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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Dear  guys,
 
 For  the  past  few  days  I  found  that  the  scales  on  my  gold  fish  is  protruding  ,I  mean  that  the  scales  are  not  sticking  to  the  body  and  now  for  the  past  two  days  he  is  swimming  upside  dow.  Can  yo  guys  help  me  out  in  this  regard.
 
 My  tank  size  is  3ft  *2ft  *11/2ft.  I  have  10  gold  fishes  of  medium  size  in  it.  I  feed  them  with  dry  worms  and  high  red.
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Ramanan...  Cheer Up  
 
 Treet  with  some  rock  salt  &  tetramycine  anti  biotic  tabs...  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Too  much  of  dry  food  can  cause  problems  with  swimbladders  of  fish  and  it  can  cause  problems.
 10  goldfish  is  too  much  in  a  tank  of  tis  size.
 Cut  down  on  feeding,  put  in  some  rock  salt.  Feed  them  lettuce  or  other  green  vegetables.
 Please  do  not  use  antibiotics,  unless  you  are  sure  as  to  what  are  you  treating,  indescriminate  use  of  antibiotics  will  upset  your  nitrogen  cycle  and  problems  will  multiply.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Hi
 
 This  is  a  case  of  swimbladder  problem  indeed  and  as  Sandeep  indicated  it  is  caused  due  to  dry  food.
 All  Goldfishes  are  prone  to  Swimbladder  disorders  if  given  dry  food  for  long  periods.  This,  at  times  could  be  irreversible.
 You  could  switch  to  greens  like  letuce  for  some  time.  
 In  future,  whenever  you  give  dry  food,  please  soak  the  food  for  5  mins.,  in  a  small  cup  with  tank  water  and  then  feed  your  fish.  
 
 Venkateswaran  V.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Sandeep,
 
 
                                                 
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Too  much  of  dry  food  can  cause  problems  with  swimbladders  of  fish  and  it  can  cause  problems.  10  goldfish  is  too  much  in  a  tank  of  tis  size.  Cut  down  on  feeding,                

 
 I  agree  with  you..  Smile   but  what  about  treating  with  rock  salt  +  any  antibiotic  &  50%  water  change  daily...??  Dont  you  think  this  will  solve  his  problem..Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Swim  bladders  problems  are  not  always  due  to  bacterial  infections.
 When  too  much  of  dry  food  is  given  to  goldies,  it  tends  to  swell  in  their  stomachs  and  upsets  their  swimbladders.
 Exotic  goldfish  have  naturally  defective  swimbladders,  loinheads  without  dorsal  fins  and  other  fatter  goldfish  are  espicially  prone  to  swimbladder  problems.
 If  you  know  what  disease  is  affecting  your  goldfish,  go  ahead  and  use  narrow  base  antibitic,  but  broad  spectrum  anitbiotics  should  not  be  used.
 Salt  and  veg  food  are  first  line  of  treatment.
 If  it  does  not  work  isolate  the  fish  in  a  hospital  tank  and  THEN  PUT  ANTIBIOTIC.
 Please  do  not  use  antibitic  in  main  tank,  that  is  the  worse  thing  you  can  do,  
 (1)you  subject  all  fish  to  effects  of  antibiotic,  make  them  resistant  to  that  particular  antibiotic  and  then  they  won't  repsond  to  antibiotic  when  they  actually  need  it  
 (2)  You  kill  all  nitrifying  bacteria  and  your  tank  will  start  cycling  again,  and  everybody  knows  what  that  means.
 THE  ONLY  TREATMENT  THAT  NEEDS  TO  BE  DONE  IN  MAIN  TANK  IS  FOR  ICK  ONLY,  FOR  ALL  OTHER  MEDICIATIONS  USE  HOSPITAL  TANK  OR  A  BUCKET.
 
 Hope  it  helps
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Dear  Guys
 
 Thankyou  very  much  for  the  prescription.
 
