don't  go  out  &  throw  cash  (unless  you  want  to!)
 
 now,  you  can  make  a  list  of  what  plants  you  would  like  and  what  plants  would  be  suited  to  your  tank  setup.  at  startup  itself,  plant  the  tank  densely.  This  will  avoid  a  lot  of  problems  eventually.  densely  means,  you  cover  atleast  80%  of  the  floor  area.  Again,  look  out  for  deals,  hobbyists'  sales/give-aways  etc.
 
 These  are  the  general  guidelines.  for  specifics,  get  back  to  the  forum  with  your  plan/idea  and  people  would  help  out  much  better.
 
 good  luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi  Prasanna,
 
 Would  like  to  share  my  experience  on  a  low  budget  tank.
 
 may  I  hav  eyour  contact  no?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Prasanna,
 Would  like  to  share  my  experience  on  a  low  budget  tank.
 may  I  hav  eyour  contact  no?                

 Why  Mahendran..  do  you  have  any  problem  sharing  it  here..  Eyebrow
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 what  filter  is  best  for  Planted  tank,  without  CO2  or  DIY  CO2  .Other  than  Canister  filters...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Other  than  the  best  is  second  best  Sanjay!   Very Happy   Just  some  dry  humour...
 
 Well  any  filter  is  fine  as  long  as  there  is  not  much  surface  agitation.  Internal  filter  used  with  the  spray  bar  attachment  will  be  good.  HOB  filters  are  also  good.
 
 IMO  second  best  would  be  internal  filters  with  spray  bar.  The  spray  bar  will  have  to  be  in  the  water  column.
 
 Sumps  have  50-50  reviews.  Some  say,  the  added  surface  are  of  the  sump  results  in  loss  of  CO2.  Some  say  it  doesn't  affect  much.
 
 What  you  can't  really  use  are  air  driven  filters  like  UGFs  &  sponge  filters.  These  will  lead  to  a  lot  of  surface  agitation  &  therefore  loss  of  precious  CO2.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 Hi  All,
 
 Thanks  for  overwhelming  responses  and  I  may  have  posted  my  question  too  early  without  much  reading  and  such  was  my  eagerness  to  get  into  the  business  straight  away  and  thanks  every  one  to  stop  me.   Smile  
 
 To  be  frank,  I  have  a  small  aquarium  with  17  gold  fish  in  a  relatively  small  tank  with  no  plantations  and  I  am  maintaining  it  since  2  years  now  thankfully  without  any  mortality  until  today  except  in  the  first  week  when  I  brought  this  aquarium.  I  see  the  fish  growing  and  want  to  have  a  new  home  for  them  with  some  planation  I  would  say  low  tech  tank  (  Karthik's  question  )  .  I  will  post  my  aquarium  pic  when  I  take  a  snap  today  after  going  home.  I  take  lot  of  care  and  spend  some  minutes  everyday  to  check  everything  is  right  and  always  see  that  the  water  is  clean.  The  2  years  word  might  distract  you  and  consider  me  as  a  experienced  hobbyist  but  not  true  I  am  still  a  na├»ve  person  to  this  field.
 
 In  my  younger  days  I  built  a  4  X  2  X  2  aquarium  and  was  an  instant  failure  as  there  was  not  much  information  available  during  those  days.  When  ever  I  go  home  I  still  see  the  glass  box  being  used  by  my  mother  for  storing  rubbish  materials  which  hurts  me.   :(
 
 I  have  no  idea  on  the  plant  names  people  use  in  this  forum  as  I  have  only  seen  them  in  pictures  and  at  aqua  shops  so  will  go  into  detail  next  and  my  preference  is  the  grassy  ones  on  the  floor  of  the  aquarium  looking  like  a  lawn  is  my  favorite  right  now.   :)
 
 I  want  to  go  very  slow  in  building  my  next  tank  3  X  1.5  X  1.5  after  I  conform  from  the  forum  at  every  little  decision  I  take  and  make  sure  that  I  am  going  in  the  right  path  .  I  am  planning  to  bring  the  new  aquarium  structure  home  by  end  of  next  week  and  thinking  only  about  the  substrate  right  now.
 
 DIY  substrate  /  Branded  substrate   -  As  I  understand  DIY  substrate  will  be  difficult  to  maintain  as  it  might  cloud  the  water  and  the  plant  growth  requires  lot  of  care  and  time  and  the  ready  made  solution  is  to  go  for  branded  substrates  but  is  costly  .  4  bags  of  ADA  will  cost  me  around  7K  and  are  there  any  other  substitute  branded  substrates  which  might  cost  me  less  may  be  around  3  K  ?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate for my new planned aquarium - BANGALORE Reply with quote

 whoa,  whoa!  stop  right  there!   Surprised   Surprised   Surprised  
 goldfish  &  planted  aquarium  is  VERY  tricky!
 Goldfish  love  to  eat  up  plants.  And  they  eat  any  &  all  plants  with  a  very  few  exceptions.
 Your  choice  of  plants  is  severely  narrow.  in  my  experience  with  golds  in  planted  tank,  you  can  keep  echinodorus  species,  anubias  &  java  ferns.  That's  it!  All  others  will  become  salad.
 
 And  for  these  species  of  plants  you  don't  have  to  get  expensive  amazonia.  Of  the  above  species,  only  echinodorus  needs  substrate,  the  other  2  will  grow  even  without  a  substrate.  No  need  of  any  CO2  or  even  ferts.
 
 Goldfish  are  a  different  ballgame  altogether.  So  again  do  some  research.  'look  before  you  leap'
 
 This  is  exactly  why  people  keep  singing  like  canaries  that  you  must  give  all  possible  facts  when  you  post  a  query.
 
 Anyway,  now  you  have  to  change  course.  wait  for  other  sugggestions...  you'll  get  some  that  smell  camphory!   ROFL  
 
   ROFL   ROFL   ROFL   more  on  that  later!
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