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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tank Reply with quote

 Hi  all...  first  of  all  my  heart  felt  thanks  for  the  members  who  gave  me  input  for  C02kit...  I  have  already  got  in  touch  with  Suresh  who  was  very  helpful.  Thanks  you  so  much  Suresh.  Now  coming  back  to  this  particular  post...  My  tank  specifications  are  as  follows  8ft  long,  2.5ft  high  and  1.5ft  wide.  I  am  on  the  process  of  revamping  my  tank  setup  and  I  need  suggestions  as  regards  Lighting,  Nutrients  needed  and  the  substrate  mix.  
 
 Right  now  am  using  4  Philips  daylight  tube...  most  of  would  be  shocked  to  hear  this  I  know....  well  its  only  recently  I  started  researching  about  the  setup  required  for  planted  tanks  and  have  come  to  know  that  I  need  at  least  2.5-3w  per  gallon.  Can  anyone  suggest  me  the  ideal  set  of  lighting  I  should  be  using  either  through  additional  tubes  or  completely  replacing  them  via  metal  halides..  The  only  thing  I  am  worried  with  using  the  metal  halide  is  I  have  a  tank  hood  and  to  install  the  lighting  under  the  hood  would  increase  the  heat  level  in  the  tank.  I  am  attaching  a  recent  picture  of  my  tank...  so  that  you  can  have  a  better  idea...
 
 I  also  have  never  used  any  kind  of  nutrient  nor  co2  to  supplement  plant  growth...  But  the  plant  remained  mostly  healthy  for  6  months…  I  will  later  post  a  picture  of  the  tank  at  the  peak  of  its  time  when  I  can  get  hold  my  archived  pic’s.  
 
 I  have  done  some  research  through  this  forum  and  have  come  across  this  PMDD  "Add  80  gm  of  K2SO4  and  35  gm  of  KNO3  with  the  1  heaped  tablespoon  of  Microsol-B  and  the  35  gm  of  MgSO4  to  one  litre  of  water  and  dose  1  ml  daily  per  280  litres.  In  4-5  months  add  weekly  dosing  of  1/2  spoon  of  K2SO4  if  symptoms  of  potassium  deficiency  appears  would  be  extra  to  the  80  grams  that  is  already  there  in  the  1  litre  mix".  
 
 So  in  effect  I  would  have  to  prepare  a  PMDD  based  on  this  and  add  3ml  of  the  mixture  daily  for  my  800  litre  tank  just  after  light  switch  of  right?.  I  am  not  going  to  start  of  with  this  straightly  I  just  wanted  to  acquire  the  necessary  things  and  plan  to  start  application  only  after  2-3  weeks  after  setting  up  the  tank.  
 
 As  regards  the  substrate  that  I  should  use  for  my  tank?  Can  anyone  tell  me  what’s  the  best  way  to  go  about  it.
 
 Right  now  am  using  power  2  power  filters....  though  it  sounds  very  funny  I  have  never  had  a  time  when  my  tank  was  dirty.  The  water  is  always  crystal  clear...  I  do  weekly  cleaning  of  the  filter  pads...  that’s  it...  considering  this  is  it  necessary  for  me  to  go  for  a  expensive  canister  filter?
 
 Waiting  for  you  suggestion.  Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Wow,  You  have  a  great  tank.  Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  compliment  trevor....  I  wonder  what  you  would  have  said  when  it  was  in  full  growth  with  30  different  species  of  fish  (  tetra  varities  and  other  small  ones)
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Just  to  add  to  teh  lighting  part  i  am  using  Philips  daylight  tube  4  no:s  each  4ft  long  and  having  40w.  Just  thought  of  inputing  this  so  than  you  can  have  better  idea  of  teh  setup  to  comment  on...
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Right  now  am  using  4  Philips  daylight  tube...  
 
 ideal  set  of  lighting  I  should  be  using  either  through  additional  tubes  or  completely  replacing  them  via  metal  halides..  The  only  thing  I  am  worried  with  using  the  metal  halide  is  I  have  a  tank  hood  and  to  install  the  lighting  under  the  hood  would  increase  the  heat  level  in  the  tank.                  

