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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Hi
 Just  came  accross  this  link
 http://www.knowledgepublications.com/sunshine_to_dollars_google_adwords2.htm?gclid=CNbR8tWEh4cCFSQQQgod6R0bcA
 the  book  talks  about  being  able  to  make  ice  from  a  car  energy  socket.  If  that  can  be  done,  then  our  cooling  problems  are  solved!!  what  do  you  think?
 As  soon  as  I  come  back  I  will  get  it.
 I  will  be  home  on  sunday.  Rock On   Cheering   Drinking
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Kochu  that  is  snake  oil.
 
 The  25  Lb,  Ice  block  weighs  as  much  as  that  child  holding  it,  there's  no  discomfort  on  the  childs  face  either  due  to  the  weight  or  due  to  the  cold  ice  block.
 
 It's  difficult  to  pose  for  a  photograph  with  a  small  ice  cube  in  your  hand,  let  alone  a  child  carry  a  25  Lb  ice  block  AND  pose  for  a  picture.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 apart  from  all  the  picture  story:
 What  exactly  do  you  want  to  do  with  ice  in  a  reef  tank?
 Are  you  planning  a  DIY  chiller?  than  why  not  buy  a  second-hand  fridge  in  the  long  run  it  will  prove  to  be  a  wise  investment!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Hi  Guys,
                  Talking  about  chillers,  Any  thoughts  on  if  we  could  use  water  chillers  ?
 
 There  are  chillers  at  my  office  where  mineral  water  is  used,  It  has  2  taps  one  for  cold  water  and  one  for  hot,  This  would  probably  have  a  small  compressor.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Yes  Rahul,
 You  can  get  it  made  from  a  water  cooler  as  well!  That  is  something  I'm  working  on  presently  but  with  an  entirely  different  concept.  -  See  the  water  cooler  has  a  coil  meant  for  cooling  this  coil  cools  the  water  in  the  small  compartment  that  holds  water  from  the  can  above  -  right?
 Well,  the  chamber  that  holds  the  cold  water  is  so  small  that  the  plastic  tubing  roll  that  passes  the  aquarium  water  through  the  cooling  chamber  cannot  easily  snug  in!  Therefore  you  can  take  advantage  of  an  old  machine  and  use  the  compressor  for  making  a  large  water  holding  chamber  -  because  conductivity  of  water  is  better  than  air  so  the  plastic  tubing  circulating  the  aquarium  water  should  be  immersed  in  cold  water  -  the  best  part  is  that  you  can  even  use  it  as  a  water  cooler!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 An  update  long  overdue!
 This  is  the  top  view  of  the  re-set  tank  -  Enjoy!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Nauzer..  the  pics  are  not  visible.  I  guess  they  must  have  been  moved  to  different  directory  or  may  be  deleted.  Please  update  &  complete  the  thread  with  the  full  pics  shots  of  Poor  Man's  Reef  including  the  pics  of  sump  &  refugium.
 
 Many  many  thanks  to  all  the  person  who  helped  to  make  this  thread  a  must  read  for  any  reefers...  but  I  feel  still  there  are  servel  uncompleted  issue  &  point.  i.e.  Chilling  the  reef.  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 I  use  pc  fans  to  cool  my  reef....works  great....it  has  to  blow  across  the  surface  of  the  lights  /  water....2-4  fans  will  keep  it  cool...but  youll  need  to  add  top  off  water  daily.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

                                                   
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but  I  feel  still  there  are  servel  uncompleted  issue  &  point.  i.e.  Chilling  the  reef                

 That's  for  you  to  figure  out!  I  am  installing  a  chiller  for  my  300  gal.  which  will  be  my  up  comming  project!  WRT,  re-linking  the  pictures  I  will  do  it  shortly  am  not  finding  enough  time  at  the  moment...
 @Lyndon,
 I  guess  you  are  lucky  to  have  a  central  cooling  system  -  I  have  presently  employed  tow  4"  fans  for  my  tank  and  was  able  to  maintain  my  water  temp.  on  the  hottest  summer  days  @  about  30-32*C.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 guys,
 couple  of  point  to  remember  while  using  evaporative  cooling  is  
   Â 1.  Salinity  goes  up  and  down  depending  on  the  amount  of  evaporation.  some  critters  are  very  sensitive  to  salinity  swings.
 2.  Nitrates  etc  etc  goes  up  till  fresh  water  is  added.
 
 Some  of  the  problems  are
 The  metabolism  of  the  critter  becomes  faster  (which  also  promotes  faster  growth  in  corals)  and  oxygen  in  the  water  reduces  as  warm  water  looses  ability  to  kep  oxygen.
 Critters  become  more  prone  to  catching  diseases  due  to  high  metabolic  activity  and  short  life  spans  literally.
 
 heat  is  not  bad  (up  to  reasonable  amount)  if  it  is  consistent.  If  temperatutre  range  fluctuates  2-4C  on  daily  basis  then  it  is  bad.
 