 
 Regards
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Hi  Ramanan,
 Upside  down  Goldfish  is  related  either  to  swim  bladder  or  internal  bacterial  disease,in  most  cases  you  tend  to  loose  the  fish.It  is  a  fact  that  dry  pellets  is  one  of  the  cause  for  this  problem,soak  all  pellets  for  about  10  minutes  before  feeding,stick  to  veggie  diet  and  homemade  gel  feed  followed   by  regular  water  change(75%  twice  a  week  would  be  ideal)This  will  keep  your  goldies  nice  and  safe
 with  warm  regards
 Shishir  Kamat
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Hi
 
 Sorry  to  bore  anyone
 
 If  the  scales  protrude  then  it  is  called  dropsy  and  can  be  caused  by  parasites,bad  bacteria,virus,
 temperature  shock,  toxic  water.
 I  had  a  problem  similar  to  yours  and  lost  my  Oranda  goldfish  (>  3  years  old).
 I  must  have  visited  100's  of  websites  trying  to  find  out  why  &  how  to  prevent  it.
 Have  a  look  at  the  following  site  for  any  further  info.
   [web]http://www.marquette.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/home.html[/web]
 
 I  agree  wit  sandeep  about  too  much  fish  in  the  tank.  According  to  most  of  the  web  sites  you  need  at  least  10  gallons  (+/-  40  Litres)  per  goldfish  to  keep  them  healthy.  
 
 Also  check  levels  of  ammonia,  nitrite,  nitrate.  High  nitrate  levels  over  a  long  period  can  decrease  the  immune  system.
 
 I  use  a  syringe  (no  needles  please)  to  get  the  air  out  of  the  pellets  or  any  dry  food.
   
 1)Place  some  pellets  into  syringe  and  put  the  plunger  back  in.  
 2)Suck  up  some  water  from  your  tank  into  the  syringe.  
 3)Turn  the  syringe  upside  down  so  that  the  tip  faces  upward.  
 4)Push  out  the  air.  
 5)Once  the  air  is  out  put  a  finger  tightly  over  the  tip.
 6)Pull  the  plunger  back  (it  creates  a  vacuum.  Air  goes  out  of  the  pellets  n  water  goes  in)
 7)Repeat  step  4-6  about  2  more  times  
 8)pull  out  plunger  and  pour  pellets  into  the  tank
   
 You  will  notice  that  the  pellets  sink  
 Sounds  complicated  but  it  isn't  .  Tanks  only  bout  a  minute
 (got  the  idea  from  a  Sera  newsletter)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Bang  on  with  the  idea  for  making  the  pellets  waterlogged,  bigfish.  I  too  have  been  using  that  method  for  ages  and  it  works  really  really  well.  Another  simpler  method  is  to  float  the  pellets  in  ta  bowl  of  water  till  they  swell  and  then  just  squeez  them  between  your  fingers  -  immediate  sinking  pellets!!
 
 Swimming  upside  down  is  not  a  prominent  feature  of  dropsy  is  it?  Anyway  the  treatment  will  be  the  same  isnt  it?  Dont  want  to  start  a  rant  now...  so  I'll  let  this  be.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 deepesh  U  r  right  about  the  swimming  not  being  a  prominent  feature  of  dropsy.  Floating  upside  down  is  normally  a  problem  with  the  swim  bladder.  Because  of  the  egg  shape  of  lionheads  &  orandas  they  have  a  distorted  swim  bladder  and  do  tend  to  suffer  from  floating  problems.  Some  people  soak  the  food  for   a  few  minutes  before  feeding  so  that  the  food  doesnt  expand  in  the  fish  disgestive  system.  Some  even  feed  soft  peas  (take  out  the  covering)  &  claim  the  floating  problems  go  away.
 
 Admin
 It  would  be  good  if  any  poster  would  be  required  to  post  details  such  as  
 1)  Tank  History  (how  long  the  tank  has  been  set  up,  how  many  fish  at  the  start,  added  new  fish  etc  etc)
 2)  Temperature  of  the  tank
 3)  Levels  of  ammonia,  nitrite,  nitrate  
 4)  Make  of  food  used  ,how  often  fed,  amount  fed.
 5)  Filtration  used  (under  gravel  or   power  filter  &  how  litres  per  hour  etc  etc)  
 6)  Water  (How  often  changed  ,type  of  water  used,  additives  etc  etc  etc)
      
 Goldfish  are  notoriously  messy  (  eat  too  much  and  shit  too  much).  I  put  my  goldies  on  a  diet  1  day  every  week  
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Abnormal activity of my lion head gold fish Reply with quote

 Having  the  same  problem...the  lionhead  is  swimming  upside  down,  always  at  the  surface.  Am  following  the  advice  here,  will  let  you  know  if  he  gets  ok.  So  far,  I  have  put  him  in  a  hospital  tank  with  airstone,  added  some  rock  salt  and  epson  salt,  and  change  30%  water  every  3  days.  Have  not  fed  him  for  over  24  hours.  Plan  to  give  him  some  palak  or  peas  if  he  shows  some  improvement.
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 Sadly,  the  Lionhead  died  though  I  tried  my  best  :-(
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