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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Hi
 What  are  requirements  of  brackish  water  aquariums.
 I  would  like  to  keep  scats,  chromides.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Hey  Sandeep,
 well  a  brakish  water  environment  is  a  very  versatile  environment  because  the  water  chemistry  keeps  varying  from  time  to  time.
 Unfortunately,  it  is  one  aspect  which  is  mostly  neglected  by  aquarists  -  even  on  most  aquarium  related  sites  there  is  generally  no  specific  section  on  the  brakish  water  aquarium.
 I  just  yesterday  visited  my  brother  in  law's  shrimp  farms  and  was  able  to  see  and  make  notes  of  some  fish  and  aquatic  life  that  normally  comes  into  his  reservoir  ponds  from  the  creek  and  there  are  a  lot  of  fish  and  inverts  which  normally  were  never  supposed  to  be  there  but  still  survive  the  brakish  water  environment  -  just  to  name  some  -  I  could  find  there  mudskippers  in  abundance  along  with  fiddler  crabs,  silver  sides,  wild  shrimps,  sea  bass,  some  gobys,  even  a  wrasse  (still  not  positively  identified  by  us),  some  eels,  mud  crabs,  etc.
 Ther  is  a  lot  to  be  still  discovered  in  the  natural  ponds  around  the  creeks  and  shortly  we  are  going  for  a  fishy  trip  to  the  ponds  and  collect  some  specimens.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Well
 Wetweb  media  has  a  brackish  section.
 However  it  says  that  normal  salt  cannot  be  used,  seasalt  has  to  be  used.
 what  should  be  the  sp  gr  of  the  water  in  brackish  aquarium.
 Further  is  it  possible  to  graduate  from  freshawater  to  brackish  water  to  a  marine  water  in  term  so  maintenence  of  tanks
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 sandeep  your  idea  of  graduation  in  the  hobby  is  indeed  appreciable.  But,  my  dear  friend  each  aquatic  environment  poses  a  unique  challenge  and  IMHO  you  cannot  compare  any  one  part  of  the  hobby  as  easier  than  the  other  one!
 Indeed,  to  maintain  a  marine  aquarium  you  need  to  be  more  conversant  with  the  water  quality  and  the  chemistry.  But,  to  think  that  a  brakish  water  system  will  help  you  understand  the  salt  water  chemistry  better  is  not  fully  true!
 there  are  many  diverse  aqautic  environments  and  each  has  a  unique  chemistry  -  as  I  told  you  above,  I  could  find  fish  in  brakish  habitats  which  were  absolutely  not  supposed  to  be  there  in  the  first  place  -  fish  like  sea  bass  and  moray  eels  are  just  an  example  of  how  versatile  our  aquatic  friends  are  at  adapting  themselves  to  diverse  habitats!
 So  to  understand  the  subject  -  study  'it'  rather  than  studying  something  similar  to  'it'
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

                                                   
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Ther  is  a  lot  to  be  still  discovered  in  the  natural  ponds  around  the  creeks  and  shortly  we  are  going  for  a  fishy  trip  to  the  ponds  and  collect  some  specimens.                  

 Sounds  like  fun.  Let  us  know  what  you  find.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi
 What  are  requirements  of  brackish  water  aquariums.
 I  would  like  to  keep  scats,  chromides.                

 scats  and  chromides  do  well  in  freshwter  also.For  a  brackish  water  its  necessary  to  add  a  little  brackish  water  to  your  tank  first  to  set  the  water  cycle  going.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

                                                   
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scats  and  chromides  do  well  in  freshwter  also                

