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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:23 am Post subject: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  recently  fell  headlong  into  this  wonderful  world  of  fishes.
 I  have  a  33  gallon  tank,  with  a  Fluval  C2  HOB  filter.  This  tank  and  filter  together  were  properly  cycled,  and  ready  for  fishes  last  sunday.
 I  had  cycled  it  using  some  fish  food,  and  it  is  showing  0  ppm  ammonia,  down  from  2  ppm  added.
 It  is  also  showing  a  PH  of  6.8-7.  I  have  added  some  rock  salt  to  the  water  before  adding  it  to  the  tank
 
 I  have  housed  10  young  pink  zebra  danios,  5  snakeskin  guppies,  5  endlers.
 
 The  thing  is,  the  water  has  become  cloudy.  This  could  be  due  to  new  tank  syndrome.
 
 However,  to  feed  these  tiny  fishes,  I  require  to  crush  the  pellet  food,  else  the  .5mm  pellets  cannot  be  eaten  by  any  of  the  fish.  After  the  eating  is  done,  some  of  the  uneaten  food  settles  at  the  bottom,  and  could  have  given  rise  to  a  bacterial  boom.  Also  I  saw  a  few  white  -  grey  fibre  like  strands  growing  from  the  sunken  food.  Fearing  a  fungal  attack  (could  be  white  /  grey  algae),  I  vacuumed  it  using  a  battery  powered  gravel  siphon.  But  this  added  to  the  cloudiness  of  the  water,  and  though  the  gravel  is  90%  gunk  free,  the  cloudiness  persists.
 
 I  tried  a  25%  water  change  with  further  salt  dosing,  but  to  no  avail.
 The  cloudiness  reduced  to  a  certain  degree  after  some  hours  of  heavy  filtration,  but  has  not  completely  gone  away.  It  looks  like  wisps  of  cloud  /  fog  have  descended  in  the  tank.
 
 All  through  this,  the  fishes  are  relatively  very  active,  and  do  not  show  any  of  the  obvious  signs  of  stress.  They  are  also  playing  with  the  gunk  that  occasionally  float  upwards.  All  fishes  are  eating  and  moving  properly.
 
 My  question  is:
 What  is  the  white  /  grey  stuff  growing  from  sunken  food?  since  I  have  added  salt  about  1  tsp  /  10  gallons,  could  it  be  fungus?  I  heard  that  fungus  does  not  grow  in  salty  fresh  water.  Is  that  correct?
 
 
 I  am  now  planning  to  do  a  50%  water  change  and  remove  all  the  gravel.  Will  guppies  +  endlers  +  danios  live  well  in  a  bare  bottom  tank?  Will  remove  and  keep  50%  water  in  a  tub,  keep  fishes  in  it.  Remove  gravel,  clean  tank,  and  add  fishes  and  that  water  minus  settled  gunk,  back  into  bare  bottom  tank.  This  way,  the  sunken  food  can  also  be  eaten  by  the  fishes.  I  have  a  few  decorations,  such  as  a  big  arc  bridge,  which  I  plan  to  keep  in  the  bare  bottom  tank.
 
 If  I  plan  to  keep  larger  rounded  pebbles  as  the  substrate,  I  plan  to  get  a  bottom  feeder  catfish  such  as  a  dwarf  pleco  or  an  oto,  however  I  have  heard  that  they  do  not  like  salt  in  their  water.  Is  that  correct?
 
 What  advice  can  the  more  experienced  members  give  me  to  make  this  water  condition  better,  and  to  keep  my  teeny  tiny  pets  safe?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 i  have  experienced  cloudy  water  in  the  initial  satge  of  this  hobby  ,  as  u  have  figured  it  out  it  is  a  bacterial  bloom.  I  think  your  tank  isnt  cycled  yet,  since  u  r  using  rock  salt  it  would  have  also  killed  the  beneficial  bacteria....  change  a  good  amount  of  water  and  feed  the  fishes  one  time  a  day  that  too  in  enough  quantities.....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 UPDATE:  Since  I  siphoned  the  gunk  off  the  gravel,  and  cleaned  the  filter  sponge  (was  also  clogged  with  uneaten  fish  food),  the  cloudiness  has  diminished  rapidly.
 
 As  Prejith  has  said,  I  believe  that  the  beneficial  bacteria  may  have  been  overwhelmed,  if  not  destroyed.  If  beneficial  bacteria  have  been  killed,  then  ammonia  levels  may  rise  /  spike,  correct?  The  tank  is  understocked,  and  as  per  my  understanding,  gupies  +  endlers  +  young  zebra  danios  would  not  put  that  much  of  a  bio-load  on  the  system.  So  detecting  ammonia  levels  will  be  difficult.  I  do  not  have  nitrate  and  nitrite  test  kit  /  chemicals,  so,  I  will  do  a  15-25%  water  change  with  fresh  rock  salt  dosed  water  this  sunday,  to  control  the  pH.
 
