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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:15 pm Post subject: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reloaded with new pics on pg 2 Reply with quote

 Hi  friends  
 After  a  lot  of  failures  in  planted  tank  I  decided  to  try  another  one   Smile)  After  learning  and  recognizing  that  not  a  single  expert  aquascapist  (It  might  hurt  many  expert  aquascapists  but  its  a  truth)  will  reveal  their  secrets  I  decided  to  keep  it  simple-  Trial  n  Error  method.  So  this  thread  is  specially  for  the  hobbyist  who  are  struggling  like  me  or  a  super  failure  just  like  me   :ymhug:  So  this  tank  will  be  an  Uncertainty.  My  aim  is  simple  whatever  I  will  face  and  learn  ,  mistake  I  will  share  everything.  Lets  see  what  happens.  
 P.S  -  I  dont  have  a  digi-cam  so  tolerate  the  crappy  webcam  pics  for  time  being.
 
 Tank  Specs-  18"  (l)  x  12"(b)  x  14"  (h)  -  around  50  litres  
 Substrate-  Controsoil  2mm,  10  litre  bag  (brand  new  n  never  used)  
 Filter-  Eheim  2213  with  just  ceramic  rings  ,  sponge  as  filter  media  as  of  now.
 Lighting-  2  x  36  watt  PLL  (a  little  high  light)  with  commercial  fixture
 Cooling-  3  x  CPU  fans  
 CO2-  Pressurized  ,  Regulator-  ISTA  Acu  Dose,  sometimes  I  use  a  diffuser  n  sometimes  a  ISTA  CO2  turbo  reactor.
 Decorartion  -  Laterite  Rocks
 Fertilizers-  Seachem  Flourish,  Seachem  Flourish  Excel  ,  Lab  grade  K2SO4  and  KNO3  till  now,  I  will  get  Mg  n  K2hPo4  asap  and  Chelated  Iron.
 
 Plants-  I  wanted  some  easy  growing  plants  due  to  my  previous  failures  and  also  ordered  few  medium  n  difficult  level  plants.
 MICRANTHEMUM  "MONTE  CARLO"  
 HYDROCOTYLE  TRIPARTITA  "HONDA"  
 ELATINE  TRIANDRA
 LIMNOBIUM  LAEVIGATUM
 MICROCARPAEA  MINIMA
 SAGITTARIA  SP.  (DWARF)  
 STAUROGYNE  Sp.  PORTO  VELHO
 STAUROGYNE  REPPENS
 Frontinalis  antipyretica
 ROTALA  ROTUNDIFOLIA  “GREEN”
 ROTALA  ROTUNDIFOLIA  “PINK”
 LINDERNIA  ROTUUNDIFOLIA
 
 Started  on  2nd  August  and  6  days  past  till  date  no  diatoms  and  algae
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 Its  true  that  some  people  are  unwilling  to  share  secrets  but  it  is  mostly  the  fact  that  aquascaping  is  like  art.  You  can  be  told  what  a  makes  a  god  painting  but  it  is  up  to  you  to  select  the  materials,  postion,  think  how  the  plants  will  grow  etc
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

                                                   
Mortis  wrote  (View  Post):                
Its  true  that  some  people  are  unwilling  to  share  secrets  but  it  is  mostly  the  fact  that  aquascaping  is  like  art.  You  can  be  told  what  a  makes  a  god  painting  but  it  is  up  to  you  to  select  the  materials,  postion,  think  how  the  plants  will  grow  etc                

 +  Nirant
 
 Dear  Bedouin,  aren't  Eheim  2213  causing  excessive  water  flow  ?  why  are  you  dosing  seachem  excel  when  there's  pressurized  co2  setup?
 get  Micro  nutrients-  CSM+B  although  you  got  flourish
 
 switch  to  dry  or  liquid  mix  dosing,  refer-http://calc.petalphile.com/  to  calculate  as  per  your  needs
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 Bedouin,   don't  worry.   I  have  mostly  learnt  about  fish  keeping  and  scaping  from  this  forum.   There  are  several,  very  helpful  experts  around  here.   Dig  up  old  forums,  check  youtube  vidoes  and  as  Mortis  says,  scaping  is  an  art  -  you  look  for  inspirations  and  do  your  own  stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 Its  a  good  tank,  what  fails  you  generalyl?  mostly  its  the  trimming  which  fail  everyone.
 
 the  scape  YOU!  dont  like  or  the  scape  people  dont  like?  :)
 
 Yes...  its  true,  just  getting  all  the  stuff  and  arranging  is  easy  but  it  should  stay  like  that  for  atleast  a  year.
 
