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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hello  everybody  and  monster  tank  owners,
 
 Have  been  toying  with  this  idea  for  quite  sometime  now  and  also  consider  this  an  upgradation  of  my  hobby.  Would  be  moving  to  my  new  house  shortly  in  couple  of  months  and  want  to  keep  a  8ftr  (space  limitations  or  else  would  have  gone  for  a  10  ftr).  Considering  the  fact  that  a  8ftr  is  a  largish  tank  and  lots  of  space  is  available  i  am  in  a  fix/confusion  as  what  would  be  the  species  of  fish  that  can  be  kept  in  them.  Below  are  the  few  questions  that  i  have  where  i  would  be  needing  some  help/suggestions  from  all  of  you  guys  who  have  experience  in  keeping  big  tanks...
 
 1-  Dont  want  to  keep  Oscars  (Already  have  2  four  ftrs  dedicated  for  them)  
 2-  Not  interested  in  planted  tanks  (might  not  be  able  to  spend  the  required  time/equipment  for  them)
 3-  Wish  to  keep  a  colony  of  frontosas  or  Piranhas  (what  are  the  other  options  of  shoaling  large  cichlids)
 4-  Planned  for  a  mbuna  alone  setup  (not  many  excotic  varieties  are  available  in  LFS)  or  a  lake  malawi  setup
 
 I  am  basically  looking  at  tank  with  a  similar  setup  as  this  (http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/office_tank2.html).  So  guys  please  let  me  know  all  the  thoughts/crazy  ideas  that  you  can  come  up  with  so  i  can  start  investing  my  time/money  on  it..
 
 Note:  If  things  work  out  i  might  even  try  my  hand  on  a  plywood  tank  like  Madan  Subramanian  did  rather  than  a  all  glass  tank.  Suggestions  invited  to  go  for  plywood  or  glass  tank  also...
 
 Hoping  for  lotta  replies  from  you  guys
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 If  you  choose  to  build  a  plywood  tank,  please  read  madan's  article  &  others  on  the  www.  You  might  have  to  experiment  a  lot,  since  a  tried  &  test  method  suitable  for  materials  available  in  India  is  not  readily  available.
 
 If  you  want  stability  &  reliability,  I  suggest  you  go  for  a  glass  tank.
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 Hello  Ravi,  I  am  more  inclined  towards  an  all  glass  tank,  i  am  also  reading  a  lotta  articles  on  plywood  tanks  on  the  net.  Hoping  to  get  the  best.
 
 Suggestions  on  the  fish  species   Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 I  think  a  Tanganyikan  tank  setup  would  be  great.  You  will  have  colonies  of  cichlids,  very  colorful,  beautifully  co  existing  and  breeding  and  raising  their  fries  in  the  same  tank!
 
 All  glass  is  the  easiest  and  most  reliable,  as  of  now!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hello  Nytyn,  any  specific  names  from  Tanganyika  and  their  compatibity  and  group  sizes,  what  can  be  kept  with  frontosas.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hi  OL  Smile  
 If  it  were  me  i  would  prefer  to  keep  only  fronts  or  a  colony  of  either  duboisi/moori  or  a  community  tank  with  julies  and  lamps  Very Happy  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Fronts  and  clown  loaches  please   Clapping  
 
 Darn,  I  can't  believe  your  getting  urself  an  8  footer  and  complaining  about  a  space  crunch  and  not  being  able  to  keep  a  10  footer.  
 
 Your  just  plain  disgusting  *UGH*
 
 Oh,  and  I  totally  hate  you  *UGH*
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hi,
 Why  do  you  want  to  go  for  a  8  foot  tank?
 Have  you  thought  about  the  filteration  ?  
 Also  access  in  the  tank  is  going  to  be  a  big  pain,  there  is  no  way  you  will  be  able  to  bend  over  the  side  of  the  tank  and  place  something  at  the  back  of  the  tank,  You  will  need  access  from  both  the  sides,
 Water  changes,  even  a  20-30  %  is  going  to  mean  large  amounts  of  water  which  you  would  need  to  store  over  night.
 
 Building  the  tank  and  getting  the  fishes  are  the  easy  part,  There  are  lot  of  things  to  consider  before  you  get  into  it.
 
 I  am  assuming  its  going  to  be  a  270  gallon  tank.  A  manageable  size  for  a  tank  is  a  180  gallon.
 
 Think  about  it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 @  Hello  Rahul,  
 Gotta  compromise  on  something.  Have  always  dreamt  of  keeping  a  large  tank  and  have  done  some  reading  on  the  net  on  maintaining  a  large  tank,  if  you  look  at  the  URL  that  i  have  posted,  it  is  similar  to  what  i  want.
 
 Filteration  -  One  of  my  4  ftr  has  a  2000L/H  Atman  Filter  running  and  i  assume  that  2  filters  of  the  same  capacity  would  do  the  job  (i  can  even  add  an  additional  filter  of  about  1000L/H  for  efficient  filteration  if  necessary).  Maybe  i  can  add  some  some  additional  airpumps  for  better  oxygenation  of  the  water  depending  on  the  stocking  density.
 