 
 Hi,
 
 Aquarium  looks  nice,  good  job  â€“  with  all  that  you  didn’t  know  Thumb Up  
 
 About  lighting  up  the  massive  Aquarium  -  MH  needs  to  be  mounted  at  least  18"  from  the  water  surface  to  get  a  proper  light  diffusion,  avoid  over  heating  of  Aquarium  water,  burning  out  &  more.  
 
 Your  best  option  would  be  T5  HO  lamps  that  generate  less  heat,  are  slim  &  last  up  to  5  times  longer  than  regular  T8  lamps.
 
 -  With  T8  you  would  require  close  to  16  lamps  (@36W)  &  replacing  them  every  ~8  Months
 -  With  T5  HO  you  can  do  away  with  10  lamps  (@54W)  &  replacing  them  every  ~3.5  Years
 
 With  either  you  have  options  for  lamp  in  this  range  -  8000K,  6500K  &  4000K.
 
 Feel  free  to  PM  me  if  you  need  the  pricing  for  the  lighting  &  modifications.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Buddy,
 
   Great  tank  dude...  Kepp  up  the  great  work.
   I  would  agree  with  Deepak  on  T5  HO  tubes.  But  i  feel  10  tubes  is  an  overkill,  I  would  say  7-8  tubes  is  more  than  suffitient  if  its  54W  tubes  of  T5  HO  or  T5  HO  Constant.
 
   On  substarte,  I  would  go  with  a  inch  of  laterite  in  the  bottom,  And  may  be  a  inch  to  a  inch  and  a  half  topped  with  Golden  or  Haridwar  river  sand.
 
   On  Filtarion,  Power  filters  are  a  big  no  no  especially  with  Co2  diffused  into  the  tank.  Since  you  would  need  Bio  filtration  i  suppose  you  have  to  go  for  external  cannister  filtarion.
 
 Also  note  that  Co2  diffusion  happens  better  with  a  cannister  than  a  powerful  power  filter.
 
 And  lastly  you  should  not  be  cleaning  the  filters  so  often,  Most  of  us  in  bangalore  do  it  once  in  6  months  to  an  year  i  believe,  But  we  have  cannisters  ruinning.
 
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 I  would  suggest  going  in  for  2  sets  of  4  Phillips  Truelites  (36W  6500K  Cool  Daylights)  initially.  This  should  not  be  a  major  redo-job  because  you  already  have  4  tubes  running.  With  this  kind  of  hood  and  tank,  I  wouldn't  suggest  MH  because  of  the  heat  factor  and  also  that  you  would  require  atleast  three  MH.  This  is  certainly  going  to  increase  tank  temperature.  If  you  are  happy  with  the  growth,  then  you  can  gradually  change  over  to  T5s.  The  Truelites  can  always  be  used  to  light  up  your  home.
 
 Going  in  for  a  pressurized  CO2  setup  is  a  step  in  the  right  direction.  You  may  however  need  two  outlets  to  even  out  the  amount  of  CO2  in  such  a  large  tank.  
 
 One  thing,  I  am  not  sure  though,  is  the  use  of  CO2  and  power  filters.  This  might  defeat  the  purpose  of  having  a  CO2  kit  because  of  the  amount  of  surface  turbulence  that  the  power  filter  would  generate.  You  might  end  up  losing  a  lot  of  the  CO2.  Other  experts,  please  advise.
 
 PMDD  is  available  with  a  lot  of  IAH  members  including  me,  saves  you  the  trouble  of  running  to  every  chemist  and  getting  what  you  need.  Not  expensive,  that's  why  it  is  called  PMDD  (Poor  Man's  Dupla  Drops).
 
