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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Hi  2  All  the  Salt  Gurus,
 
 I  have  this  Problem  and  i  think  i  could  get  the  solution  here  
 
 here  is  my  problem  .....  i  have  this  TANK  which  is  3  X  2  X  1  ---  L  X  H  X  B  i  know  very  small  but  than  as  of  now  i  had  only  that  much  space  and  its  a  SALTWATER  tank  i  have  20KG  of  live  rock  2  clown  fish  and  one  carpet  anemone  ....  now  i  bought  this  carpet  anemone  say  3  weeks  back  and  the  clown  fish  are  not  accepting  the  anemone  as  their  host  ....  what  to  do  ?  is  it  the  colour  of  th  anemone   (  MINE  IS  PINKish  WHITE)  
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 All  clownfish  don't  host  in  all  anemones.  
 Depending  on  the  species  of  clownfish,  they  will  host  in  specific  anemone  species.
 Clownfish  will  do  just  fine  without  an  anemone  though,  so  you  don't  need  to  worry.  
 On  the  other  hand,  its  bad  idea  putting  an  anemone  in  a  new  tank.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Priteshji  finally  you  did  keep  an  anemone!  
 
 Did  he  convince  you?  Anyway,  that  apart,  pradeepji  has  given  a  perfect  answer  and  i  would  just  like  to  remind  what  i  had  told  you  earlier  also  and  what  i  always  stress...
 Anemones  WILL  NOT  SURVIVE  without  high  lighting,  appropriate  feedings,  reef  like  water  conditions,  and  turbulent  waterflow.  
 
 Seriously,  can  you  provide  even  one  of  these?  Yes,  it  will  survive  for  a  'few  months'  at  your  place  without  perfect  conditions,  and  then  it  will  die;  after  which  you  might  get  another  one,  but  always  remember  that  ideally,  anemones  'never  die'.
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 Sorry  guys  if  i  have  started  acting  rude  with  people  keeping  anemones  in  new  tanks,  its  just  that  the  point  always  falls  on  deaf  ears  if  you  are  polite.  THIS  tank  is  one  of  the  examples.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Yoo  Guys  thanx  for  the  reply
 
 @Amod  :  WOOV  i  was  waiting  for  that  reaction  from  you  Bhai,you  are  absoulutely  right  i  fully  understand  and  for  the  lighting  i  have  put  2  tubes  one  is  AZOO  CORAL  BLUE  and  other  one  is  AZOO  SUPER  WHITE.  And  every  month  20  LTRS  water  change  i  doo  and  for  the  TURBULANCE   i  hav  2  powerhead  one  is  of  700  L/ph  and  other  is  750L/ph.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Sorry,  I  was  in  a  hurry  when  I  wrote  the  last  post,  so  it  was  rushed,but  like  Amod  has  posted   an  anemone  is  not  the  ideal  occupant  for  a  new  tank.
 There  are  several  issues  with  keeping  an  anemone  in  a  new  tank,  one  of  which  is;  
 if  it  dies,  it  releases  toxins   which  can  crash  your  tank.
 
 Azoo  Coral  Blue  and  Super  White  are  just  fancy  names  given  to  actinics  and  normal  tubelights,  so  that  LFS  can  charge  more  for  them.  
 For  your  tank  size,  adding  four  more  cool  daylight  3'  tubes  would  give  you  some  amount  of  decent  lighting.  I  say  this,  because  tanks  over  2'  tall  will  invariably  need  metal  halides  or  VHOs.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 @Pritesh,  if  your  clownfish  is  any  other  than  sebae,  saddleback,  skunk  or  black  footed,  do  not  expect  it  to  readily  accept  carpet  anemones.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Hi  Guys,
 
 @  Pradeep  :  Thanx  for  your  valuabel  inputs.  But  than  i  would  like  to  know  if  my  SUPER  WHITE  stops  working  than  according  to  you  i  should  go  for  any  normal  white  lights  ?  
 
 @  Shankar  :  Ahh  Sad  i  have  false  percula's  and  only  2  fishes  in  my  tank  soo  they  dont  have  any  thing  to  be  scared  off  and  soo  they  dont  need  cover.  I  guess  ill  be  patient
 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Yep,  Read  up  about  colour  temperature  
 HERE
 Reef  invertebrates  require  full  spectrum  lighting  and  prefer  Colour  Temperatures  from  6600K  to  20000K.  I  personally  had  good  growth  results  with  6600K  (you  normal  cool  daylight)  but  it  does  cause  algae  problems.  Most  reefers  here  would  suggest  10000K+  lights.
 