 They  may  survive  but  will  never  thrive....its  sad  to  see  scats  and  monos  being  dumped  with  other  regular  freshwater  fish...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Surviving  is  one  thing,  living  comfortably  is  another  thing.
 Brackkish  envoirnemnts  are  at  places  where  rivers  empty  into  seas,  sea  water  sureges  inland  into  rivers.
 The  water  chemistry  is  forever  changing  and  has  different  levels  of  salt  at  diffrent  times.
 The  fiahes  living  in  these  water  have  adapted  to  various  water  conditions,  they  can  "survive"  in  pure  freshwater  but  will  not  be  comfortable  in  it.
 Further  at  juvinile  stage  both  scat  &  mono  can  live  in  ferehwater  but  will  need  brackish  water  as  they  grow  up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Sandeep,  as  I  told  you  it  is  very  difficult  to  determine  what  fish  you  can  get  to  see  in  the  creeks  and  the  swamps  as  they  sometimes  come  from  the  sea  and  sometimes  from  the  FW  source  -  but  they  live  happily  in  the  brakish  conditions.
 It  is  very  difficult  to  say  that  xxx  amount  of  salt  should  be  added  to  the  FW  to  make  brakish  water,  because  the  chemistry  of  the  brakish  habitats  is  ever  changing.  It  is  one  habitat  that  is  largely  dominated  by  the  tide  and  ebb  times  and  the  lunar  cycle.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Okay,  Nauzur,  agreed  
 Then  how  do  perole  who  maintain  brackish  systems  maintain  salinity.
 IAH  must  be  having  blokes  keeping  brackish  water  setups
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

                                                   
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Okay,  Nauzur,  agreed  
 Then  how  do  perole  who  maintain  brackish  systems  maintain  salinity.
 IAH  must  be  having  blokes  keeping  brackish  water  setups                

 Well,  Sandeep  I  think  you  should  analyse  what  exactly  you  want  to  keep  than  start  researching  on  what  habitats  the  fish  belongs  to  and  what  is  the  water  chemistry..........try  replicating  these  and  bingo!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 So  nauzer  can  you  write  a  detailed  post  on  what  one  must  do  if  they  wanna  start  a  brackish  water  tank  from  scratch...i  mean  basic  tank  size,tankmates  to  say  monos  which  are  probably  the  most  popular  brackish  water  fish,substrate,decor  etc  etc...i  have  been  tugging  at  the  idea  of  having  a  brackish  water  tank  but  cant  trust  the  lfs  here..  (one  of  them  though  it  was  a  great  idea  to  dump  monos  with  oscars   Drinking  )
 and  speaking  of  adaptability..how  can  we  forget  the  good  old  molly..afterall  is  it  not  a  brackish  water  fish  to  begin  with?   Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Brackish  water  setups  can  be  a  little  hard  to  define  because  the  salinity  varies  by  quite  a  bit  for  different  fish  species.  
 Monos,  scats  can  be  kept  at  around  1.005  -  1-010  spgr.
 Puffers  go  all  the  way  from  1.000  to  full  blown  1.025  spgr  which  would  probably  be  more  towards  the  marine  side.
 I  guess  it  depends  on  the  species  you  want  to  keep.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 A  small  note  on  some  Brackish  water  fishes  found  in  India.
 
 Glass  Fish  â€“  Chanda  Lala/Ranga
 Has  a  transparent  body.  Back  bone  and  ribs  can  easily  be  seen.  A  peaceful  schooling  fish  to  be  kept  with  other  gentle  fish.  Timid  and  can  be  easily  frightened.
 Requirement:  1-2  spoons  for  each  ten  liters  of  water.  Temp  20-30  deg  C
 Local  Names:Chandee  â€“  Bengali.;  Mullu  Jubu  â€“  Kannada  .;  Mullu  Cheru  â€“  Malayam  .;  Gaude  Chiri  â€“  Marathi  .;  Goa  Chappi  â€“  Oriya  .;  Mucknee  â€“  Punjabi  .;  Akkurati  â€“  Telugu.
 
 Scat  â€“  Scatophagus  argus
 Rounded  fish  with  large  round  spots  on  a  greenish  /gray  or  dusky  brown  body.  Mature  fish  prefer  sea  water.  Do  not  attempt  to  keep  any  plants  with  the  Scats.
 Requirement:  3-4  teaspoons  for  each  ten  liters  of  water.  Temp.  20-28  deg  C
 Local  Names:Kaski  â€“  Gujarati  .;  Nutchar  Char  â€“  Malayalam  .;  Vada  â€“  Marathi  .;  Ilethi  /  Sipili  â€“  Tamil  .;  Chitsiloo  /  Eesputti  â€“  Telugu.
 
