Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
Thank you all for your encouraging words, particularly Neil. He and many others like MItul, Shrey and aditya helped me set up my first discus tank.
I am a novice as far as aquarium plants go, but even I can see that I need to learn a lot in terms of my choice of plants and planting technique. Hopefully, my next tank will be better. So thanks everyone for your suggestions. Yes, more and better background plants will give it a denser, richer look, Thanks for the tip. Anubias on bogwood is a great idea. I am also working on the bog wood idea. I have drilled a 1 inch by 1 inch hole is a nice piece of bogwood and hope to plant some plants in it. BUt I will wait for my discus to stabilise and start growing before I add anything to the bottom. ( I am doing 50% WC daily and feeding goatheart daily)
BTW, I havent used any fertiliser or CO2. 10-12 hours lighting perday with an 80W CFS bulb.
And could someone please tell me where to buy good plants in mumbai? The plants in my tank are from LFS and Gem Aquarist in Chennai (picked up a few on my last trip there)
Answer to some specific questions:
Zeolite â€“ I am using Azoo zeolite. The pack tells me that Zeolite helps lower the PH. Also research on the net tells me that Zeolite has buffering capacity. That simply means that it will step in to suck up any ammonia still left after the plants and the bacteria have sucked up they can. (I am also using PSB bacteriaâ€¦.a liquid that is supposed to promote the growth of beneficial bacteria. My tank was cycled for about a week with old sponge filters.) The zeolite pack tell me I can use this for 40-60 days. I am planning to change it every 30 days. Ordered the Azoo zeolite from petsomania. Seems to be working but will watch closely. KS â€“ anything wrong in using zeolite inside a power filter?
Asitya â€“ yes it is a bull dog (from mitul). My current stock â€“ 1 bull dog blue diamond, 1 ghost, 2 leopard, 2 red passion, 2 red melon, 2 red white (all between 2.5 to 3.5 inches in size). Will reduce stock if I cant upgrade to 75 gallon tank within 2 months. Till then, 50% WC daily.
Cleaning the sand area: Toomanyfishâ€¦.no muck so far in the planted area. Even beefheart sometimes falls on it. But 2 clown loaches doing a good job of cleaning. The loaches arenâ€™t bothering the discus. But I am watching closely. Moreoever, once every ten days or so, I use a gravel cleaner to siphon of the dirt at the top. But have to wait for 3-6 months to see what happens as the tank matures.
GSRKarthick â€“ no way I can remove the sand in the planted area. Gravel vaccum is the best option.
Fishmad â€“ there are no shells in the golden sand I have used.
The u-shaped planted area is a great idea. Another suggestion from Aquadip was to have the partition go up to the full height of the tank. Another variation of this could be potted plantsâ€¦using miniature aquarium bowls as pots for the gravel.
Hope I have answered all questions. Feel free to PM me or call for any queries ( my number is 98335-90619)
I just cant wait to get started on my new bigger thank....I am considering a few sizes
48 inches x 21 x 21
48 x 18 x 21
60 x 21 x21
Any suggestions and advice, especially on a cost-effective stand are most welcome.
But 2 clown loaches doing a good job of cleaning. The loaches arenâ€™t bothering the discus.
Another suggestion from Aquadip was to have the partition go up to the full height of the tank. Another variation of this could be potted plantsâ€¦using miniature aquarium bowls as pots for the gravel.
Its Aquadeep.In addition to what we discussed...
The partition can be permanent with an overflow notch. Use well baked earthen posts - select the pots with a wider opening so as to allow better water circulation to the substrate. Avoid glass or any other non-porous material - the roots will soon start decaying unless you use some thing like plastic containers with holes provided in the base and/or sides.
48x18x18 - 6â€ full height partition along the length & slotting at one side. The partition was not fixed. Filtration from front(Inlet) > back(Outlet) section
I've used this setup with 1â€ Oscars(4) + Silver Dollars(2) in the front section & few Tetras, Kribensis + Tiger Barbs in the rear section with potted plants (red lily, common echinodorous & few other stem plants),
I've also tried is Planted sections on either side. 72x18x18 - 10â€ full height permanent partition along the breath. No filtration equipment in the partitioned sections. Both 10â€ sections were planted with twisted vals + crypts & housed Apisto Borelli, Nanacara + Killifish. Center section had the same Oscars which were in the above Setup & had grown to 6â€.
