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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:48 pm Post subject: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 hi  guys,
 I  want  to  establish  co2  setup.  I'm  bit  confused  about  the  things  like  solenoid  valve,  pressure  guage,  needle  valve  that  all  these  are  really  essential  or  not,  i  wish  to  run  co2  only  for  few  hours  a  day.  So  it  is  necessary  to  use  solenoid  ??  Ordinary  controller  could  replace  solenoid  ???  As  my  budget  is  very  low  so  i  am  trying  to  minimize  the  expense  by  avoiding  unnecessary  things.  Experts  please  guide  !!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 Solenoid  is  basically  for  Automation!!
 
 Instead  of  manually  opening  the  Regulator  to  set  the  required  bubble  count,  you  can  attach  a  Solenoid  to  the  regulator  (in  this  case  Regulator  is  OPEN  always  with  the  desired  bubble  count)  
 
      -  when  you  Switch  ON   the  Solenoid,  the  Co2  gets  released  by  it.
      -  when  you  Switch  OFF  the  Solenoid,  the  Co2  gets  arrested  by  it.
 
 Pressure  Gauge  -  is  part  of  the  Regulator,  which  is  attached  to  it.  So  its  not  a         
                                        separate  component  to  be  considered
 
 Needle  Value        -  is  part  of  the  Regulator  again
 
 So  all  together  you  need  to  have  very  good  Co2  Regulator  for  your  Co2  Cylinder.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

                                                   
pxk587  wrote  (View  Post):                
Solenoid  is  basically  for  Automation!!
 
 Instead  of  manually  opening  the  Regulator  to  set  the  required  bubble  count,  you  can  attach  a  Solenoid  to  the  regulator  (in  this  case  Regulator  is  OPEN  always  with  the  desired  bubble  count)  
 
      -  when  you  Switch  ON   the  Solenoid,  the  Co2  gets  released  by  it.
      -  when  you  Switch  OFF  the  Solenoid,  the  Co2  gets  arrested  by  it.
 
 Pressure  Gauge  -  is  part  of  the  Regulator,  which  is  attached  to  it.  So  its  not  a         
                                        separate  component  to  be  considered
 
 Needle  Value        -  is  part  of  the  Regulator  again
 
 So  all  together  you  need  to  have  very  good  Co2  Regulator  for  your  Co2  Cylinder.
 
 Thanks,
 Mohan                

 
 Mohan
 As  regulator  alone  is  sufficient  to  control  the  flow  (on-off/fast  slow)  so  no  need  to  attach  solenoidsolenoid,  isn't  it  ?
 I  have  lpg  lamp.  Could  i  use  it  as  co2  cylinder  by  detaching  upper  lamp  section  ??
 
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 @  Kapil,
 
 You  are  risking  yourself  and  your  family  by  using  the  LPG  tank  for  pressurized  co2.  Those  tanks  are  not  meant  for  pressurized  gases.
 
 You  need  proper  pressurized  CO2  cylinder.  
 
 These  are  the  basic  things  required  to  set  a  pressurized  CO2  setup.
 
 >  Cylinder.  2  or  5kg  depending  upon  your  budget.
 >  Regulator  (Single  stage  or  Dual  stage).  Single  stage  is  far  more  sufficient
 >  Solenoid.  Only  if  you  need  to  switch  off  the  CO2  during  the  night  time.
 >  Needle  Valve.  To  regulate  the  flow  in  terms  of  bps.  As  Mohan  mentioned  needle  valve  is  not  part  of  regulator.  You  need  to  separately  purchase  a  needle  valve.
 >  Bubble  counter.  Not  mandatory.  You  can  dip  the  co2  tube  inside  the  tank,  check  and  set  the  bps  and  then  connect  the  diffuser  to  the  outlet  tube.
 >  Non-return  valve.  To  make  sure  that  the  water  does  not  enter  the  regulator.
 >  Diffuser.  To  diffuse  CO2  to  the  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 Yes  Co2  Regulator  alone  is  enough  to  answer  your  question.
 
 are  you  referring  to  LPG  cylinder,  if  yes  no  its  should  not  be  used  to  fill  Co2  gas.  You  may  use  Co2  cylinder  form  the  market/Co2  based  fire  extinguisher  if  you  get  one.
 
