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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 @  Preetham,
      Do  you  remember  when  I  came  to  your  place  for  picking  up  the  CSB-B,  I  asked  suggestions  regarding  tips  stunting  of  rotala  and  hygrophila.  And  also  some  plants  were  also  not  growing  straight  up,  but  they  were  growing  like  they  were  fore  ground  plants  creeping  on  the  substrate.
 After  trying  every  thing  like  increasing  the  CO2,  dosing  extra  fertilizers,  cleaning  of  canister  filter,  water  changes  etc..  in  the  end  nothing  seemed  to  work.
    So  thought  hard  and  thought  that  the  only  thing  remaining  is  the  light..
 The  specs  of  the  light  was..
 10  Cree  XML  on  two  rows  driven  at  1500ma  driver,  which  means  they  were  driven  at  half  of  their  capacity.  So  50w  of  total  light.
 I  had  used  60  degree  lenses  on  each  of  them,  and  was  mounted  at  an  height  of  8  inches  from  the  water  surface.
 I  decided  to  remove  the  lenses  first..  and  found  some  improvement  in  growth  pattern.
 Then  I  increased  the  distance  of  light  to  15  inches  from  water  surface,  there  was  a  drastic  positive  growth  in  all  plants.
 And  all  the  deficiencies  and  stunting  were  gone.
 I  didn't  change  any  of  the  other  parameters  worth  mentioning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Thanks,  Nidhi....  now  to  try  something  similar  in  one  of  my  tanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Hello  Preetam,  Srinidhi,
 
 Sorry  about  lots  of  questions,  I  just  don’t  wanna  mess  up  with  my  aquarium  again.  I  know  there  are  many  blogs  and  articles  around,  but  just  want  to  get  your  views.
 
 My  aquarium  is  all  set  and  its  2nd  day,  here  are  pictures.  
 
 
 
 
 
 Fishes:
 
 Just  6  from  my  old  tank,  no  plans  to  add  until  aquarium  is  stabilized.
 3  Glowlight  Tetra
 1  red  eye  tetra
 1  Otocinclus
 1  Albino  shrimp
 
 Plants  in  my  aquarium:
 
 Tissue  cultured:
 1. Ludwigia  repens  super  red
 2. Rotala  sp.  Nanjenshan
 3. Rotala  rotundifolia  HRA
 4. Ludwigia  inclinata  var.  verticillata  'cuba'
 5. Myriophyllum  mini  Guyana
 6. Rotala  rotundifolia  green
 7. Staurogyne  sp.  Kerala
 8. Lilaeopsis  novae  zelandiae
 
 From  my  old  setup:
 9. Cryptocoryne
 10. Monte  Carlo
 11. Peacock  moss
 12. Windelov  Fern
 
 I  am  following  as  below:
 
 1. Change  30%  water  every  alternate  days  for  next  2  weeks  and  then  30%  water  change  every  week.
 2. No  fertilizers  for  next  3  weeks  and  after  3  weeks(My  aquarium  has  about  85~90  ltrs  of  water  excluding  substrate,  wood,  rock)  
 (1/16  tbs  KNO3,  ¼  tbs  K2SO4)  thrice  a  week
   1/16  tbs  KH2PO4  once  a  week
 3. Keeping  CO2  –  3  bubbles  per  seconds,  I  start  CO2  2  hours  before  switching  lights  on  and  turn  off  CO2  -  2  hours  before  switching  light  off.
 4. Lights  reduced  to  50%  brightness  which  translates  to  32  watts  power  (aquarium  looks  dim  though)
 5. Photoperiod  4  hours  +  4  hours,  break  of  2  hours  in  between.  (10  am  to  2  PM  ~  4  PM  to  8  PM)
 
 Observations:
 
 1. Cloudy  water,  I  hope  its  expected  behavior  with  ADA  Amazonia?
 2. Dirt  on  leaves,  will  it  promote  algae?
 3. NO  pearling  at  all,  I  am  concerned  since  earlier  plants  use  to  peal  with  75%  brightness.
 4. Anything  required  for  RED  plants?  Iron?
 