 Right  now  the  pH  is  slightly  acidic,  6.7  -  6.8.  I  have  tested  this  using  laboratory  grade  pH  test  strips,  outside  the  aquarium.  Ammonia  test  is  done  using  Nessler's  reagent,  using  a  test  tube,  and  a  dropper  for  drawing  water.  Should  I  add  some  water  squeezed  from  an  established  tank's  filter  (a  friend's  tank's  internal  filter  which  has  cichlids)?
 
 Will  adding  some  sort  of  catfish  like  Plecos  or  Otos  fix  the  issue  of  sunken  food?  Will  they  co-habit  with  the  smaller  fish,  or  will  it  stress  out  one  or  more  of  these  species?  Will  the  added  rock  salt  cause  some  stress  /  problems  for  the  catfish?
 Could  you  experienced  people  recommend  any  bottom  dweller  /  bottom  feeder  which  will  fit  well  into  a  small  fish  community  tank  with  salt  dosed  water?  
 
 I  am  planning  to  add  a  small  internal  filter  (small  size  and  low  Lph)  to  negate  the  minor  water  current  which  is  currently  caused  by  the  waterfall  from  the  Fluval  C2  HOB  filter  (this  is  mounted  on  the  narrow  side  of  the  tank,  and  not  on  the  broader  rear  side,  so  the  current  happens  from  one  end  of  the  tank  to  the  other,  kinda  like  an  infinity  symbol).  Any  recommendations  /  counter  recommendations  on  this  move?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 I  am  a  newbie  myself  bu  here  are  my  2  cents  based  on  experience:
 Otos  are  not  a  good  choice  as  bottom  feeding  fish  IMHO.  Mine  mostly  linger  on  the  glass  and/or  plants  and  come  down  only  to  munch  on  the  algae  wafers  they  manage  to  find  every  now  and  then.
 
 If  you  are  looking  for  scavengers  to  get  rid  of  excess  food,  you  may  consider  corydoras  or  a  few  RCS.  Again,  RCS  are  particular  about  water  conditions,  so  you  might  want  to  add  them  after  you're  done  cycling.  Snails  are  also  a  good  option  if  you  can  manage  them  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 RCS  with  guppies  is  another  big  issue,  since  there  is  not  much  cover  for  the  shrimp  to  hide  from  the  guppies.  I  also  do  not  have  a  person  at  home  24x7  to  keep  the  fish  well  fed  round  the  day.  I  feed  them  thrice,  twice  in  the  day,  and  once  at  night.  So,  if  they  get  hungry,  the  shrimp  will  be  history  even  before  you  can  say  RCS.  Will  need  planted  tank   for  keeping  RCS.
 
 Yes,  Otos  are  a  bit  of  a  hassle  to  feed  and  care  for,  as  per  my  reading,  so  dwarf  cory  cats  /  dwarf  plecos  are  the  only  option  for  the  bottom  feeding  part.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 First  and  foremost,  why  are  you  adding  Rock  Salt  to  the  tank????
 
 Salt  is  not  required  for  a  fresh  water  tank.
 
 Plecos  or  Otos  are  not  bottom  feeders.  You  need  to  have  cories  for  that  purpose.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

                                                   
josyjames  wrote  (View  Post):                
First  and  foremost,  why  are  you  adding  Rock  Salt  to  the  tank????
 
 Salt  is  not  required  for  a  fresh  water  tank.
 
 Plecos  or  Otos  are  not  bottom  feeders.  You  need  to  have  cories  for  that  purpose.                

 Thank  you  for  your  reply  josyjames,  however  I  was  advised  by  breeders  and  hobbyists  alike,  to  use  a  certain  amount  of  rock  salt.
 
 I  get  local  gram-panchayat  water,  which  is  exceedingly  soft,  has  had  no  chlorine  treatment,  and  the  quality  of  which,  i  am  unsure  of.  It  is  used  after  settling  it  in  a  tub  to  remove  any  SPM.  So,  one  reason  is  to  ensure  a  certain  amount  of  hardness  of  the  water.  Also  to  prevent  fungus  and  other  unwanted  infections  arising  from  the  sunken  food,  and  other  surfaces.  The  dosage  is  like  a  tight  handful  for  130  liters.
 
 I  also  do  have  access  to  a  borewell,  however,  the  issue  is  that,  this  borewell's  water  is  too  hard.  I  mean,  when  we  used  to  boil  it  in  steel  vessels  for  drinking,  the  vessels  used  to  get  a  thick  layer  of  calcium  deposits.  This  could  cause  pH  to  increase  rapidly.
 
 Thus  I  prefer  to  use  extremely  soft  water  and  make  it  a  bit  harder  using  some  rock-salt.
 
 And  since  corys  do  not  like  salt,  this  is  another  conundrum.
 
 I  do  remember  reading  a  number  of  threads  on  IAH,  online  elsewhere,  about  adding  some  rock-salt  to  fresh  water,  as  also,  many  fresh  water  aquarists  swear  by  rock  salt  additions  for  fish  health.  Of  course  for  fish  which  can  bear  a  certain  amount  fo  salt.
 