 Ceylon  Angel  â€“  Monodactylus  argenteus
 Also  known  as  the  Mono,  Silver  batfish,  Silver  Moony,  fingerfish,  Silver  dollar,  Malayan  Angelfish.  Has  silvery  compressed  body  and  blunt  dorsal  and  and  anal  fin  tips.  Peaceful  lively  schooling  fish.  The  fish  look  best  when  they  are  young.  The  two  vertical  black  stripes  over  the  head  and  yellow  coloring  fade  with  age.  Eats  small  fish.
 Plants:  Vallisneria  spiralis
 Requirements:  One  teaspoon  of  salt  for  ten  liters  of  water.  Good  aeration.
 Local  Names:Purrande  â€“  Tamil  .;  Chandlak  â€“  Marathi  .;  Akoli  /  Vavalmeen–  Malayalam  
 
 The  Archer  Fish  â€“  Toxotes  Jaculator
 Shoots  down  flying  insects  with  well  aimed  drops  of  water  from  the  mouth.  Placid  shoal  fish  larger  ones  may  attack  smaller  ones.
 Requirement:  2-3  tsp  sea  salt  for  ten  liters  of  water.  Temp.  25-30  deg  C
 
 Orange  Chromide  â€“  Etroplus  Maculatus
 Also  known  as  the  spotted  Etroplus.  Peaceful,  With  the  fry  taken  care  of  by  both  parents.  The  fish  are  open  breeders  and  need  planted  area  with  rocks  for  spawning.  Additon  of  1-2  spoons  of  sea  salt  will  make  them  more  resistant.  Temp.  20  -25  deg  C  
 Local  Names:  Matak  â€“  Kannada  .;  Kalunder  â€“  Konkani  .;  Sellekasu  /  Puradi  â€“  Tamil
 
 Pearl  Spot  â€“  Etroplus  Suratensis
 Also  known  as  the  Green  Chromide  or  Striped  Chromide.
 Local  Names:Irimeen  /  Karimeen  â€“  Malayalam  .;  Elimeenu  â€“  Kannada  .;  Kalunder  â€“  Konkani  .;  Sethakandai  /  Sethakendai  â€“  Tamil  .;  Cashimara  â€“  Telugu
 
 African  Mouthbrooder  â€“  Oreochromis  mossambicus
 Also  known  as  the  Tilapia.  This  fish  has  been  introduced.  The  eggs  after  being  laid  and  fertilized  kept  in  the  females  mouth  until  they  hatch.  Eats  anything  from  algae  to  insects.  Its  tough  and  can  tolerate  wide  range  of  water  temperatures  and  low  oxygen  levels.  It  can  also  breed  in  poor  water  conditions.
 Local  Names:Jelibi  â€“  Kannada  .;  Jelibi  Meen  â€“  Tamil  .;  Kolathile  Meen  â€“  Malayalam.
 
 The  Puffer  or  globe  fish  â€“  Tetradon  fluviatilis
 Requirement:  Can  tolerate  fresh  water.  Hard  neutral  water  from  10  dGH  pH
 7.0.  They  cannot  survive  in  sea  water.  Temp  -24-28  deg  C
 
 Plants
 Best/hardiest  brackish  water  plant  species:  Microsorium  pteropus-Java  fern,  Hygrophila  polysperma  â€“  Dwarf  Hydrophila,  Sagittaria  spp.-  Dwarf  Sag.  Vallisneria  spp.  â€“  Giant  Val,  Echinodorus  tenellus  â€“  Junior  Sword  /Pygmy  Chain  Sword,  Ceratopteris  spp.  â€“  Water  sprite,
 
 Water:  All  fresh  water  sources  have  some  salt  in  them.  Sea  water  has  about  2.5  percent  salt  content  and  a  specific  gravity  of  approximately  1.025.  Brackish  water  systems  have  a  salt  content  of  1.005  to  1.012.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Brackish Water aquariums Reply with quote

 Thanks  Trevor  Very Happy  
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