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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

 I  am  planning  on  setting  up  a  planted  new  tank  which  will  be  low  tech.
 SUBSTRATE  :  thinking  of  Red  soil  or  potting  mix  (Casa  De  armor  brand  from  Amazon  website)   +vermicompost  mix.  Capped  off  by  regular  aquarium  clay  pellets.
 LIGHTING  :  15  watt  (2250  lumen)  Corvi  (Brand)  LED  2  feet  tube.  
 Tank  dimensions  (pre-owned)  :(lbh)  =  21x11x24  inches.  25  gallon.  Stand  is  a  solid  metal  stand  holding  this  up.  
 
 PLEASE  TELL  YOUR  THOUGHTS  ABOUT  Cheap  substrate  and  lighting  choice.  
 
 I  need  to  know  about  how  much  soil  to  use  as  well
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

 Your  substrate  looks  good,  but  I  feel  it  is  too  rich  in  nutrients,  at  the  same  time  your  light  looks  really  bright  as  well.  When  there  is  good  light  and  a  good  substrate,  it  forms  an  ideal  combination  for  flora  to  flourish,  but  higher  organisms  like  plants  will  only  flourish  when  there  is  lots  of  CO2  to  drive  their  high  growth  rate.  If  you  do  not  provide  pressurized  CO2  to  this  system,  you  will  encourage  the  growth  of  primitive  fauna  which  can  tolerate  low  CO2  conditions,  i.e.  Algae.  Lots  of  Algae.  
 
 I  would  suggest  to  skip  vermicompost,  just  use  potting  mix  with  regular  clay  pellets  on  top  and  dont  skimp  on  water  changes  if  you  are  not  gonna  dose  pressurized  CO2.  Rest  everything  looks  fine.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:35 am Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

                                                   
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Your  substrate  looks  good,  but  I  feel  it  is  too  rich  in  nutrients,  at  the  same  time  your  light  looks  really  bright  as  well.  When  there  is  good  light  and  a  good  substrate,  it  forms  an  ideal  combination  for  flora  to  flourish,  but  higher  organisms  like  plants  will  only  flourish  when  there  is  lots  of  CO2  to  drive  their  high  growth  rate.  If  you  do  not  provide  pressurized  CO2  to  this  system,  you  will  encourage  the  growth  of  primitive  fauna  which  can  tolerate  low  CO2  conditions,  i.e.  Algae.  Lots  of  Algae.  
 
 I  would  suggest  to  skip  vermicompost,  just  use  potting  mix  with  regular  clay  pellets  on  top  and  dont  skimp  on  water  changes  if  you  are  not  gonna  dose  pressurized  CO2.  Rest  everything  looks  fine.
 
 All  the  best!  Thumb Up                

 I  wanted  to  put  only  a  slight  drizzling  of  vermicompost  as  the  bottom  most  layer  if  i'm  using  red  soil  (since  red  soil  is  poor  in  potash)  and  also  I've  seen  many  on  YouTube  use  some  kind  of  Potters  clay  clumps  along  with  dirt  in  natural  aquariums..  Should  terracotta  clay  do?  
 Thanks  for  your  input!  Much  appreciate  it.  If  co2  deficiency   is  a  problem,  then  in  injecting  it  via  diy  method(citric  acid+soda)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

                                                   
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 I  wanted  to  put  only  a  slight  drizzling  of  vermicompost  as  the  bottom  most  layer  if  i'm  using  red  soil  (since  red  soil  is  poor  in  potash)  and  also  I've  seen  many  on  YouTube  use  some  kind  of  Potters  clay  clumps  along  with  dirt  in  natural  aquariums..  Should  terracotta  clay  do?  
 Thanks  for  your  input!  Much  appreciate  it.  If  co2  deficiency   is  a  problem,  then  in  injecting  it  via  diy  method(citric  acid+soda)                

 
 DIY  CO2  is  a  good  addition  to  any  Planted  tank,  check  the  DIY  CO2  kits  on  amazon,  they  are  well  worth  the  money  and  make  life  a  lot  easier.  That  said,  what  plants  do  you  want  to  grow?  Many  aquatic  plants  can  survive  easily  in  inert  substrates.  Adding  an  enriched  substrate  only  invites  algae  issues  if  you  dont  know  what  you  are  doing.  Its  better  to  have  a  slightly  less  nutritious  substrate,  and  if  your  plants  are  showing  signs  of  deficiency,  just  fertilize  the  water  column  with  the  required  mineral.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

                                                   
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 I  wanted  to  put  only  a  slight  drizzling  of  vermicompost  as  the  bottom  most  layer  if  i'm  using  red  soil  (since  red  soil  is  poor  in  potash)  and  also  I've  seen  many  on  YouTube  use  some  kind  of  Potters  clay  clumps  along  with  dirt  in  natural  aquariums..  Should  terracotta  clay  do?  
 Thanks  for  your  input!  Much  appreciate  it.  If  co2  deficiency   is  a  problem,  then  in  injecting  it  via  diy  method(citric  acid+soda)                

 
 DIY  CO2  is  a  good  addition  to  any  Planted  tank,  check  the  DIY  CO2  kits  on  amazon,  they  are  well  worth  the  money  and  make  life  a  lot  easier.  That  said,  what  plants  do  you  want  to  grow?  Many  aquatic  plants  can  survive  easily  in  inert  substrates.  Adding  an  enriched  substrate  only  invites  algae  issues  if  you  dont  know  what  you  are  doing.  Its  better  to  have  a  slightly  less  nutritious  substrate,  and  if  your  plants  are  showing  signs  of  deficiency,  just  fertilize  the  water  column  with  the  required  mineral.                

