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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Hey  All,
 
 I'm  not  sure  if  this  topic  was  discussed  here  earlier.  But,  still  i  appreciate  any  guidance  on  the  proper  usage  of  Indian  Almond  Leaves.  I  heard  that  it  is  called  as  "Poor  Man's  Aquarium  Water  Conditioner".  
 
 I've  never  used  this  so  far,  inspite  of  its  availabilty  in  plenty  for  few  doubts  on  the  usuage.  Can  some  one  guide  me  with  the  proper  usage  of  this.  
 
 Here  are  my  questions
 
 1)  Is  Ketapang  Leaf,  Indian  Almond  Leaves  &  Catappa  Leaves  one  and  all  same.  Is  it  the  same  almond,  we  find  plenty  in  south  India  (as  many  local  people  call  it  badam  tree).  I  guess  it  is  available  in  every  part  of  india.  
 
 2)  What  stage  of  the  leaves  should  be  considered  for  usage  in  aquarium
 Tender  green  leaves  /  Green  leaves  /  Ripen  eaves  /  or  Dried  leaves
 
 3)  Is  there  any  standard  numbers  ,  like  1  or  2  leaves  per  small  tank  (upto  30  or  40  gallons).  And  how  often  should  i  replace  the  leaves.
 
 4)  And  ,  where  should  i  place  them  in  the  tank,  just  let  them  float  in  the  tank,  or  inside  the  filter  media,  or  stuck  them  under  the  gravel  bed.  Wont  fish  tear  them  off,  and  make  the  tank  dirty.  
 
 5)  All   i  heard  is  it  is  ideally  good  for  every  fish  tank,  and  many  betta  rearers  use  them.  Can  this  leaves  be  used  in  every  tropical  fish  tank?.  And  how  about  cichlid  tanks.  
 
 Oh  yes,  I  left  my  most  important  question.  Here  is  that........
 
 6)  What  is  the  real  benefit  of  this?.  Is  this  a  germ  killer,  or  just  a  water  purifier?.  Does  it  reduce  ammonia  /  or  nitrate?.  Does  it  make  variations  to  ph  level.  
 
 7)  &  the  last  skeptical  doubt.  Does  it  turn  the  water  cloudy  /  brownish  /  or  greenish.  Or  does  it  stink  bad?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Hey  here  are  a  few  answers  that  at  least  i  know  
 
 
                                                 
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 I'm  not  sure  if  this  topic  was  discussed  here  earlier.  But,  still  i  appreciate  any  guidance  on  the  proper  usage  of  Indian  Almond  Leaves.  I  heard  that  it  is  called  as  "Poor  Man's  Aquarium  Water  Conditioner".  
 ?                

 Yes  indeed  its  a  poo  mans  water  Conditioner
 
 
 
                                                 
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 1)  Is  Ketapang  Leaf,  Indian  Almond  Leaves  &  Catappa  Leaves  one  and  all  same.  Is  it  the  same  almond,  we  find  plenty  in  south  India  (as  many  local  people  call  it  badam  tree).  I  guess  it  is  available  in  every  part  of  india.  
 
 ?                

 Both  are  almond  leaves  and  they  are  from  different  regions,  Both  have  similar  properties,  So  we  can  use  any  one.
 
 
 
                                                 
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 2)  What  stage  of  the  leaves  should  be  considered  for  usage  in  aquarium
 Tender  green  leaves  /  Green  leaves  /  Ripen  eaves  /  or  Dried  leaves
 ?                

 
 Dried  leaves  should  be  used,  clean  off  the  murk  and  citters  rinse  it  thoroughly  soak  them  in  water  for  a  few  days  and  then  put  them  in  your  aquarium.
 
 
                                                 
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 3)  Is  there  any  standard  numbers  ,  like  1  or  2  leaves  per  small  tank  (upto  30  or  40  gallons).  And  how  often  should  i  replace  the  leaves.
 ?                

 
 I  use  1  in  my  50G  tank  and  i  feel  thats  suffitient
 
 
                                                 
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 4)  And  ,  where  should  i  place  them  in  the  tank,  just  let  them  float  in  the  tank,  or  inside  the  filter  media,  or  stuck  them  under  the  gravel  bed.  Wont  fish  tear  them  off,  and  make  the  tank  dirty.  
 ?                

 
 I  float  them  in  my  tank.  Try  tearing  one  of  the  soaked  ones  by  your  slef  you  would  know  the  answer.
 
 
                                                 
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 5)  All  Â i  heard  is  it  is  ideally  good  for  every  fish  tank,  and  many  betta  rearers  use  them.  Can  this  leaves  be  used  in  every  tropical  fish  tank?.  And  how  about  cichlid  tanks.  
 ?                

 
 To  my  limited  knowledge  this  should  be  fine  for  all  tropical  fishes.
 
 
 
                                                 
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 6)  What  is  the  real  benefit  of  this?.  Is  this  a  germ  killer,  or  just  a  water  purifier?.  Does  it  reduce  ammonia  /  or  nitrate?.  Does  it  make  variations  to  ph  level.  
 ?                

 
 These  have  many  anti  bacterial  properties  which  benifit  the  fish.  Also  i  have  heard  that  this  woudl  acidify  the  water  and  maintain  the  PH  in  the  neutral  to  acidic  range  
 
 
                                                 
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 7)  &  the  last  skeptical  doubt.  Does  it  turn  the  water  cloudy  /  brownish  /  or  greenish.  Or  does  it  stink  bad?                

 
 It  does  not  turn  water  cloudy  but  might  give  you  a  slight  brownish  colour...  And  should  not  stink.
 
 
 Hope  this  have  answered  your  queries.
 
 Raghu
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Thanks  Raghu,
 
 Your  reply  is  very  useful  and  with  complete  answers.  
 