 Also  forgot  to  mention  that  I  used  ADA  substrate  additive  mix  at  the  base  of  aquarium  before  laying  eco  complete  layer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Lovely  tank  Thumb Up  
 
 I  will  follow  this  thread,  because  I  want  to  see  how  the  substrate  works.  ADA  soils  have  to  undergo  a  lot  of  water  changes  I  have  read.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Nicely  done..
            But  my  advice  is  that  the  diffuser  must  be  positoned  at  the  opposite  side  of  the  canister  outlet,  so  move  the  diffuser  to  the  inlet  side  or  move  the  filter  outlet  to  the  opposite  side.
 
 1. Change  30%  water  every  alternate  days  for  next  2  weeks  and  then  30%  water  change  every  week.  
             Better  do  every  day  30%  water  change  for  next  2  weeks.
 2. No  fertilizers  for  next  3  weeks  and  after  3  weeks(My  aquarium  has  about  85~90  ltrs  of  water  excluding  substrate,  wood,  rock)  
             After  3  weeks  dose  only  potassium  based  fertilizer  for  a  couple  of  month  and  then  depending  on  the  plant  requirement  start  regular  fertilization.
 3. Keeping  CO2  –  3  bubbles  per  seconds,  I  start  CO2  2  hours  before  switching  lights  on  and  turn  off  CO2  -  2  hours  before  switching  light  off.  
             No  problem  here..
 4. Lights  reduced  to  50%  brightness  which  translates  to  32  watts  power  (aquarium  looks  dim  though)
             Our  visual  spectrum  and  the  spectrum  plants  needs  are  different,  so  a  dim  light  might  have  relatively  good  spectrum  for  plants  and  a  bright  light  may  not  have  any  beneficial  spectrum  for  plants..  hope  you  got  the  point.
 5. Photoperiod  4  hours  +  4  hours,  break  of  2  hours  in  between.  (10  am  to  2  PM  ~  4  PM  to  8  PM)  
             No  issues  here  as  well..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Observations:  
 
 1. Cloudy  water,  I  hope  its  expected  behavior  with  ADA  Amazonia?  
             Thats  normal,  it  will  clear  up  with  time  and  water  changes..
 2. Dirt  on  leaves,  will  it  promote  algae?  
             Better  clear  that  dirt  by  any  means  required,  it  can  attract  algae..
 3. NO  pearling  at  all,  I  am  concerned  since  earlier  plants  use  to  peal  with  75%  brightness.  
             Pearling  is  related  to  oxygen  saturation  in  the  tank  because  of  photosynthesis.  doesn't  mean  that  there  is  no  photosynthesis  if  pearling  is  absent.
 4. Anything  required  for  RED  plants?  Iron?  
              Time  will  tell..  wait  out  the  initial  stages..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Thank  you  so  much  Srinidhi...  
 
 Regards,  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed Reply with quote

 Update  after  a  month
 
 Big  thanks  to  Srinidhi,  seems  my  major  problem  was  light  and  after  reducing  light,  algae  is  under  control  and  plants  are  really  doing  well.  “Monte  Carlo”  is  just  loving  ADA  substrate.  
 
 I  did  major  trim  and  water  change  today,  I  have  not  started  NPK  yet,  will  start  from  tomorrow.  Also,  adding  Epsom  salt  since  I  had  a  bad  experience  of  ludwigia  melting  though  they  are  categorized  as  easy  plant.
 
 Observations:
 
 • Below  plants  melted  and  had  to  remove  decayed  remains.
 Myriophyllum  mini  Guyana,  Lilaeopsis  novae  zelandiae  and  Ludwigia  repens  super  red.
 • I  had  to  remove  “Peacock  moss”  since  it  was  attracting  strange  white  gel  and  promoting  algae.
 • “Windelov  Fern”  and  “Staurogyne  sp.  Kerala”  growing  very  slow,  just  doing  okay.
 
 Need  recommendation  on  NPK  dose,  aquarium  has  about  80~85  Liters  of  water  and  ADA  substrate.
 