 
 Thanks  for  the  advice..  I  am  just  now  receiving  all  my  supplies  from  Amazon  (since  I  don't  have  a  dedicated  lfs  where  I  live)  so  once  everything  arrives,  I'm  gonna  dig  up  some  fertile  soil  bear  the  mango  plantations  around  here  and  start  aquascaping.   I'll  be  ordering  plants  online  as  well.  I'll  be  growing  some  hardy  plants  like  anubis,  Java  ferns,  moss  and  stems.  I  very  much  prefer  non  fussy  varieties  since  I  want  them  to  grow  tall  and  bushy  quickly.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

                                                   
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I'll  be  growing  some  hardy  plants  like  anubis,  Java  ferns,  moss  and  stems.  I  very  much  prefer  non  fussy  varieties  since  I  want  them  to  grow  tall  and  bushy  quickly.                

 
 You  absolutely  dont  need  a  fertile  substrate  for  the  plants  you've  selected.  All  the  plants  you've  mentioned  are  slow  to  moderate  growers,  and  will  be  very  easily  be  overtaken  by  algae  provided  to  nutrients.  Anubias,  Java  fern  and  all  mosses  are  best  grown  attached  to  rocks  and  driftwood,  infact  anubias  will  promptly  die  if  you  plant  it  in  the  substrate.  
 
 Be  very  careful  with  the  amount  of  soil  you  dig  up  to  add  to  the  tank.  Also  beware  that  this  soil  needs  to  be  completely  free  of  any  pesticides  and  fertilizers.  At  max  us  a  0.5inch  thick  layer  of  soil,  which  should  be  around  2kg  given  your  tank  size.  Top  it  with  1  inch  of  gravel,  dont  use  fine  sand  as  it  will  trap  the  bubbles  of  methane  and  ammonia  emanating  from  the  decaying  organic  matter  in  the  soil  forming  toxic  pockets  of  air  and  ruining  your  water  chemistry.
 
 As  for  plants,  do  consider  Cryptocoryne  species,  hydrocotyle  triparita,  vallisneria  and  bacopa  species,  along  with  your  selection.  You  will  need  the  tank  to  be  moderately  planted  to  use  up  all  the  nutrients  present  in  the  substrate,  and  to  over  power  any  algae  in  the  cycling  period.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: LIGHTING & SUBSTRATE for new tank, help please! Reply with quote

                                                   
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 You  absolutely  dont  need  a  fertile  substrate  for  the  plants  you've  selected.  All  the  plants  you've  mentioned  are  slow  to  moderate  growers,  and  will  be  very  easily  be  overtaken  by  algae  provided  to  nutrients.  Anubias,  Java  fern  and  all  mosses  are  best  grown  attached  to  rocks  and  driftwood,  infact  anubias  will  promptly  die  if  you  plant  it  in  the  substrate.  
 
 Be  very  careful  with  the  amount  of  soil  you  dig  up  to  add  to  the  tank.  Also  beware  that  this  soil  needs  to  be  completely  free  of  any  pesticides  and  fertilizers.  At  max  us  a  0.5inch  thick  layer  of  soil,  which  should  be  around  2kg  given  your  tank  size.  Top  it  with  1  inch  of  gravel,  dont  use  fine  sand  as  it  will  trap  the  bubbles  of  methane  and  ammonia  emanating  from  the  decaying  organic  matter  in  the  soil  forming  toxic  pockets  of  air  and  ruining  your  water  chemistry.
 
 As  for  plants,  do  consider  Cryptocoryne  species,  hydrocotyle  triparita,  vallisneria  and  bacopa  species,  along  with  your  selection.  You  will  need  the  tank  to  be  moderately  planted  to  use  up  all  the  nutrients  present  in  the  substrate,  and  to  over  power  any  algae  in  the  cycling  period.                

 I'll  keep  what  you  said  in  mind.  Thankyou  so  much  for  the  info.  I  was  a  bit  confused  in  the  plants  department  but  you  cleared  a  lot  of  my  doubts.  I  will  post  an  update  on  the  tank  as  soon  as  I  begin  working  on  it.  Just  today  I  recieved  my  order  for  lights  from  Amazon  website.  Just  waiting  to  get  the  hood  made  and  I'll  set  it  all  up.
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