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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:41 pm Post subject: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Hi  everyone,
 from  my  DIY  co2  i'm  thinking  to  upgrade  to  Automated  CO2  setup.  Experienced  hobbyist  please  guide  related  to  following  issues  :--
 1)  how  solenoid  valve  works?
 2)  Will  the  setup  need  bubble  counter,  check  valve,  diffuser?etc  If  decided  not  to  use  bubble  counter  then  how  to  decide  flow  rate  in  terms  of  BPS?  I  have  seen  many  pressure  gauge  rated  at  psi.
 3)  how  long  single  gauge  is  effective?  Means  there  is  any  need  of  dual  type?  Finally  a  more  important,  what  are  standard  size  of  gauge  (like  diameter,  length?)  for  use  of  aquarium  point  of  view,  do  they  come  along  with  different  size?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Hi  Kapil..
 1)  how  solenoid  valve  works?  
 
 buy  a  solenoid  which  works  on  AC  220V  50Hz..  It  opens  when  power  is  given  to  it  and  closes  when  the  supply  is  cutoff.
 
 2)  Will  the  setup  need  bubble  counter,  check  valve,  diffuser?etc  If  decided  not  to  use  bubble  counter  then  how  to  decide  flow  rate  in  terms  of  BPS?  I  have  seen  many  pressure  gauge  rated  at  psi.  
 
 you  can  buy  diffuser  which  comes  along  with  bubble  counter  like  Ista  3in1  diffuser.  you  will  need  atleast  2  check  valves  to  stop  the  water  from  tank  entering  in  to  the  cylinder  regulator.  Don't  worry  about  the  PSI  and  other  stuff.  
 
 3)  how  long  single  gauge  is  effective?  Means  there  is  any  need  of  dual  type?  Finally  a  more  important,  what  are  standard  size  of  gauge  (like  diameter,  length?)  for  use  of  aquarium  point  of  view,  do  they  come  along  with  different  size?
 
 Better  buy  a  dual  gauge  regulators  from  welding  supplies  shops.  no  need  to  worry  about  the  gauge  size  and  length,  they  are  already  standardized.  and  you  will  have  to  buy  a  needle  valve  to  control  the  final  out  put..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Kapil..
 1)  how  solenoid  valve  works?  
 
 buy  a  solenoid  which  works  on  AC  220V  50Hz..  It  opens  when  power  is  given  to  it  and  closes  when  the  supply  is  cutoff.
 
 2)  Will  the  setup  need  bubble  counter,  check  valve,  diffuser?etc  If  decided  not  to  use  bubble  counter  then  how  to  decide  flow  rate  in  terms  of  BPS?  I  have  seen  many  pressure  gauge  rated  at  psi.  
 
 you  can  buy  diffuser  which  comes  along  with  bubble  counter  like  Ista  3in1  diffuser.  you  will  need  atleast  2  check  valves  to  stop  the  water  from  tank  entering  in  to  the  cylinder  regulator.  Don't  worry  about  the  PSI  and  other  stuff.  
 
 3)  how  long  single  gauge  is  effective?  Means  there  is  any  need  of  dual  type?  Finally  a  more  important,  what  are  standard  size  of  gauge  (like  diameter,  length?)  for  use  of  aquarium  point  of  view,  do  they  come  along  with  different  size?
 
 Better  buy  a  dual  gauge  regulators  from  welding  supplies  shops.  no  need  to  worry  about  the  gauge  size  and  length,  they  are  already  standardized.  and  you  will  have  to  buy  a  needle  valve  to  control  the  final  out  put..                