 Now...  people  get  bored  in  a  few  months  looking  at  it.  
 
 Later  the  growth  spoils  everything  and  then  trimming  plants  againg  looses  everything  and  then  regrowth  again  shifts  the  scene.
 
 The  seceret  is,...  after  arranging  the  scene,....  it  should  look  as  it  was,  even  after  trimming,  regrowth,  dying  and  replant.  
 
 consistency  of  keeping  the  "scene"  is  the  key  factor.
 
 Like  for  example,  trimming  sagitaria  grass,  
 
 if  you  cut  one  of  the  over  grown  grass(trim)  the  leaves  will  look  straight  cut  and  not  pointed,  new  leaves  will  come  god  knows  when,  the  growth  will  be  uneven  for  weeks.  so  cut  all  of  them.....  even  if  its  a  small  one  keep  the  level.
 
 similarly  rotala  also,  sow  the  top  cut  onse  besides  the  cut  onse.
 
 thats  how...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 There  is  no  secret  in  maintaining  a  planted  tank!!!!
 
 There  is  no  secret  ingredient  people  use  to  grow  plants!!!!
 
 Its  all  depends  on  how  you  maintain  your  planted  tank.  The  basic  things  to  have  a  good  planted  tanks  are:
 
 >  A  good  fertile  substrate
 >  Good  fertilization
 >  Good  CO2
 >  Good  lighting
 
 There  is  no  secret  formula  in  making  a  DIY  fertilizer.  All  information  related  to  making  DIY  fertilizer  is  open  in  Internet.  You  need  to  choose  the  right  method  to  prepare  the  DIY  ferts  based  on  your  requirement.  If  you  are  having  pressurized  CO2  and  very  good  lighting  only  then  you  can  go  for  EI  method.  Or  else,  you  will  have  serious  algae  issue.  EI  method  is  used  only  when  you  can  consistently  feed  30ppm  of  CO2  and  high  lighting.  Since  EI  method  is  a  way  in  which  you  dose  more  fertilizer  than  what  the  plants  require,  you  need  to  satisfy  the  above  mentioned  points.
 
 In-consistency  of  CO2,  fertilizer  or  Light  cause  the  algae  issue.  Its  not  that  if  you  use  all  highly  branded  stuffs  that  you  will  not  have  algae.  You  will  still  have  algae  if  you  dont  maintain  the  balance  between  CO2/Light  and  Fertilizer.
 
 See  where  you  have  failed.  Try  to  rectify  that  first.  Then  you  will  be  able  to  keep  a  good  planted  tank.
 
 And  finally,  your  tank  is  only  18"  and  you  are  having  12  varieties  of  plants  in  the  tank!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 Yup..  the  secrete  is  ...  there  is  no  secrete!!
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 Even  if  everyone  revealed,  it  wouldn't  be  a  secret,  would  it?  We  all  learn  that  "secret"  by  trial  and  error.  Whatever  stuff  you  need  is  either  on  IAH  or  on  the  net.  As  the  comments  above  read,  use  good  stuff  in  your  tank  and  dedicate  time,  you  will  learn  out  of  it  and  get  good  results.  
 
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 Hi  guys  Smile  sorry  for  being  late  ....in  replying  I  cant  believe  that  Josyjames  alias  Shelly  replied  in  my  thread  Smile   Cheering  becoz  he  is  the  DIY  legend   Thumb Up  
 what  I  meant  here  as  secrets  are  tips  and  tricks  .....there  are  many  small  tips  ....which  seems  minor  but  works  awesome  ...but  most  of  the  people  do  not  share  them  ....thats  what  i  felt....anywayz  
 This  site  is  one  of  my  inspiration  .....
 
