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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: brackish water setups Reply with quote

 Hi  all,
 
 Does  anyone  keep  a    brackish  water  biotope.  I  am  thinking  of  starting  one  .  Possible    tank  size:  150  litres,  Filtration  :  AC  200  x  2  ,    Substrate  :  river  sand
 Lots  of  driftwood    to  imitate  mangrove  roots.  Rounded  river  stones  scattered  around.  
 
 Any  one  using  grape  vine  roots  as  driftwood.  They  are  popular  in  amazon  setups  as  they  look  like  submerged  roots..  They  are  the  best  looking.  Can  the  bangalore  guys  help.  Maybe  the  Grover  vineyard  needs  to  be  raided.
 
 Almost  no  plants.  Except  for  java  fern  nothing  survives  the  salinity  it  seems.  Any  ideas?
 
 Inhabitants  :  Monodactylus  argentus(  Golden  mono)  ,  Scats,  Swordtails,  Mollies,  Guppies.  I  already  have  all  of  these  in  FW  setups.
 
 It  will  be  a  colorful  and  lively  tank.
 
 Great  link  attached  for  reference.  http://badmanstropicalfish.com/brackish/brackish.html
 
 I  think  Biotope  aquariums  are  great.  A  authentic  piece  of  nature  in  your  living  rooms  is  simply  great.
 
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 :DHi  narendra!Nice  to  know  someone  who  likes  biotopes!You  can  also  try  to  add  archerfish  to  your  tank.If  you  have  space  for  species  tanks,its  worth  collecting  halfbeaks,bumble  bee  gobies,and  puffers(in  species  tanks).At  lower  salinity,amazon  swords  will  also  survive.You  may  also  be  able  to  keep  orange/green  chromides.Please  post  pics  of  your  B.water  tanks!  Smile
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 hi  GUYS,
 
 Isn't  the  best  part  of  fishkeeping  ,  the  planning  and  buying  the  necessary    items?  Doing  up  the  reading  on  Brackish  setups  and  downloaded  a  nifty  calculator  for  the    Salinity  ,Sp  gravity    issues.  Picked  up  some  very  old  driftwood  and  some  small-medium  size  pebbles.  I  am  thinking  of  doing  the  back  wall  completely  of    small  /medium  pebbles.  I  was  amazed  to  know  with    all  this  rain  harvesting  business  some  very  good  graded  smooth  river  pebbles  are  every  where.  Picked  up  75  kilos  on  the  ECR    from  a  nursery.
 
 I  plan  to  dump  2  tubes  of  silicone  on  the  glass  and  stick  the  pebbles.  That  will  give  me  a  river  bank    effect  .  
 
 Thanks  murthy  for  the  inputs.  actually  i  did  not  think  chromides  .  thanks  for  the  tip.
 
 will  keep  everyone  posted
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 Hi  Buddy,
 The  setup  you've  got  in  mind  sounds  great.      One  more  addition  is  if  you  are  going  for  Scats  they  need  Magnessium  suphates  that  is  available  in  medical  stores  by  the  name  epsom  salt  for  better  health.
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 Very Happy  .  Thanks  Madhu  for  the  encouragement.    for  MGSO4    ,  do  we  add  this  to  increase  KH  or  as  Medication.  I  was  also  reading  that  if  Scats  are  kept  With  FW  fishes  they  need  urea  in  their  diet.  That  is  because  by  nature  they  are  "SCAT  eater"  .  Ever  heard  of  this  ,and    is  this  true.
 
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 Hi  Nagendra,
                                             Many  of  our  toilets  in  some  of  our  coastal  areas  and  islands  still  dump  the  stuff  into  the  sea  or  backwaters.  In  fact  the  old  toilets  were  built  as  close  to  the  banks  as  possible.  I've  Seen  hundreds    of  Scats  hang  around  the  area  where  it  drains  out.
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 Hi  Venkatramani,
 Yeah!  heard  and  read  about  the  Scat-Urea  theory  but  not  yet  seen.    But  it  is  supposed  to  be  true.
 Regarding  Magnessium  sulphate,  in  the  wild  Scats  have  evolved  in  hard  water,  not  calcium  hardness  but  magnessium  hardness.    You  would  have  heard/seen  high  mortality  rates  in  Scats  in  aquariums  and  lack  of  magnessium  hardness  is  the  widely  accepted  reason.    Of  course  epsom  salt  is  used  as  a  medication  too,  but  scats  require  them  for  hardness.
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 hi  all,
 
   Any    catfish  suggestions  ?.  Something  that  can  tolerate  the  salinity  ,  not  grow  too  big  and  keep  the  bottom  clean.
 
 people  talk  about    colombian  silver  shark  but  i  am  not  sure  of  its  availability.  what  about  our  indian  species.?
 