 
 Thanks  bro.
 Do  it  is  recommended  to  have  specifically  3  in  1  diffuser(with  bubble  counter)??
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Yes,  if  want  to  do  away  with  bubble  counter..
 you  can  also  visually  see  the  co2  flow  in  the  narrow  tube  part  of  the  glass  diffuser  also..  can  count  the  bubbles  as  they  escape  from  the  glass  tube  to  the  diffuser  main  body  internally..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 If  i  would  like  to  go  with  only  cylinder  with  valve  (controller)  n  diffuser  will  it  do?  I  want  to  run  it  24*7  at    2  BPS    is  it  safe?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Hi  Kapa,
 
 Its  up  to  you  how  you  wanna  setup  even  you  can  buy  everything  separate  and  can  assemble  one  by  one.
 cylinder->regulator  with  solenoid  or  not->flow  control->check  valve->bubble  counter->inline  diffuser  or  glass  or  plastic  diffuser  or  reactor
 but  you  need  a  regulator  so  better  go  for  dual  stage  regulator   price  comes  1400-2000  only  and  better  buy  bubble  counter  and  diffuser  separate.  below  link  is  a  regulator  with  flow  control  just  for  your  reference.
 
 without  solenoid
 http://www.ebay.in/itm/Aquatic-Venturez-CO2-Regulator-Dual-Gauge-Planted-Aquarium-Goods-/161690071733?hash=item25a57ab2b5:g:uV4AAOSwBahVQd8L
 
 with  solenoid
 https://umino.in/24-aquarium-co2-systems-for-sale-umino-online-chennai-india.html
 
 http://aquabynature-shop.com/33-co2-kits
 
 regulator  you  can  buy  separate  from  any  welder  trading  shop  for  700-1200rs   and  you  can  assemble  it.
 
 Regarding  24*7  don't  do  it  which  is  total  waste
 
 your  plants  will  consume  co2  at  the  time  of  photosynthesis  only  and  it  will  release  co2  at  night  time  which  is  a  overkill  for  the  poor  little  fish  babies  so  don't   do  that  and  again  you  gonna  waste  co2  unnecessarily  better  go  with  solenoid  co2  with  timer  so  no  worries  at  all.  one  time  investment  but  life  time  you  will  be  happy  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

                                                   
Andrew  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hi  Kapa,
 
 Its  up  to  you  how  you  wanna  setup  even  you  can  buy  everything  separate  and  can  assemble  one  by  one.
 cylinder->regulator  with  solenoid  or  not->flow  control->check  valve->bubble  counter->inline  diffuser  or  glass  or  plastic  diffuser  or  reactor
 but  you  need  a  regulator  so  better  go  for  dual  stage  regulator   price  comes  1400-2000  only  and  better  buy  bubble  counter  and  diffuser  separate.  below  link  is  a  regulator  with  flow  control  just  for  your  reference.
 
 without  solenoid
 http://www.ebay.in/itm/Aquatic-Venturez-CO2-Regulator-Dual-Gauge-Planted-Aquarium-Goods-/161690071733  hash=item25a57ab2b5:g:uV4AAOSwBahVQd8L
 
 with  solenoid
 https://umino.in/24-aquarium-co2-systems-for-sale-umino-online-chennai-india.html
 
 http://aquabynature-shop.com/33-co2-kits
 
 regulator  you  can  buy  separate  from  any  welder  trading  shop  for  700-1200rs   and  you  can  assemble  it.
 
 Regarding  24*7  don't  do  it  which  is  total  waste
 
 your  plants  will  consume  co2  at  the  time  of  photosynthesis  only  and  it  will  release  co2  at  night  time  which  is  a  overkill  for  the  poor  little  fish  babies  so  don't   do  that  and  again  you  gonna  waste  co2  unnecessarily  better  go  with  solenoid  co2  with  timer  so  no  worries  at  all.  one  time  investment  but  life  time  you  will  be  happy  Smile                

 Thanks  Andrew.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Hello:
 
 You  can  also  opt  for  a  complete  kit  from  ISTA  which  has  everything  you  need  in  one  package  itself.  It  comes  with  a  a  dual  timer  to  control  your  co2  and  lights  as  well.  With  this  kit  you  won't  have  to  buy  anything  else.
 
 http://aquabite.tk/shop/plants/accesories/ista-1l-co2-aluminum-cylinder-set-professionalface-up/
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 Please  suggest  amongst  Glass  diffuser  &  ceramic  diffuser  which  is  best  suited  in  long  for  pressurized  CO2  ?  Tank  size  24"L12"B15"H
 Which  is  most  effective  &  maintenance  free  ???
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Please  suggest  amongst  Glass  diffuser  &  ceramic  diffuser  which  is  best  suited  in  long  for  pressurized  CO2  ?  Tank  size  24"L12"B15"H
 Which  is  most  effective  &  maintenance  free  ???                

 there  is  nothing  like  "glass  diffuser"
 its  same  ceramic  that  is  used  for  diffusers.  I  would  suggest  you  to  go  for  ISTA  UFO  diffuser,  as  it  is  built  to  last  long  as  its  made  of  plastic.  
 