 As  for  quantity,  a  thumb  rule  is  3  watts  of  light  per  gallon  of  water.  It  won't  apply  for  all  cases,  including  yours  where  you  have  more  than  20"  of  water  depth.  If  you  can  replace  your  tubes  with  a  150W  metal  halide,  that  should  take  care  of  your  tank  nicely.
 
 EDIT  :And  just  in  case  you  are  interested
 Clownfish  -  Anemone  Compatability
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Clown FIsh Anemone Problem Reply with quote

 Pritesh,
 
 Try  with  one  clown  fish  and  the  anemone.  It  worked  out  for  me.
 
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 @  Pradeep  :  Ahh  Thanx  a  lot  its  like  now  the  next  thing  ill  upgrade  is  to  MH  ...  
 MH  would  also  stop  algae  growth  to  certain  level  ...  Thanx  million  for  the  help  and  as  of  now  i  have  this  red  coloured  thread  like  algae  in  my  tank  ...  seen  it  on  some  GRAINS  of  the  sand.  Dont  have  any  cleaning  crew  in  my  tank.  Any  ways  lets  see  if  MH  Solves  the  prob.  
 
 
 @  ks  :  You  mean  to  say  should  keep  one  clown  and  one  anemone  in  my  tank  rite  but  now  i  dont  have  another  small  tank  to  keep  the  clowns  in  diffrent  tanks  Sad
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 Any  light  with  10000k  and  above  will  decrease  algae  growth,  May  it  be  MH  or  PC  lighting.
 If  you  have  a  MH  with  6500  k  or  below  will  cause  lot  of  algae  growth.
 colour  temperature  of  the  lights  are  the  key  here.
 
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Pritesh,
 
 Try  with  one  clown  fish  and  the  anemone.  It  worked  out  for  me.
 
 KS                

 
 KS,  are  you  sure  this  false  percula  will  accept  the  carpet  anemone?
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 Laluprasad,  I  had  a  single  false  percula  coexisting  with  the  anemone  for  more  than  one  year,  until  i  decided  to  move  them  to  a  bigger  tank.
 
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 Wow  that's  great  KS.  Any  pics  of  earlier  smaller  tank  or  the  bigger  tank  now?  What  lights  did  you  use  for  more  than  a  year  in  the  older  setup?  Hope  your  fasle  percula  remained  unhurt  by  one  of  the  most  powerful  stingers.
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 Thanx  a  lot  its  like  now  the  next  thing  ill  upgrade  is  to  MH.                  

 
                                                 
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MH  would  also  stop  algae  growth  to  certain  level                
 
 
 MH  in  a  closed  hood  is  a  heatbomb  without  exhaust  fans  or  a  chiller.
 Secondly,  the  use  of  a  MH  WILL  NOT  reduce  algae  at  all...
 And  if  you  are  seeing  a  reddish\brownish  kind  of  slimy  thing  on  your  substrate  and  other  decor,  its  most  probably  cyanobacteria.  Make  an  effort  to  understand  WHY  the  algae  appears  in  the  first  place.   
 
 
 
                                                 
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If  you  have  a  MH  with  6500  k  or  below  will  cause  lot  of  algae  growth.
 colour  temperature  of  the  lights  are  the  key  here.                  

 
 6500K  Mh  will  not  cause  algae  at  all.  I  have  been  using  a  150W  bulb  on  a  60x18x18  of  the  same  colour  for  over  a  year  and  haven't  had  ANY  algae  problems  yet.  it  runs  for  around  5-6  hours  a  day...  
 
 Under  strong  lighting(any  spectrum)  if  the  tank  has  ample  nutrients  including  DOA's,  phosphates  and  silicates,  and  if  there  are  no  species  competing  for  those  nutrients  and  no  algae  eaters  around,  thats  when  the  algae\cyano  levels  rise.  Put  a  caulerpa  under  strong  24hrs  lighting  and  have  fun!!
 
 Pritesh,  know  the  animal  first,  provide  for  it  next  and  even  after  that,  think  whether  you  can  keep  it  happy.
 
 Sorry  guys  if  i  have  been  rude  to  people  keeping  anemones  in  new  tanks,  its  just  that  the  point  always  falls  on  deaf  ears  as  long  as  you  are  polite..  THIS  tank  is  one  of  the  examples.
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