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 Hi  ,
                                 I've  found  Catfish  in  the  same  brakish  waters  along  with  scats    and  puffer  fish.  Catfish,  Scats  and  puffer  fish  have  more  or  less  the  same  diet.  I  don't  think  its  a  good  idea  to  keep  catfish  in  our  aquariums  since  the  fish  grow  fast  eat  a  lot  and  are  messy.  Catfish  also  have  venomous  glands  and  have  to  be  handled  with  care.  The  tachysurus  jella  and  plotosus  anguillaris  are  the  common  ones  found  in  our  brakish  and  salt  waters.
 
 Some  of  our  interesting  local  brakish  water  fish  you  could  think  about.
 
 The  Ceylon  angel  -  Monodactylus  argenteus  also  commonly  known  as  Mono  is  a  silvery  estuarine  fish  with  a  flat  body.
 
 The  Archer  fish  -  Toxotes  Jaculator  with  the  remarkable  ability  to  bring  down  flying  insects  by  shooting  out  well  aimed  drops  of  water  from  the  mouth.
 
 The  Puffer  /  Globe  fish  -  tetrodon  fluviatilis  Can  puff  itself  up  like  a  balloon.
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 hi  ,
   I  am  looking  for  "home  remedies  "  to  cure  driftwood.  I  want  to  kill  all  infestation  ,  snails  ,    fungal  spores.  The  wood  itself  is  part  of  some  submerged  log  and  was  avialable  at  my  LFS.  I  was  told    to  soak  it  for  a  week  and  use  it.  it  was  very  dry  and  heavy  .
 
 I  am  not  sure  whether  a  week  in  water  is  enough.  it  will  leach  out  the  tannins  but  do  nothing    for  the  infestation  if  any..
 
 I  have  seen  a  remedy  as  follows  .  
 
 Add  baking  soda  1  kilo  per  100  liters  and    see  PH  rise  to  8.2  .  After    1  week  in  this  water  Add  300  grams  of  NaOH    per  100  liter  .  The  PH  will  rise  to  13.5  and  all  living  organism  will  be    destroyed.  Replace  all  water  and  add  hydrogen  peroxide  to  kill  all    fungal  spores.  
 
 Soak  for  2  more  week  in  fresh  water  and  use.
 
 Any  simpler  suggestion  please?
 
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 Can  a  piece  of  wood  from  any  tree  be  used  as  driftwood???
 And  is  there  any  other  simpler  way  to  disinfect  it  and  make  it  suitable  for  aquariums???
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 Soaking  the  wood  in  hot  water  and  then  treating  with  potassium  permanganate  would  be  simple.    I  use  this  to  treat  all  my  woods.
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 Madhu  Wrote:                                                  
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 use  this  to  treat  all  my  woods                

 Which  ones?
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 I  agree  ,  madhu  ,  that  potasium  permanganate  will  kill  all  the  living  things  .  But  it  does  not  destroy    or    melt  away  the  shells  ,  or    deep  wood  boring  insects    etc.  Only  a  very  alkaline    solution  will  do  that  .
 
 Secondly  what  is  the  dosage  for  the  KMnO4  .  Do  we  simply  mix  a  dark  purple  solution  ?    It  is  also  a  powerful  oxidator  which  will    lose  its  potency  quickly  ,    which  means  we  need  to  keep  topping  up  till  the  wood  is  cured  fully?  
 
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 Hey  all!  I'm  not  sure  if  all  kinds  of  wood  can  be  used(fear  of  toxic  sap),but  I  have  used  the  following:Ashoka  tree  wood,guava  tree  wood,coffee  wood.Infact  I  would  suggest  you  try  to  feed  a  cow  the  leaves  first...if  the  cow  does  not  hesitate  to  eat  it,  it  should  be  safe(  :lol:  approach  the  cow  at  your  risk!!)
 Virtually  any  desirable  piece  of  wood  can  be  freshly  cut  from  the  branch.The  outer  bark  has  to  be  peeled  of,as  this  will  quicken  the  process  of  curing  the  wood.Dont  try  to  dry  the  wood,instead  put  in  a  large  container  of  water.All  the  sap  of  the  wood  will  leach  out.You  may  also  observe  a  white  cotton  growth  on  the  surface.....thats  nothing  but  bacteria  feasting  on  the  nutrients  leaching  out.let  the  bacteria  do  its  stuff.At  least  a  month(thicker  wood  longer).There  is  no  need  to  disinfect  the  wood,as  terrestrial  wood  hardly  carries  any  aquatic  pathogens(especially  fresh  cut  wood).Infact  freshly  cut  wood  is  highly  nutritious  for  plecos,and  other  catfish  that  like  to  nibble  on  wood.(just  dont  try  this  on  expensive  plecos.....try  it  out  first  with  the  humble  suckermouth  catfish)  Very Happy  this  stuff  has  worked  for  me  with  atleast  three  different  pieces  of  wood.I  still  add  a  disclaimer,dont  risk  curing  fresh  wood  in  your  display  tank.
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