 Diffuser  with  NRV+Bubble  counter  will  look  too  big  in  your  tank  IMO,  so  you  ll  need  to  get  them  separately,  i.e.  non-return-valve  and  bubble  counter.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Please  suggest  amongst  Glass  diffuser  &  ceramic  diffuser  which  is  best  suited  in  long  for  pressurized  CO2  ?  Tank  size  24"L12"B15"H
 Which  is  most  effective  &  maintenance  free  ???                

 there  is  nothing  like  "glass  diffuser"
 its  same  ceramic  that  is  used  for  diffusers.  I  would  suggest  you  to  go  for  ISTA  UFO  diffuser,  as  it  is  built  to  last  long  as  its  made  of  plastic.  
 
 Diffuser  with  NRV+Bubble  counter  will  look  too  big  in  your  tank  IMO,  so  you  ll  need  to  get  them  separately,  i.e.  non-return-valve  and  bubble  counter.                

 Thanks  saikumar
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 Going  for  co2  9kg  (<  9kg  is  not  available  at  my  place)  cylinder.  My  doubt  is  whether  it  is  mandatory  to  use  check  valve(NRV)  ?
   I  don't  think  because  using  9kg  cylinder;  the  outlet  of  which  will  be  sufficiently  above  the  tank  level  (water  surface)  so  it's  not  possible  for  water  to  go  reverse  in  pressure  gauge.  
 But  had  read  a  article  which  stated  that  water  may  go  reverse  in  pressure  gauge  or  cylinder  if  check  valve  is  not  installed  due  to  CAPILLARY  ACTION  is  it  really  possible??
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

 For  a  tank  of  this  size,  diffuser  is  a  good  option  otherwise  inline  reactors  are  best.  However  in  a  small  tank  a  good  reactor  can  cause  problems  as  even  a  small  change  in  gas  output  can  cause  large  flucuations  in  co2  levels.
 Get  a  regulator  which  is  double  stage,  double  stage  and  double  gauge  are  different.  I  gave  a  good  link  few  days  ago,  please  search  for  it.
 A  NRV  is  needed,  when  gas  stops  reverse  pressure  will  pull  the  water  in  regulator,  the  regulators  are  not  built  to  handle  liquid  and  they  start  to  get  faulty.
 As  it  is  small  tank,  inline  glass  diffuser  are  best  they  have  a  very  small  signature.
 I  use  these  for  my  smaller  tanks,  for  bigger  tank  there  is  nothing  better  than  a  reactor.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Want to upgrade with Automated CO2 Reply with quote

                                                   
sandeepraghuvanshi  wrote  (View  Post):                
For  a  tank  of  this  size,  diffuser  is  a  good  option  otherwise  inline  reactors  are  best.  However  in  a  small  tank  a  good  reactor  can  cause  problems  as  even  a  small  change  in  gas  output  can  cause  large  flucuations  in  co2  levels.
 Get  a  regulator  which  is  double  stage,  double  stage  and  double  gauge  are  different.  I  gave  a  good  link  few  days  ago,  please  search  for  it.
 A  NRV  is  needed,  when  gas  stops  reverse  pressure  will  pull  the  water  in  regulator,  the  regulators  are  not  built  to  handle  liquid  and  they  start  to  get  faulty.
 As  it  is  small  tank,  inline  glass  diffuser  are  best  they  have  a  very  small  signature.
 I  use  these  for  my  smaller  tanks,  for  bigger  tank  there  is  nothing  better  than  a  reactor.                

 Thanks  sandeep  for  rectifying  my  point  about  NRV.  Unfortunately  i  have  placed  order  for  dual  gauge  hope  it  will  also  do  good  job.  As  of  now  decided  to  go  with  DIY  diffuser  using  cigarette  filter  will  upgrade  to  glass  diffuser.
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