 I  have  some  doubts  right  now  ....
 
 rotala  rotundofolia's  seems  to  act  like  weeds  and  they  are  infested  like  plague   Cheering  I  just  love  it  ....already  trimmed  and  again  re-planted  them  as  they  were  going  out  of  the  water  in  just  a  week.  i  donno  if  my  trimming  was  good  but  cant  help  it  
   Sagitaria  dwarf  is  also  growing  fine  though  it  has  gave  some  yellow  leaves  ...and  rotten  ones  but  the  roots  are  well  digged  inside  the  substrate.  so  not  worried
 Lindernia  Rotundofolia  out  of  10  stems  3/4  stems  are  growing  well  rest  were  melted  from  the  bottom  .....i  mean  the  bottom  part  of  the  substrate....so  i  pulled  them  up  and  again  cut  the  lower  part  and  replanted  them......is  that  a  right  way  ?
 Elatine  Tiandra  and  Monte  Carlo  -  mostly  melted  ....few  stems  are  healthy....monete  carlo  is  still  struggling  .....so  worried.
 Staurogyne  repens  and  porto  velho-  both  the  plants  leaves  are  dying  or  melting  .....i  saw  a  glimpse  of  new  leaves  too  .....is  that  a  normal  thing  ...i  mean  the  transformation  phenomenon  or  ....they  are  really  dying  ???  can  seachem  Excel  be  a  cause  of  that  ??
 Microcarpea  Minima-  this  species  was  suppose  to  be  a  indian  one  .  hardy  too  ....but  came  in  a  bad  state  ...still  struggling......
 H.  Honda-  is  fine  growing  slowly  .....i  guess  its  fine  ....
 Now  my  questions  are  -  There  is  no  algae,  the  controsoil  is  brand  new.....am  dowing  only  KNO3  and  K2SO4  5ml/500ML  bottle  as  per  EI  method,  CO2  is  around  4bps  through  a  CO2  turbo  reactor  ......  I  donno  it  its  30ppm  ....but  seems  to  be  enough  in  a  18  icnhes  tank...50  ltr  capacity.
 also  dosing  seachem  flourish  once/twice  1ml/week  and  Flourish  Excel(liquid  carbon)  1ml/day....
 SO  can  it  be  a  cause  of  the  dying  or  melting  of  the  l;eaves  ????  or  its  just  the  transformation  thing  ???  Algae  is  still  under  control  ......  just  a  lil  slimy  stuffs  .....till  in  hand  ...its  under  control   Rock On  ....can  i  do  something  for  monte  carlo,  staurogyne  repens  etc   or  i  just  need  to  wait  for  some  more  time  ......??
 
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 Shri_novice-  am  not  just  using  EHEIM  2213....also  a  hang  on  back  and  a  Internal  Power  Filter  for  flow  ....the  Eheim  2213  is  fed  through  a  CO2  reactor  so  the  speed  get  checked....not  a  problem  Smile
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 Tank  on  29th  day  after  before  3rd  trimming  
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Reply with quote

 Good  growth  of  plants....   Thumb Up  
 
 Do  you  have  any  photo  after  the  trimming  of  plants?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Pic Added Reply with quote

 Wow  nice  growth  of  plants..  Smile  
 
 Cheers,  
 
 Karthik
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Pic Added Reply with quote

 BedouinJoy,  
 
 As  many  experts  here  have  replied  to  you  before,  there  is  not  a  single  thing  remained  as  a  secret  for  growing  plants  under  water.  In  fact  there  is  one  relief,  you  don't  have  to  water  these  plants.   Very Happy  
 
 Regarding  your  tank,  the  growth  is  going  good.  Congrats!!!
 
 Though  people  here  are  available  to  help  you  out,  in  my  opinion,  every  tank  behaves  independently  irrespective  of  the  guidelines  followed.  So  you  have  to  learn  by  yourself,  looking  at  the  response  shown  by  your  plants  for  the  conditions  you  are  providing.  May  be  I  hurt  you  with  this  statement  but  sorry  for  this  if  I  hurt  you.  I  do  not  mean  to  do  so....  
 
 Regarding  the  tank  specs,  I  guess  you  are  providing  too  much  of  CO2,  you  can  make  it  even  1  BPS  and  see  to  it  that  you  are  able  to  utilize  all  gas  that  is  diffused  in  water.  if  almost  all  the  gas  is  escaping  out,  no  point  even  if  you  increase  the  flow  further.  
 
 One  Suggestion  I  would  like  to  give  you,  when  you  are  little  skeptical  regarding  the  plants  growth  or  you  do  not  have  enough  experience  with  you,  it's  better  to  start  with  the  plant  species  that  are  hardy  to  keep.  At  least  you  save  on  potential  loss.  if  you  have  experience  &  confidence,  Go  ahead  and  make  a  nice  scape.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Uncertainty (Planted Tank) Pic Added Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 maybe  below  sites  may  help  you
 
 http://www.aquariumplants.com/Articles.asp?ID=111
 
 http://www.ukaps.org/forum/forums/tutorials.34/
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