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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: has anybody had experience of keeping gold fish with oscar Reply with quote

 Hi  friends
   Â   Â   Â   Â I  recently  had  an  sad  experience  keeping  my  black  gold  fish  with  an  5  "  tiger  oscar  for  2  mins  ,  i  just  wanted  to  clean  my  bowl  this  sunday,So  instead  of  keeping  the  goldies  in  tub  ,  i  sent  them  into  my  tank.
 the  poor  black  gold  lost  both  its  eyes  and  mouth  ,  but  i  donot  know  how  its  still  breathing  alive
 i  want  to  know  if  anybody  else  happened  to  have  such  experience


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Sorry  for  your  loss  friend.
 On  another  note  a  bowl  is  not  a  best  place  for  a  goldfish.  An  adult  goldfish  needs  10  gallons  or  30lts  of  water  to  live  happily.  A  1lit  or  2  lit  bowl  is  not  enough  for  goldfish.
 If  your  fish  survives  trf  it  to  a  a  bigger  tank.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Raghav....DO  NOT  keep  any  goldfish  of  any  form  or  size  with  Oscars
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Hey!!!
   Many  in  this  world  believe  gold  fishes  are  food  for  Oscars  (Excluding  me)......   Chuckle   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Pls  study  the  compatibility  of  fishes  before  proceeding  furthur.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 thanks  for  your  replies  friends  
 
 i  have  very  small  fishes  like  scat  ,  sea  angel  and  blue  morph  on  my  tank  
 but  they  are  untouched  by  both  oscars  &  Flowerhorns
 
 thanks  for  advise  anyway  
 
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 i  have  placed  my  gold  in  a  very  big  bowl  ,  i  have  a  pair  of  balck  gold  ,  a  normal  orange  gold  and  a  lion  head  gold  bigger  one  .
 
 Any  suggestions  if  that  is  correct  or  not
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 A  bowl  unless  it  is  atleast  3  ft  in  diameter  aint  close  to  enough.
 
 Golds  are  very  messy  and  will  degrade  the  water  quality  quickly,  believe  me,  I  started  off  with  a  dozen  medium  sized  golds  in  a  24"  x  12"  x  18"  tank.
 
 It's  always  better  to  have  quality  of  life  for  these  guys  rather  than  have  them  barely  survive  in  your  tank  Smile
 
 Let  us  know  if  you  need  any  further  help   Thumb Up  
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Pls  give  size  of  your  tank.
 No  of  tanks.
 Fish  in  each  tank
 Scat  &  sea  angel  or  mono  are  both  brackish  water  fish  (  which  means  it  is  somewhere  between  marine  &  frehwater).  They  cannot  live  for  long  in  pure  fresh  water.
 Oscar  &  FH  are  freshwater  fish  and  being  highly  aggressive  &  terriotorial  cannot  be  mixed  with  any  other  fish.  They  need  big  tanks  on  their  own.
 GOLDFISH  ARE  NOT  BOWL  FISH,  If  there  is  any  fish  least  suited  for  bowl  it  is  goldfish.
 Goldfish  bowl  have  been  banned  in  many  countires.  Fish  like  betta  etc.  can  be  kept  in  bowls.
 They  need  proper  tanks  of  their  own,  with  filteration,  etc.  to  live  long.  Kindly  keep  in  maind  goldfish  live  very  long  10  yrs.  in  Indian  climate,  and  20-25  yrs  in  colder  climates  is  pretty  common.
 just  becasude  a  fish  is  alive  does  not  mean  that  it  is  healthy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 To  give  you  an  indication.  I  have  a  3ft  by  1.5  ft  by  1.5ft,  which  is  close  to  50  gallons  or  180lts.
 This  has  only  5  goldfish  and  one  iridescent  shark.  All  started  off  as  juviniles,  and  are  at  good  size  now,  iri  shark  is  nearly  1  ft,  shubunkins  are  7",  even  the  pearlscale  looks  like  a  lawn  tennis  ball  with  a  mouth  &  tails.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

                                                   
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thanks  for  your  replies  friends  
 i  have  very  small  fishes  like  scat  ,  sea  angel  and  blue  morph  on  my  tank  
 but  they  are  untouched  by  both  oscars  &  Flowerhorns
 thanks  for  advise  anyway  
 &
 i  have  placed  my  gold  in  a  very  big  bowl  ,  i  have  a  pair  of  balck  gold  ,  a  normal  orange  gold  and  a  lion  head  gold  bigger  one  .
 Any  suggestions  if  that  is  correct  or  not                

 
 Its  just  a  matter  of  time  unless  the  agressor  of  them  takes  over  and  rips  the  others  apart.  So  please  do  separate  them  and  give  them  a  proper  place  to  live  in  unless  you  have  plans  of  a  massive  200+  G  of  aquarium  to  house   O's  and  FH's.  Even  then  i  suppose  FH's  can  take  on  O's  as  its  all  depends  on  ones  fishes  temprament.  These  guys  are  territorial.
 
 For  gold  note  that  its  not  a  community  fish  and  requires  a  separate  housing....  And  its  reqs  are  compleatly  different.
 