 All  the  best  and  welcome  to  IAH.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Hi  Nature  lover...  Do  you  mean  to  day  to  use  8  philips  truleites...  It  was  quite  hard  for  me  to  squeeze  in  the  existing  4  tubes  to  the  tank  hood...  Can  anyone  please  give  me  a  link  where  i  can  see  rufus  co2  regulators...  he  mentioned  that  tehy  are  on  this  site...
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 Hi  Nature  lover...  Do  you  mean  to  day  to  use  8  philips  truleites...  It  was  quite  hard  for  me  to  squeeze  in  the  existing  4  tubes  to  the  tank  hood...  Can  anyone  please  give  me  a  link  where  i  can  see  rufus  co2  regulators...  he  mentioned  that  they  are  on  this  site...
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Nice  tank&  Good  work.  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Hi
 
      Thats  one  HUGE  tank!!  It's  making  me   Very Happy   Very Happy.  Well  now  for  your  lighting  solution  this  is  a  very  debatable  topic,  so  to  make  things  simple  Since  the  heigth  of  your  tank  is  2.5ft  this  limits  your  options  to  two  forms  of  lighting  Metal  Halides  or  the  T5HO.  T5HO  definately  makes  more  sense  over  a  period  of  time.  My  main  issue  with  MH  is  that  its  a  single  kelvin  range  of  lights  some  how  I  have  managed  better  results  with  tubeligths  rather  than  MH,  mind  you  a  lot  of  people  will  differ  from  me  here.
      Looking  at  the  photo  can  say  one  thing  for  sure  if  you  go  for  a  MH  lighting  option  you  will  be  sweating  while  eating  your  food   Smile   Since  it's  in  a  closed  area  will  suggest  you  go  for  the  T5HO  option.  As  for  the  no  of  tubes  depends  on  what  you  wanna  grow  in  this  tank,  I  always  like  to  leave  myself  an  option  of  being  able  to  grow  high  light  plants,  some  how  they  all  look  good!!   Chuckle  ,  I  would  definately  say  10-12  T5HO  tubes,  make  sure  you  get  them  in  a  spread  of  4000k-8000k.You  can  get  in  touch  with  Deepak  he  can  help  you  out.
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

                                                   
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.  Can  anyone  please  give  me  a  link  where  i  can  see  rufus  co2  regulators...  he  mentioned  that  tehy  are  on  this  site...                

 All  the  stuff  in  glass  is  made  by  Rufus.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Hi
 
    As  for  the  Fertilizers  remember  these  are  only  guidelines.  I  would  suggest  that  you  start  with  half  the  recommended  dosage  and  then  increase  it  gardually.  Remember  to  plant  your  tank  heavily,  so  that  if  you  are  adding  anything  extra  in  the  form  of  ferts  or  lights  or  co2,  it  can  be  taken  careoff.  This  is  to  give  yourself  the  cousion  just  in  case  you  have  gone  wrong  somewhere.
      As  for  the  substrate  would  recomend  a  very  simple  preperation  of  1/4th  to  1/2  an  inch  of  red  mud(basically  high  in  laterite  content),used  to  grow  plants  available  in  nurseries,  top  it  with  2-5  inches  of  sand  granule  size  2-3mm.  You  can  add  peat  to  the  red  mud  and  mix  it  well,  But  dont  add  more  than  2-3  handfulls  in  your  tank.
   
   Hope  this  has  helped  if  you  need  anything  else  feel  free  to  call  me  or  PM  me.
 
      Regards
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 Hi,
   I  would  compleatly  agree  to  Harshal,  Get  in  touch  with  Deepak  Brid,  He  can  suggest  you  as  to  how  to  squezee  in  more  tubes  into  the  hood,  Note  that  T5  HO  are  thinner  than  T8  and  hence  i  suppose  you  can  definitely  fit  in  more  tubes,  Also  in  current  days  advanced  technology  there  are  Ballasts  which  can  drive  multi  tubes.
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Lighting + Nutrients + Substarte required for a 800l tan Reply with quote

 This  is  an  imported  one.
 
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