 Wait  for  the  experts  to  clarify  further.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

                                                   
josyjames  wrote  (View  Post):                
@  Kapil,
 
 You  are  risking  yourself  and  your  family  by  using  the  LPG  tank  for  pressurized  co2.  Those  tanks  are  not  meant  for  pressurized  gases.
 
 You  need  proper  pressurized  CO2  cylinder.  
 
 These  are  the  basic  things  required  to  set  a  pressurized  CO2  setup.
 
 >  Cylinder.  2  or  5kg  depending  upon  your  budget.
 >  Regulator  (Single  stage  or  Dual  stage).  Single  stage  is  far  more  sufficient
 >  Solenoid.  Only  if  you  need  to  switch  off  the  CO2  during  the  night  time.
 >  Needle  Valve.  To  regulate  the  flow  in  terms  of  bps.  As  Mohan  mentioned  needle  valve  is  not  part  of  regulator.  You  need  to  separately  purchase  a  needle  valve.
 >  Bubble  counter.  Not  mandatory.  You  can  dip  the  co2  tube  inside  the  tank,  check  and  set  the  bps  and  then  connect  the  diffuser  to  the  outlet  tube.
 >  Non-return  valve.  To  make  sure  that  the  water  does  not  enter  the  regulator.
 >  Diffuser.  To  diffuse  CO2  to  the  tank.                

 
 Thanks  shelly  for  preventing  from  doing  silly  mistake.
 Could  you  please  give  the  approx  price  for  the  equipments  u  mentioned.  
 Also  give  the  address  from  which  i  could  obtain  same  things  cheaply.
 Whether  i  can  stop  the  CO2  at  night  without  solenoid  (by  means  of  regulator  only  -  manual  operation)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 You  can  use  a  Ball  valve  for  stopping  co2  at  night.  See  picture.  Its  pretty  cheap.  I  turn  it  on  and  off  along  with  the  lights.
 
 Use  a  brass  needle  valve.  it  looks  a  bit  bulky  but  gets  the  job  done.  te  smaller  compact  ones  are  flow  controls  and  not  needle  valves  and  are  harder  to  set.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

                                                   
Preeths  wrote  (View  Post):                
You  can  use  a  Ball  valve  for  stopping  co2  at  night.  See  picture.  Its  pretty  cheap.  I  turn  it  on  and  off  along  with  the  lights.
 
 Use  a  brass  needle  valve.  it  looks  a  bit  bulky  but  gets  the  job  done.  te  smaller  compact  ones  are  flow  controls  and  not  needle  valves  and  are  harder  to  set.                

 
 Thanks  alot  preeths  for  pictures.
 Please  mention  the  price  for  the  equipments  in  your  setup.
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 The  cost  of  manual  ball  valve  with  additional  plug  in  type  end  connections  together  will  not  be  low.  You  can  find  a  solenoid  valve  with  the  thread  connection  that  will  match  with  the  o/p  of  the  gas  regulator.  Other  side  of  the  solenoid  you  can  connect  the  quick  release  adapter   for  the  tube  with  micro  flow  adjusting  valve.  in  this  way,  the  manual  needle  valve  can  also  be  eliminated.  
 
 If  you  plan  to  make  the  light  switch  ON/  OFF  automatically  using  the  timer,  you  can  easily  add  the  solenoid  valve  in  the  circuit.  In  this  way  the  controlling  will  become  completely  automated  and  aligned  with  the  photo  period.  
 
 Initial  cost  for  the  automation  using  solenoid  and  timer  board  will  be  more,  but  since  this  hobby  is  like  addiction   Thumb Up  ,  the  investment  pays  off  very  quickly.
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The  cost  of  manual  ball  valve  with  additional  plug  in  type  end  connections  together  will  not  be  low.  You  can  find  a  solenoid  valve  with  the  thread  connection  that  will  match  with  the  o/p  of  the  gas  regulator.  Other  side  of  the  solenoid  you  can  connect  the  quick  release  adapter   for  the  tube  with  micro  flow  adjusting  valve.  in  this  way,  the  manual  needle  valve  can  also  be  eliminated.  
 
 If  you  plan  to  make  the  light  switch  ON/  OFF  automatically  using  the  timer,  you  can  easily  add  the  solenoid  valve  in  the  circuit.  In  this  way  the  controlling  will  become  completely  automated  and  aligned  with  the  photo  period.  
 