I had tried this as I wanted to have both Small & Big fish. Plants became an important factor when I started keeping discus. I put them in the planted setup only after they grew to 4â€+, the fish is about 6-7 months old by now.
At ~28 degrees C - you could opt for plants like Java Fern, Windelov, Java Moss, Aponogeton Ulvaceous and Anubias. You could also try other plants that can withstand this temperature.
Unfortunately, Iâ€™ve no pictures to show for the above as this was done way back in 1996. However, Iâ€™ve pictures of the later setup which I had tried in 2000 & looked like this >>
Aquarium size 72â€x18â€x24â€
Pictures are not very clear, but good enough for understanding.
Clown would be NO-NO with Discus. If it works fine for you, well....
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
I had Java Fern, Windelov, Java Moss, Aponogeton Ulvaceous and Anubias(Barteri & Nana). Yes, all are on driftwood â€“ just tie them. They will soon anchor themselves. Except for A.Ulvaceous, the plants do adhere to rough rock, surfaces or wood in their natural habitat.
All the best . With IAH around you stand a better chance of not learning through mistakes .
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
I've ordered a 48 X 21 X 21 (86 gallon tank)! With this one, I am planning to try a detachable (or removable planted area). Basically, a mini 48 x 4 inch (breadth) X 6 inch (heigth) mini aquarium with substrate and plants that will sit inside the main tank. This will make cleaning the gravel, changing plants etc a lot easier.
Well, that means by current tank (27 X 15 X 24) is not up for sale. Any one interested please PM me. I will also post this on the Buy/sell forum.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
Have you considered the weight of the so called detachable aquarium with substrate in it?! Weigh the Proâ€™s & Conâ€™s before you proceed.
Calculate backwards as to how many kgs. of substrate is required to fill it? Glass thickness required? , Most important - Ease of maintenance (lifting the detachable one with considering total weight), risk etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
Thanks deepak. I had considered it...that's why I am planning to make these compartments in acrylic - dimensions will be two pieces of 20 inch length, 4 inch width and 4 inch height. Substrate will be filled up to 3 inches height. Substrate weight will not be more than 5 kgs...i got the idea from my fridge side tray.....i have managed to convince my wife to lend me the tray from the fridge! So I will try it out with a few plants too see how easy mainetance is. and the safety part too......if it works, I will order the acrylic planted compartments.....
my new tanks is almost ready.... will post some pics soon.
and thanks all for your valuable suggestions and corrections.
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
After a long wait, here is an update on Version 2 of my planted, yet bare bottom tank.
I made a glass stand (28 inches length, 5 inch width, and 1.5 inch in height) and placed it inside my new 87 gallon aquarium (48X21X21). On this stand, I placed a lot of drift wood and anubias, jave fern, windolov fern and a couple of other plants (can't id them) acnchored to the drift wood.
When i do a WC, i run the siphon under the stand and suck out any debris. Similarly, its easy to take out the wood and clean the stand as well.
PLease see pictures and comment. The plants are growing well. Lighting is through a 35 watt CFL bulb for about 8 hours a day. No fertilisers. WC is 30%-50% once in 2-3 days. Stocking : 10 juvenile discus (about 3-4 inches), 4 clown loach, 1 male siamese fighter.
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: hybrid discus tank -- Planted, yet bare bottom
I had tried drift wood and anubias, but the beef heart was a real pain cleaning up always, so do consider that before you introduce it, also the color of my discus was not so great, with plants in it, mostly lava fern and anubia on drift wood, in fact before that i had taken red river soil in small pots and had amazonia on it, it looked good and cleaning was so much better as i had to just clean the pots and put them back..
now i am back again with bare bottom tank as it's much easier and better for discuss, let me know if this works with you, i could take cues from you on managing a panted+discus tank as it a dream but a real challenge+time consumer to get it fine..
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