 I  mean,  yes,  I  get  your  point,  a  fresh  water  aquarium  should  not  have  any  salt.  I  have  read  many  threads  and  articles  about  this  as  well.  However,  how  else  do  I  keep  the  fishes  safe  from  fungii  and  other  parasites  like  the  ich  /  fluke?
 
 
 UPDATE:  20-24  hrs  after  vacuuming  the  gravel,  the  water  is  now  crystal  clear.  I  guess  the  sunken  food  was  causing  too  much  bacterial  bloom.  Ammonia  is  0  ppm,  PH  has  stabilized  at  7.  There  is  a  layer  of  fine  foam  near  where  the  water  from  the  filter  falls  back  into  the  tank,  and  its  not  going  away.  The  stagnant  water  smell  has  also  diminished,  though  I  might  have  to  replace  /  re-activate  the  activated  carbon  to  fix  the  smell.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 And  yes,  I  have  read  more  online,  and  asked  a  couple  of  "experts"  about  salt  in  freshwater  aquariums,  and  have  decided  to  stop  using  it.  I  shall  do  regular  water  changes  so  that  the  fish  will  gradually  adjust  to  lesser  and  lesser  salt,  and  then  use  none.
 
 Could  you  recommend  any  stress  coat  medication,  or  additives  to  help  the  fish  if  no  salt  is  added?
 
 Do  corydoras  live  well  with  small  fish  such  as  guppies  and  endlers  and  baby  zebra  danios?
 If  so,  do  any  one  of  you  have  any  baby  dwarf  corydoras  to  sell?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 Zebras  and  guppies  are  hard  fish,  I  had  them  both  in  my  tank  for  years  before  being  active  in  this  hobby.  don't  worry  about  any  infections  or  diseases  give  good  filtration  and  maintain  the  water  quality,  they  will  be  fine
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

                                                   
netherwinterknights  wrote  (View  Post):                
And  yes,  I  have  read  more  online,  and  asked  a  couple  of  "experts"  about  salt  in  freshwater  aquariums,  and  have  decided  to  stop  using  it.  I  shall  do  regular  water  changes  so  that  the  fish  will  gradually  adjust  to  lesser  and  lesser  salt,  and  then  use  none.
 
 Could  you  recommend  any  stress  coat  medication,  or  additives  to  help  the  fish  if  no  salt  is  added?
 
 Do  corydoras  live  well  with  small  fish  such  as  guppies  and  endlers  and  baby  zebra  danios?
 If  so,  do  any  one  of  you  have  any  baby  dwarf  corydoras  to  sell?                

 
 Hi,
 
 You  should've  bought  a  canister  filter  for  125  liter  tank  a  cheap  one  like  sunsun  should  cost  you  less  than  fluval  c2,  Anyhow  for  cloudy  water  use  Activated  carbon  it  will  clear  in  a  day  hope  it  comes  with  the  filter  but  try  to  add  little  more  or  use  seachem  purigen  will  clear  the  water  in  1  hour  max  and  these  will  remove  any  impurities  also,  feed  less  food  sounds  like  you  are  feeding  more  thats  why  you  see  leftover  food  in  the  bottom,  use  salt  only  in  quarantine  tank  that  too  after  treating  with  medication  after  that  you  need  to  treat  with  salt  and  then  put  back  in  your  tank  and  add  some  dechlorinator  with  slime  coat  to  protect  your  fish  from  any  infection  seachem  prime  is  good  don't  worry  mainly  fish  get  infected  when  you  add  new  fish  so  select  a  good  LFS  store.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with new tank! Cloudy water + Reply with quote

 Hi  Vivian  Andrew,
 
 Yes,  a  canister  filter  would  have  made  more  sense.  The  best  canister  filter  brand  is  eheim,  and  they  cost  a  bomb.  A  HOB  filter  saves  space  and  is  less  complex.  However,  I  did  ask  around  on  this  forum,  and  made  the  decision  to  buy  the  Fluval  C2  accordingly.
 
 I  did  see  a  couple  of  members  wanting  to  sell  used  eheim  canister  filters,  however  they  were  far  out  of  this  city.  I  am  looking  forward  to  upgrading  to  a  canister  filter  such  as  the  eheim  2213,  if  I  can  find  it  in  used  but  good  condition,  and  at  an  affordable  price.  However,  this  will  be  a  couple  of  months  down  the  line.
 
 The  Fluval  C2  does  a  great  job  of  keeping  the  water  clean,  and  it  has  currently  cleared  up  the  water  very  nicely  after  that  disastrous  bacterial  bloom.  I  just  had  to  vacuum  the  gravel  to  control  /  prevent  the  amount  of  bacteria  being  produced  in  the  water  due  to  sunken  food.
 
 Currently  looking  to  procure  a  small  school  of  pygmy  or  panda  Cory  Cats  to  fix  the  sunken  food  issue.
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