 Access  -  This  would  be  a  one  time  setup  which  would  be  planned  accordingly  and  not  disturbed  for  maybe  for  about  a  year  or  so  once  put  together,  so  the  important  thing  required  by  me  would  be  the  access  to  filters  and  areas  that  accumulate  more  dirt.  (Also  i  am  6ft  Tall  Thumb Up)
 
 Water  Changes  -  Since  the  proposed  tank  would  contain  large  volume  of  water  i  am  sure  that  the  water  changes  can  be  done  atleast  once  in  a  month  or  maybe  month  and  a  half  or  so.This  would  be  coupled  by  strict/minimal  feeding  schedules  to  the  fishes  as  i  believe  that  fish  poop  contributes  a  lot  to  the  tank  maintainence.Overfed  fish  =  lots  of  poop.
 
 This  tank  would  basically  contain  179-US  Gallons  or  680  Litres  of  water  ie  96L  x  24W  x  18H.
 
 Please  do  let  me  know  if  my  assumptions/calculations  are  correct.
 
 @  Clowny  Girl  -  Please  dont  hate  me,  i  am  sure  you  will  have  your  8ftr  or  a  bigger  one  some  day  because  it  took  me  3  years  to  convince  my  parents  on  this  project   Cheer Up  
 
 Fellow  hobbyist,  keep  the  suggestions  flowing  in   Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hi,
 The  tank  size  is  perfect  for  cichlids,  lot  of  surface  area.
 2  Filters  like  you  said  should  do,  may  be  add  one  powerhead  for  circulation.
 Water  changes  depend  on  you  bio-load  and  not  the  volume  of  water,  more  the  bio-load  for  a  given  volume  you  need  to  do  more  water  changes,I  have  6  frontosa(5  inch),3  green  terror  (7  inch),  1  golden  severum  (7  inch)  in  a  180  gallon,  I  do  30-40%  water  change  every  week.
 
 What  thickness  of  glass  do  you  need  for  this?  
 Reason  i  am  asking  is  because  you  may  be  spending  more  on  glass  for  a  180  gallon  if  you  make  it  8  foot,  If  you  had  a  6x2x2  180  gallon  tank,  this  will  need  12  mm  glass.
 
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 At  this  size  why  dont  you  recreate  a  biotope  of  an  indian  river?
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 I  guess  these  would  be  my  options..if  I  had  such  a  big  tank:
 
 1.  Amazon  community  -  Severum,  Uaru,  Angels,  Plecos,  Silver  Dollar,  Stingray
 2.  Tanganyikan  tank  -  Frontosa,  Calvus/Compressiceps
 3.  Tanganyikan  community  -  Julidochromis,  Neoamprologus,  Tropheus,  Calvus/Compressiceps
 4.  South  Indian  river  tank  -  Xenetodon  cancila,  Puntius  mahecola/tambaraparani/filamentosa,  Garra.
 5.  Indian  Brackish  -  Coius  sp.,  Nandus  nandus,  Monodactylus  sp.,  Archerfish,  Scatophagus.
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 hey  thats  amazing!!  congrats  on  your  new  tank....am  waiting  for  my  10  feet  tank..dad  says  "  dream  on  dreamer"   Crying or Very sad  
 
 let  us  know  the  progress.....best  of  luck   Thumb Up  
 
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 interesting  guys,
 
 @  Rahul  -  I  am  not  sure  about  the  thickness  of  the  glass,  would  probably  need  a  14mm  glass
 
 @  Beta  -  Was  eagerly  expecting  you  to  reply  to  this  post,  nice  suggestions,  if  at  all  i  start  a  indian  biotope  where  do  i  get  all  those  fishes  listed  out  there  Beta,  might  end  up  visiting  you  in  chennai  to  get  some  advice  personally.....
 
 Now  since  the  topic  of  the  tank  size  has  been  raised  twice  here  do  you  guys  suggest  me  to  reduce  the  tank  size  to  6  feet  or  still  stick  to  my  8ftr  idea.  I  might  just  be  in  a  hurry  to  get  things  done  and  get  a  large  tank  but  sincerely  what  would  be  the  best  option  for  a  largish  tank  if  not  a  8ftr     Confused  
 
 Surely  will  keep  all  you  guys  posted  on  my  progress,  as  i  mentioned  this  would  take  couple  of  months  for  me  to  set  it  up.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Starting an 8 footer Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  think  you  should  stick  on  to  the  original  plan  and  go  ahead  with  the  8  Feet  tank.  The  suggestion  fishes  for  the  tanks  by  Beta  is  good.  I  would  have  gone  for  any  one  of  them  if  i  had  a  chance  to  setup  a  tank  of  smilar  size.   Smile  
 
 Regards,
 
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