 I  guess  am  just  digging  up  points  everyone  already  knows  but  thot  it  is  important  so  mentioned  Â Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Rocky  bhai
 regarding  chilling  the  tank
 I  can  only  say  one  thing.
 
 Someone  in  one  of  the  earlier  posts  said  that  we  cant  crib  of  reasonable  costs  while  keeping  a  "Coral  Reef".  I  completely  agree  with  this.  Thumb Up  
 
 A  chiller  is  a  fundamental  part  of  a  reef  tank.
 And  these  years  it  is  very  much  a  real  need.  I  notice  that  the  temp  is  generally  35C.  that  is  very  good  if  you  like  invert  soup  Chuckle  
 not  to  mention  high  possibility  of  bacterial  action.  I  think  i  also  read  somewhere  that  high  temp  will  also  effect  oxygen  content  AND  nitrification.
 
 Someone  (admin)  also  mentioned  being  able  to  pull  from  45C  to  25C  using  fans.
 I  am  highly  skeptical  of  this.  ROFL  
 comeon  yar,  that  is  crazy  in  the  very  least.
 a  20C  pulldown???  i  will  bet  anything  to  see  it.
 
 then  i  will  sell  my  blody  chillers  for  half  price  also  Drinking   ROFL  
 because  then  i  will  not  need  them.
 
 Here  is  my  2  bits  on  chillers  DIY
 bar  fridge  (the  saall  100liters  capacity)  cannot  cool  even  100liters  tank  effectively.  reason  being,  fridge  is  made  with  one  purpose  cool  with  NO  heat  ADDITION.
 
 the  bottle  we  keep  in  the  fridge  will  be  cooled  by  the  compressor  since  there  is  no  external  heat  source  to  fight  the  cooling.
 With  all  our  pumps  and  lights  (all  favourite  MH)  adding  substantial  heat,  it  is  not  possible  or  rather  economical  for  the  makeshift  mini  fridge  to  be  an  effective  cooler.
 
 Another  point  to  remember  using  a  chiller  is,  what  happens  when  we  (mumbaites)  face  load  shedding?
 At  this  time  the  temp  will  swing  2+  degrees  if  power  cut  is  4+  hours.
 inverter  (other  than  very  very  powerfull  ones  >  2KVA  will  not  be  able  to  support  decent  chillers  of  quarter  HP  (forget  about  half  HP  ones).
 
 On  the  DIY  part.
 There  was  something  done  here  http://www.killies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1069&highlight=chiller
 actually  posted  by  someone  in  IAH  only  when  i  was  looking  for  the  very  same  thing.
 it  is  good  i  think.  but  needs  lots  of  space.
 
 however  wil  be  more  messy  and  will  cost  almost  the  same  as  the  chiller  would  have  cost.  I  dont  know  why  that  person  wants  to  see  21C  in  his  tank  because  it  is  not  needed.  26  to  28  is  more  than  sufficient  even  for  corals  let  alone  fish.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Fantastic  stuff  ranjith....
 
 you  have  to  be  at  the  top  of  your  game  when  adding  fresh  water  on  a  daily  basis...laziness  will  meet  with  disaster  Smile
 
 Im  leaving  my  tank  for  a  week  as  i  head  to  chennai  for  a  holiday,  ive  asked  a  friend  to  babysit  my  tank...   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 Lyndon
 baap  rey  (read  as  hindi  slang  for  my  god)
 that  was  a  quick  response.  I  was  looking  at  my  own  post  n  saw  your  post   Chuckle  
 
 ya.  absolutely  agree  regarding  the  laziness  part  as  i  am  the  epitome  of  laziness.  will  see  algae  building  up  n  when  too  much  only  take  action.   Chuckle  
 
 Luckily  my  wife  is  a  bit  of  the  concerned  types  so  notices  the  water  levels  n  takes  corrective  action.
 
 in  a  large  tank  of  500+  liters  a  20  liter  addition  of  freshwater  will  not  swing  parameters  much  but  immagine  in  a  nano  of  50  liters  how  much  5  liters  will  do  since  we  hardly  notice  less  than  5  liters  loss.
 
 when  i  go  out  of  home,  i  keep  a  note  of  exact  steps  to  take.
 rest  is  ram  bharosey  in  case  any  equipment  fails  or  some  critter  dies.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 friends,
 what  is  the  cost  we  will  incur  of  a  DIY  chiller  using  a  water  cooler  or  fridge?
 
 not  less  than  5  to  10  K  right?
 for  only  decently  more  we  can  get  a  ready  made  chiller  (chinese  brands)
 assuming  250  liter  tank  size.  right  folks??  Shocked  
 
 we  certainly  add  value  (cost  factor)  to  looks  of  the  chiller  especially  if  it  is  in  the  hall;  immagine  a  big  freezer  (DIY  chiller)  in  the  hall   ROFL  
 
 or  to  the  efficiency  in  long  term.  or  the  space  constraint  or  salt  creepe  which  will  eventually  come.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Poor man's reef Reply with quote

 hahahahaha
 
 A  chiller  here  costs  around  10000  Rupees...doesnt  make  sense  to  DIY  for  that  much...
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