 Same  thing  with  brackish  water  fishes.  
 Hence  i  would  suggest  you  to  investigate  further  on  your  choice  and  them  come  up  with  the  proper  combination  of  fishes  based  on  the  parameters.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

                                                   
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Pls  give  size  of  your  tank.
 No  of  tanks.
 Fish  in  each  tank
 Scat  &  sea  angel  or  mono  are  both  brackish  water  fish  (  which  means  it  is  somewhere  between  marine  &  frehwater).  They  cannot  live  for  long  in  pure  fresh  water.
 Oscar  &  FH  are  freshwater  fish  and  being  highly  aggressive  &  terriotorial  cannot  be  mixed  with  any  other  fish.  They  need  big  tanks  on  their  own.
 GOLDFISH  ARE  NOT  BOWL  FISH,  If  there  is  any  fish  least  suited  for  bowl  it  is  goldfish.
 Goldfish  bowl  have  been  banned  in  many  countires.  Fish  like  betta  etc.  can  be  kept  in  bowls.
 They  need  proper  tanks  of  their  own,  with  filteration,  etc.  to  live  long.  Kindly  keep  in  maind  goldfish  live  very  long  10  yrs.  in  Indian  climate,  and  20-25  yrs  in  colder  climates  is  pretty  common.
 just  becasude  a  fish  is  alive  does  not  mean  that  it  is  healthy                

 
 i  have  attached  a  pic  of  my  bowl  ,  can  you  please  Suggest  me  if  i  can  keep  4  goldies  (  3  small  ones  &  1  Big  Lion  Head  Gold)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 Looking  at  the  size  of  the  gold  fishes  and  number  of  fishes  u  have  put  inside  the  bowl,  i  feel  your  bowl  is  too  small..  Thumb Down  
 
 I  dont  suggest  to  keep  any  fish  in  bowl,  pls  give  your  fishes  a  good  environment,  if  not  pls  dont  buy  them...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 One  of  the  biggest  problems  with  fish  bowl  is  that  the  opening  in  narrow  and  the  water  surface  in  contact  with  air  is  very  limited.  This  is  the  area  where  exchange  of  gases  takes  place.
 It  is  common  fallacy  that  bubblers  aerate  the  water,  wrong,  they  do  not  pump  in  air  into  aquarium.  They  only  agitate  the  surface  of  water  so  that  gases  can  exchange.
 Further  you  cannot  use  a  good  filter  in  a  bowl,  which  is  very  necessary  for  a  goldfish  tank.  Goldfish  are  toothless  fish,  so  they  grind  their  food,  due  to  this  and  the  fact  a  goldfish  grows  upto  1  ft  they  have  a  very  high  metabolic  rate.  they  eat  a  lot  and  defeceate  a  lot.  this  makes  the  water  very  dirty.
 Further  a  bowl  is  never  filled  upto  the  top,  it  is  only  filled  2/3  rd  of  the  way,  so  that  air  exchange  surface  is  more.
 You  fish  are  not  small,  they  are  semi  adults,  they  will  not  survive  long  in  this  setup.
 Exchange  this  bowl  for  a  tank,  for  these  fishes  you  require  at  least  3ft  by  1.25  ft  by  1.25ft.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: has any beed had experience of kepping gold fish with os Reply with quote

 raghav,
 A  tank  of  3  ft/1.25/1.25  as  suggested  by  sandeep  will  not  be  too  expensive.  There  are  fellow  hobbyist  selling  used  tanks  on  IAH  and  could  be  even  cheaper.   If  space  is  the  constraint,  please  keep  either  the  golds  or  the  cichlids  and  give  away  whichever  you  don't  want.  Your  oscars  do  not  attack  the  other  tankmates  maybe  because  they  are  settled  in  the  tank,  but  as  they  grow  bigger,  they  will  consider  the  smaller  mates  as  food.
 Your  blue  morphs(M.Lambordoi)  are  not  safe  to  be  kept  with  other  fishes  either.  They  can  become  real  mean  and  can  take  fishes  twice  their  size  and  rip  their  jaws.  Males  of  blue  morphs  change  yellow  and  some  LFS  call  them  yellow  morphs/golden  morphs.  I  happened  to  grow  a  group  of  6  in  my  malawi  setup  and  left  with  only  one  male  and  two  females  now.  It  also  made  life  miserable  for  some  sharks  that  were  kept  when  the  blue  morphs  were  very  small.
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raghav,
 A  tank  of  3  ft/1.25/1.25  as  suggested  by  sandeep  will  not  be  too  expensive.  There  are  fellow  hobbyist  selling  used  tanks  on  IAH  and  could  be  even  cheaper.  Â If  space  is  the  constraint,  please  keep  either  the  golds  or  the  cichlids  and  give  away  whichever  you  don't  want.  Your  oscars  do  not  attack  the  other  tankmates  maybe  because  they  are  settled  in  the  tank,  but  as  they  grow  bigger,  they  will  consider  the  smaller  mates  as  food.
 Your  blue  morphs(M.Lambordoi)  are  not  safe  to  be  kept  with  other  fishes  either.  They  can  become  real  mean  and  can  take  fishes  twice  their  size  and  rip  their  jaws.  Males  of  blue  morphs  change  yellow  and  some  LFS  call  them  yellow  morphs/golden  morphs.  I  happened  to  grow  a  group  of  6  in  my  malawi  setup  and  left  with  only  one  male  and  two  females  now.  It  also  made  life  miserable  for  some  sharks  that  were  kept  when  the  blue  morphs  were  very  small.                

 
 yes  your  right  about  the  tank  and  the  blue  morphs  chichild  ,  i  have  a  few  naughty  fishes  in  my  tank,  they  even  tear  the  tail  of  my  oscar  .  the  naught  fishes  i  have  are  2  auaratus  chichild  one  very  big  &  one  avg  size  ,  one  blue  morph  ,  a  pair  of  scat  ,  a  sea  Angel  (Naughtiest)  and  my  latest  a  jewel  chichild  it  is  a  small  fish  but  it  swallows  the  feeding  fishes  that  i  leave  in  my  tank  for  oscars.  i  bought  them  just  because  they  look  beautiful  and  now  i  regret  .
 will  soon  buy  a  tank
 
 thanks  for  your  suggestions  sandeep  &  all  other  friends
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