 Initial  cost  for  the  automation  using  solenoid  and  timer  board  will  be  more,  but  since  this  hobby  is  like  addiction   Thumb Up  ,  the  investment  pays  off  very  quickly.                

 
 I  beg  to  Differ,  the  Ball  valve  costs  about  140  and  the  end  connectors  27  each.  so  you  can  DIY  the  CO2  setup.  with  Ball  valve.
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The  cost  of  manual  ball  valve  with  additional  plug  in  type  end  connections  together  will  not  be  low.  You  can  find  a  solenoid  valve  with  the  thread  connection  that  will  match  with  the  o/p  of  the  gas  regulator.  Other  side  of  the  solenoid  you  can  connect  the  quick  release  adapter   for  the  tube  with  micro  flow  adjusting  valve.  in  this  way,  the  manual  needle  valve  can  also  be  eliminated.  
 
 If  you  plan  to  make  the  light  switch  ON/  OFF  automatically  using  the  timer,  you  can  easily  add  the  solenoid  valve  in  the  circuit.  In  this  way  the  controlling  will  become  completely  automated  and  aligned  with  the  photo  period.  
 
 Initial  cost  for  the  automation  using  solenoid  and  timer  board  will  be  more,  but  since  this  hobby  is  like  addiction   Thumb Up  ,  the  investment  pays  off  very  quickly.                

 
 
                                                 
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The  cost  of  manual  ball  valve  with  additional  plug  in  type  end  connections  together  will  not  be  low.  You  can  find  a  solenoid  valve  with  the  thread  connection  that  will  match  with  the  o/p  of  the  gas  regulator.  Other  side  of  the  solenoid  you  can  connect  the  quick  release  adapter   for  the  tube  with  micro  flow  adjusting  valve.  in  this  way,  the  manual  needle  valve  can  also  be  eliminated.  
 
 If  you  plan  to  make  the  light  switch  ON/  OFF  automatically  using  the  timer,  you  can  easily  add  the  solenoid  valve  in  the  circuit.  In  this  way  the  controlling  will  become  completely  automated  and  aligned  with  the  photo  period.  
 
 Initial  cost  for  the  automation  using  solenoid  and  timer  board  will  be  more,  but  since  this  hobby  is  like  addiction   Thumb Up  ,  the  investment  pays  off  very  quickly.                

 
 I  beg  to  Differ,  the  Ball  valve  costs  about  140  and  the  end  connectors  27  each.  so  you  can  DIY  the  CO2  setup.  with  Ball  valve.                

 
 Thank  to  both.  Right  now  i'm  not  economically  capable  to  install  pressurized  co2  setup.  I  was  failed  to  produce  co2  effectively  and  long  lasting  during  my  first  attempt  (  i  think  it  was  due  to  ready  made  packed  yeast  in  granular  form  which  might  be  expired).  But  this  time  i  have  used  Baker's  yeast  n  mixture  producing  co2  with  good  flow  rate   Cheer   The  hope  are  increased  about  planted  tank.  
 I  have  query,  why  co2  setup  are  kept  at  lower  level  with  respect  to  tank   ??  Is  there  any  logic  behind  this  ?   Should  i  keep  the  DIY  co2  bottle  in  slightly  upper  level  with  reference  to  tank  ?  So  that  the  need  of  check  valve  will  be  eliminated.  Also  i  wish  to  diffuse  co2  through  internal  an  internal  filter,  so  it  won't  need  a  separate  diffuser.  
 Please  comment  briefly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 baking  soda  and  citric  acid  co2  is  all  the  rage  right  now.  see  if  you  can  DIY  that.  Lots  of  you  tube  videos  describing  the  procedure
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 In  Mumbai  the  solenoid  is  available  @  300  Rs,  Plus  you  can  eliminate  the  manual  brass  valve  by  using  the  tube  adapter  come  micro  flow  regulator  at  outlet  of  Solenoid  valve.  This  can  become  a  more  compact  solution  so,  the  long  tubing  can  also  be  avoided.  
 
 IMO  this  just  another  solution.  The  decision  can  differ  based  on  preference.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 Thanks  guys  again  but  what  about  logic  to  keep  co2  setup  below  or  at  same  level  with  tank  ?  Sad   Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Essential things for CO2 setup Reply with quote

 With  a  pressurised  setup  the  level  really  does  not  matter.  Use  a  check  valve  to  prevent  eater  flowing  into  the  co2  setup
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