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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

 HI  Every  one
 
 This  is  vishal  here,I  have  been  keeping  fishes  for  a  few  years.I  have  spent  a  lot  of  time  in  IAH  for  the  last  few  weeks  looking  for  a  very  low  tech  planted  setup..
 
 Tank  Dimension  -  30L*12W*15H
 Filter  -  Internal  power  filter  from  a  local  fish  shop
 CO2  -  no  Co2
 No  ferts
 Light  is  a  20W  F20t10  tube  light  from  hitachi  sourced  from  the  fish  shop.
 substrate  -  mixture  od  some  golden  sand  and  some  gravel  and  5  kg  of  red  river  sand
 
 
 Guys  I  want  to  setup  a  very  low  tech  planted  setup(a  very  very  tight  budget).
 I  have  seen  people  getting  lush  growth  with  the  low  light  no  co2  no  ferts  setup
 
 I  have  read  about  the  Diana  walstad  method,Tom  Barr  method  also  Sudeep  mandal  method.Will  i  be  able  to  get  the  growth  with  this  setup  and  withe  the  above  mentioned  tank  properties
 
 I  was  planning  on  the  following  plants
 
 Echinodorus  tenellus
 Hygrophila  difformis
 Cabomba  caroliniana  -  green
 Rotala  rotundifolia  'Green'
 LUDWIGIA  PERENNIS/  GLANDULOSA
 ALTERNANTHERA  SP.  BURGUNDY  
 LUDWIGIA  ARCUATA
 Cardamine  (Cardamine  lyrata)
 Rotala  rotundifolia  Pink
 Ceratophyllum
 Red  Cabomba
 DIDIPLIS  DIANDRA
 Hydrilla
 
 Will  i  be  able  to  grow  these  plants.Also  if  people  can  suggest  a  few  other  plants  for  my  setup
 
 
 Currently  i  Have  following  fishes
 
 Mollies  -  3  
 2  platy  (part  black  part  golden)  dont  know  the  name  pleas  ID  it
 3  zebra  danios  pink  colow
 1  sucker  fish
 
 If  i  have  to  do  a  rescape  What  do  i  do  with  the  fishes  as  i  dont  have  other  tank.
 
 Also  whenI  do  a  water  change  i  lose  a  fish  or  two  .frequency  30%weekly..
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

 You  are  my  twin  brother?
 
 Remove  sucker  fish.
 
 Golden  sand  is  ok,  but  remove  the  gravel.  Insteal  can  you  slowly  insert  garden  mud?  if  you  can  then  do  so.
 
 the  soil  level  seems  a  little  low,  increase  the  river  sand  and  use  a  DIY  Co2  (Yeast+Sugar+water)
 
 Buy  a  sponge  filetr  and  keep  running  it  in  the  tank  to  develop  bacteria  cycle.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

                                                   
garothmaan  wrote  (View  Post):                
You  are  my  twin  brother?
 
 Remove  sucker  fish.
 
 Golden  sand  is  ok,  but  remove  the  gravel.  Insteal  can  you  slowly  insert  garden  mud?  if  you  can  then  do  so.
 
 the  soil  level  seems  a  little  low,  increase  the  river  sand  and  use  a  DIY  Co2  (Yeast+Sugar+water)
 
 Buy  a  sponge  filetr  and  keep  running  it  in  the  tank  to  develop  bacteria  cycle.                

 
 Why  should  you  advice  a  beginner  like  him  to  introduce  garden  mud  in  his  tank?  Go  for  quartz  gravel.  Also,  kindly  research  a  lot  before  dosing  co2  in  your  tank  diy  style.
 The  choice  of  fish  is  limited  in  your  case  since  you  have  a  small  tank.  Introduce  some  hardy  fishes  like  rosy  barbs,  tiger  barbs  etc...  Best  of  luck  Smile  Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

                                                   
hrishi007  wrote  (View  Post):                

 Why  should  you  advice  a  beginner  like  him  to  introduce  garden  mud  in  his  tank?  Go  for  quartz  gravel.  Also,  kindly  research  a  lot  before  dosing  co2  in  your  tank  diy  style.
 The  choice  of  fish  is  limited  in  your  case  since  you  have  a  small  tank.  Introduce  some  hardy  fishes  like  rosy  barbs,  tiger  barbs  etc...  Best  of  luck  Smile  Smile                

 
 He  is  not  a  beginer,  he  has  read  a  few  books
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

 Cabomba  is  a  no-no.  Try  plants  like  Vallisneria,  crypts,  java  fern  and  dear  old  anubias.  Don't  bother  with  diy  Co2,  causes  lot  of  algae.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

 Also  construction  sand  is  okay.  Free  of  cost  and  easy  to  get.  Plants  grow  fairly  well  in  it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:38 am Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

 Firstly,  your  plant  list  is  too  long  for  your  tank  size.
 
 These  plants:
 
 >  LUDWIGIA  PERENNIS/  GLANDULOSA  
 >  ALTERNANTHERA  SP.  BURGUNDY  
 >  Red  Cabomba  
 >  DIDIPLIS  DIANDRA  
 
 are  difficult  to  grow  without  CO2  and  fertilizer  and  good  substrate.  I  would  suggest  you  to  not  to  choose  these  plants  unless  you  will  having  a  good  fertile  substrate,  co2  (atleast  DIY)  and  fertilizers.
 
 20Watts  light  is  too  less  to  grow  plants  that  you  have  chosen.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: First time in a Planted setup - Need a lot of help Reply with quote

                                                   
josyjames  wrote  (View  Post):                
Firstly,  your  plant  list  is  too  long  for  your  tank  size.
 
 These  plants:
 
 >  LUDWIGIA  PERENNIS/  GLANDULOSA  
 >  ALTERNANTHERA  SP.  BURGUNDY  
 >  Red  Cabomba  
 >  DIDIPLIS  DIANDRA  
 
 are  difficult  to  grow  without  CO2  and  fertilizer  and  good  substrate.  I  would  suggest  you  to  not  to  choose  these  plants  unless  you  will  having  a  good  fertile  substrate,  co2  (atleast  DIY)  and  fertilizers.
 
 20Watts  light  is  too  less  to  grow  plants  that  you  have  chosen.                

 
 
 So  How  much  more  light  do  i  Add.Do  i  remove  the  current  light  and  add  1  36W  pll   or  do  i  keep  the  20  w  light  and  add  1  more  36  w  Pll  ot  do  i  add  2  36  w  Pll??
 
 I  have  decieded  for  a  DIY  CO2  (Direct  me  to  the  easiest  way  please).I  am  thinking  of  connecting  it  to  my  power  filter  inlet.
 but  i  am  worried  abt  the  yeast  mixure  getting  sucked  in  because  of  the  force..
 
 Can  you  also  list  the  plants  that  is  should  be  using  also  the  quantity  that  i  should  buy  for  each  plant  type
 
 I  will  also  buy  more  river  sand
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