 Can  we  use  ripen  leaves  (green  turning  purplie  /  orange  or  yellow)  ,  which  can  plucked  from  the  tree  before  that  fall  down  and  turn  dry.  Or  should  we  pick  the  dry  leaves  that  are  perfectly  brown  /  grey.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 This  might  help  you  too.
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=44
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

                                                   
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Thanks  Raghu,
 Can  we  use  ripen  leaves  (green  turning  purplie  /  orange  or  yellow)  ,  which  can  plucked  from  the  tree  before  that  fall  down  and  turn  dry.  Or  should  we  pick  the  dry  leaves  that  are  perfectly  brown  /  grey.                

 
   I  would  prefer  the  ones  that  have  fallen  off  the  tree.  
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

                                                   
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 I  would  prefer  the  ones  that  have  fallen  off  the  tree.                

 As  Raghu  says,  fallen  leaves  are  better  since  I  read  somewhere  that  these  tree  border  lots  of  tropical  rivers  and  fishes  inhabiting  these  rivers  gets  benefited  by  dried/old  leaves  which  fall  from  the  tree  into  the  river.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Hi  all
 
 Is  this  applicable  for  only  Almond  tree  or  any  nut  tree  (not  coconut  of  course).  I'm  not  sure  about  almond  in  Kolkata   but  plenty  of  banana  plants  are  there.  Can  I  use  them  in  my  tank?  It  is  a27  Gal  tank  having  24  neon  12  mountain  minnow  12  glow  light  tetras.  I'm  using  supply  water.  it  ia  farely  hard  water  with  lot  of  iron  in  it.  all  our  floor  clothes  get  a  reddish  colour  due  to  that.  Please  also  advice  about  quantities  to  be  used.  
 
 Thanks  in  anticipation
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Hi  Aditi
 
 Although  banana  leaves  are  not  used  by  the  main  body  of  aquarists,  I  would  like  to  mention  that  Thai  betta  keepers  often  use  a  strip  of  banana  leaf  in  the  hospital  tanks  (jars  actually)  when  their  bettas  get  injured  in  fights.
 
 However  I  must  say  that  I  am  NOT  aware  of  banana  leaves  being  used  instead  of  Indian  Almond  leaves  in  aquaria  proper  and  therefore  am  not  in  a  position  advocate  the  use  of  banana  leaves.
 
 The  current  theory  is  that  the  leaves  contain  tanins  that  leach  into  the  water  and  help  the  fish  develop  a  better  mucus  coat.  There  is  obviously  more  to  it.  Almost  all  shed  leaves,  regardless  of  origin,  contain  tanins.  I  am  curious  it  there  are  other  species  of  trees  that  have  the  same  effect.  Anybody  got  any  information?
 
 Also  would  like  to  know  how  did  people  come  to  know  about  the  beneficial  effect  of  Indian  Almond  leaves.  
 
 If  the  tanin  theory  is  correct,  it  is  obviously  better  to  use  leaves  that  have  been  shed  as  trees  concentrate  tanins  is  leaves  that  are  about  to  be  shed.  Using  green  leaves  just  results  in  the  leaves  rotting  in  the  tank  while  providing  low  amounts  of  tanins.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Compleatly  agree  with  Deepesh.
 
    There  was  a  thread  from  Frank  asking  about  the  same  questions  on  this.  Will  have  to  dig  the  thread  out.  Which  contains  more  info  on  what  leaves  to  be  used  which  have  medicinal  values.
 
   Note  that  Almond  leaves  not  only  release  tannins  but  also  release  a  lot  of  anti  bacterial  chemicals  that  kill  insects  and  worms.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Interesting  thread.  a  few  months  back  when  we  deepend  the  well  in  the  village,  the  water  was  a  little  hard  and  the  mason  dropped  a  few  large  buckets  of  bark  and  some  logs  from  the  Gooseberry  (amla)  tree  and  beleive  it  or  not  the  water  quality  improved!  
 
 I  think  this  native  wisdom  must  be  more  than  just  a  fad...  interestingly,  both  banana  and  almond  tree  leaves  are  used  as  plates,  i  have  seen  the  almond  tree  leaves  fashioned  into  small  cups.  perhaps  there  is  a  link  here  as  well.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Deepesh  &  Raghu  
 
 Are  the  seeds  (nuts)  black  in  colour  and  fruit  are  big  and  red  in  colour  when  totally  matured?  Can  you  post  a  pic  of  that  leaf  and  plant  ?  
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Aditi,
   No  they  are  not,  Badam  would  look  like  goldish  skin  nut  with  white  contents  inside.
 
   May  be  the  next  time  i  gulp  in  a  Badam  i  will  try  to  post  a  pic  of  Almond/  Badam,  And  for  the  leaf  i  will  post  it  soon.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 hi  here  is  a  pic  *   for  your  refrence   
 
 
 
 *  have  the  pic  with  me  since  a  long  time  and  is  copied  from  the  net..and  sorry  if  the  pic  belongs  to  someone..  and  have  no  permission  for  using  it..  i  can  delete  it  if  there  are  any  problems..
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 Aditi
 
 This  is  what  we  call  kath(wood)  badam  in  Bengal.Ideal  for  soft  water  fishes.I  have  been   using  it  for  quite  a  long  time  and  helps  in  breeding  small  barbs  and  tetras  as  it  softens  the  water.
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: Re: How to do Water Conditioning with Almond Leaves Reply with quote

 i  have  been  using  them  too..intially  the  leaves   will  float(  for  few  days)  and  during  this  time  period,  the  tanin  content  is  released.  but  after  sometime  leaves  starts  to  sink  down,  gets  darker  in  colour  and  no  more  tanin  content.  so  time  to  change  to  a  new  one.
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