 I  am  planning  to  add,  some  plants,  red  plants  next  weekend.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ~  Manish
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Good  Manish..
 What  fertilization  method  are  you  following..
 I  would  suggest  you  dose  only  Potassium  for  the  time  being,  and  also  suggest  you  to  dose  only  a  quarter  of  the  suggested  dosing  level  if  you  are  following  EI  Method.
 You  can  try  Gh  booster  formula  if  you  have  very  soft  water,  Formula  is  as  follows..
 Magnesium  Sulfate  (Epsom  Salts).
 Potassium  Sulfate  (K2SO4)
 Calcium  Sulfate  (Gypsum)
 Mix  in  1:3:3  ratio.  and  dose  1/2  table  spoon  every  week  (  once  in  a  week  only)  after  water  changes.
 I  ma  assuming  that  you  have  reduced  water  changes  schedule  to  Weekly  once.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Nice  tank..  Fill  it  up  with  more  plants.  Also,  try  to  cover  up  the  base  of  the  driftwood..  
 
 Cheers,  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Srinidhi,  
 
   I  was  following  fertilization  as  below,  but  not  very  successful.  
 Fertilization:  ¼  tsp  KNO3,  1/16  tsp  K2SO4,  1/16  tsp  KH2PO4  –  3  times  a  week
 
 Can  you  please  advice  which  potassium  compound  to  use?  
 I  have  tried  planting  ludwigia  multiple  times  but  it  just  melts  away.  I  read  that  ludwigia  loves  epsom  salt.  
 
 Should  I  try  GH  booster  advised  by  you  alone  or  do  I  need  to  add  potassium  compound   also?  
 Mix  1:3:3  ratio  and  1/2  table  spoon  once  a  week.  
 Magnesium  Sulfate  (Epsom  Salts).  
 Potassium  Sulfate  (K2SO4)  
 Calcium  Sulfate  (Gypsum)
 
 Thanks  Karthik,  I  will  be  adding  plants  next  weekend.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Manish,
 I  was  following  fertilization  as  below,  but  not  very  successful.  
 Fertilization:  ¼  tsp  KNO3,  1/16  tsp  K2SO4,  1/16  tsp  KH2PO4  –  3  times  a  week.
 That  is  EI  method,  but  its  better  to  make  solution  for  dosing  rater  than  dry  dosing.
 
 Can  you  please  advice  which  potassium  compound  to  use?  
 I  have  tried  planting  ludwigia  multiple  times  but  it  just  melts  away.  I  read  that  ludwigia  loves  epsom  salt.  
 For  dosing  Pottasium  only,  prepare  the  following  solution..
 4  teaspons  of  pottasium  sulphate  in  250ml  of  water,  dose  10ml  perday.
 This  will  give  3.66ppm  of  K  per  dose,  and  will  be  25.6ppm  per  week.  this  recommendation  is  for  your  tank  size
 

 
 Should  I  try  GH  booster  advised  by  you  alone  or  do  I  need  to  add  potassium  compound   also?  
 Mix  1:3:3  ratio  and  1/2  table  spoon  once  a  week.  
 Magnesium  Sulfate  (Epsom  Salts).  
 Potassium  Sulfate  (K2SO4)  
 Calcium  Sulfate  (Gypsum)  
 GH  booster  is  dosed  once  in  a  week  after  a  water  change.  we  need  to  add  the  potassium  separately  as  mentioned  above.
 
 For  making  the  solution  based  on  EI..
 Macro  Solution

 33g  Potassium  Nitrate  -  (5.5tbs)
 7.2g  Monopotassium  Phosphate  -  (  1.  1/16  Tbs)
 250ml  Water*
 Trace  Mix  Solution
 10g  Chelated  Trace  Element  Mix  (CSM+B)
 250  ml  Water
 
 It  is  preferable  to  make  up  the  solutions  in  RO  water  or  deionised  water,  but  tap  water  can  be  used  if  need  be.  
 
 5ml  of  Macro  solution  for  your  tank  per  day
 5ml  of  Trace  solution  for  your  tank  twice  per  week.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Thanks  Srinidhi,  Let  me  follow  potassium  only  for  now.  Also,  I  have  planted   trimmed  part  of  rotala  but  those  had  no  roots.  Will  it  survive?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

 Any  other  alternative  for  Potassium
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Planted aquarium - suggestion needed - update after a mo Reply with quote

                                                   
mkk19800  wrote  (View  Post):                
Thanks  Srinidhi,  Let  me  follow  potassium  only  for  now.  Also,  I  have  planted   trimmed  part  of  rotala  but  those  had  no  roots.  Will  it  survive?                

 Yes  they  will..  that's  the  way  we  do  as  well..
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