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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Awesome  photography  nanu.   Thumb Up  Hats  off.  
 
 Which  gears  you  are  using  while  taking  Pictures?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 wow  wow  wow!!!   Cheer   Clapping   Cheering  
 you  have  done  a  great  job  man!!  Thumb Up  
 excellent  fries  &  photography  also
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 best  of  luck
 take  much  more  care  to  the  fries  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 hi  nanu!!  give  some  updated  pics  of  your  discus  fries
 we  all  are  waiting  for  it  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 FANTASTIC  Photography  !!!!     Clapping  
 
 Please  keep  the  updates  coming.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Nanu  ,  
 
 You  need  to  take  more  care  of  these  fries  .  Don't  overfeed  BS  or  BH  .  try  to  feed  them  BS  at  regular  interval  -  5  -  6  times  with  small  qty  .  The  batch  is  small  hence  pl  ensure  no  left  over  of  BS.   Left  over  BS  will  get  rotten  and  may  create   problem  to  the  fries  .  Wipe  the  tank  sides  every  day  before  WC  .  
 
 First  four  week  after  free  swimmimg  you  need  to  take  extra  care  of  the  fries  .  
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Rohan:  So  far  so  good  :-)
 
 Ravikiran:  Thanks
 
 Shankar:  I  don't  know  about  the  demand  for  fries  yet,  I  am  just  glad  I  got  this  far,  this  is  the  first  time  they  have  ever  hatched  for  me,  and  I  would  love  to  keep  as  many  as  possible.  
 
 Tirtha:  Thanks  man,  I  am  using  a  normal  point  Canon  SX100IS.
   Its  my  first  Digi,  and  I  am  a  noob  in  taking  pictures,  I  think  I  just  got  lucky  with  those  few.
 The  nice  thing  is  it  has  an  "Aquarium"  Mode,  needless  to  say  what  it  is  for..
 
 
 Shameek  and  Seetharam   :  Thanks  a  lot  and  yes  will  update  it  every  3-4  days  with  pics,  for  as  long  as  they  survive  and  are  with  me.
 
 Shiva  Sir:  I  haven't  been  able  to  source  any  BBS  yet,  I  can't  afford  a  tin.  A  local  breeder  has  promised  me  some
   before  the  weekend  I  hope  that  comes  thru  else  I''ll  have  no  choice  but  to  start  FBW  or  shaved  BH.
 
 They  are  15  days  from  Free  swimming.  
 
 Till  now  they  are  fed  by  their  parents,  but  now  my  female  is  looking  stressed,  by  them  already,
 She  has  developed  a  wound,  which  is  now  healing  over  the  last  2  days,  I  am  still  a  bit  worried  about  it  as  it  had  some  white  stuff  on  the  wound  initially.
 but  now  the  white  stuff  has  gone,  any  clue  what  that  might  be?
 Also  she  has  gotten  a  bit  of  white  marks  on  her  tail,  I  dont  know  what  they  are  but  I  have  up-ed  the  temp  to  31'c  from  28'c,  and  now  they  are  looking  better.
 She  eats  fine  and  swims  fine  and  has  no  other  issues...
 Any  help  on  this  would  be  nice..  
 Can  I  add  salt  to  the  tank  with  fry?  I  dont  want  to  try  and  add  any  other  meds  to  it  as  it  doesnt  seem  that  serious.
 
 The  male  is  doing  much  better  than  her  though  no  sign  of  stress,  and  they  both  share  the  kids  workload  equally.
 
 I  have  been  doing  50%  WC  everyday  with  normal  hard  water  now,  no  more  soft  water  as  it  gets  expensive  to  continue  WC  on  soft  water.
 I  do  wipe  down  the  tank  before  WC.  
 The  famale  hates  me  doing  WC  and  has  several  times  knocked  the  gravel  vac.  
 
 When  will  the  fry  start  to  accept  crushed  Flakes?  or  shaved  BH?
 When  is  it  time  to  remove  the  parents?
 
 BTW.  I  tried  counting  them  they  are  close  to  30  and  I  can  already  see  1  cull  for  sure,  1  with  bent  body.  
 I  just  hope  they  remain  a  minimum.
 
 
 PS.  I  will  post  pics  once  I  get  home  and  take  some,  
 
 Any  advice  would  be  appriciated.
 Thanks  a  lot.
 Cheers,  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

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I  haven't  been  able  to  source  any  BBS  yet,  I  can't  afford  a  tin                
 
 There  is  no  need  for  you  to  buy  a  Tin  ,  you  comes  to  Mumbai  regularly  ,  just  a  phone  call  and  I  could  have  helped  you  with  this  .  why  to  purchase  when  we  are  there  to  help  you  .Not  feeding  the  Brine  Shrimp  to  fries  ,  the  parents  are  at  risk,   more  streess  to  the  parents  (  fries  may  be  continiously  pricking  the  slim  )   .  be  careful  next  time  ,  sometime  due  to  heavy  pricking  and  secoundary  infection  female  succumb  to  infections  and  dies  .  
 
 
                                                 
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They  are  15  days  from  Free  swimming.                

 At  this  stage  ,  I  feed  5  -  7  times  Brine  shrimp  at  every  two  hrs  intervals  ,  to  avoid  heavy  pricking  of  fries  of   slim  .
 
 
                                                 
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Till  now  they  are  fed  by  their  parents,  but  now  my  female  is  looking  stressed,  by  them  already,  
 She  has  developed  a  wound,  which  is  now  healing  over  the  last  2  days,  I  am  still  a  bit  worried  about  it  as  it  had  some  white  stuff  on  the  wound  initially.  
 but  now  the  white  stuff  has  gone,  any  clue  what  that  might  be?  
 Also  she  has  gotten  a  bit  of  white  marks  on  her  tail,  I  dont  know  what  they  are  but  I  have  up-ed  the  temp  to  31'c  from  28'c,  and  now  they  are  looking  better.  
 She  eats  fine  and  swims  fine  and  has  no  other  issues...  
 Any  help  on  this  would  be  nice.                

 This  is  secoundary  infection  due  to  heavy  pricking  by  fries  due  to  nonavailability  of  other  food  to  the  fries  .  Don't  increase  the  temp  ,  increase  in  temp  will  increase  the  metabolisium  of  fries  and  hence  more  pricking  ,  and  more  problem  to  the  parents  .  Just  keep  very  good  water  quality  and  clean  sponge  filters  every  alternate  day  .  feed  finely  shaved  BH  in  small  qty  .  try  to  introduce  Brine  shrimp  at  the  earliest  or  else  you  need  to  seperate  them  at  the  earliest  to  save  the  parents  from  any  infection  .
 
 Pl  keep  us  posted  about  the  condition  of  the  parents  and  the  fries  .  
 
 
 Cheers  
 Shiva  Nair
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Shiva  Sir,
 
 Unfortunately,  my  next  trip  is  only  planned  at  the  end  of  the  month,  so  thats  sometime  away  for  now..  Else  I  would  have  surely  taken  up  that  offer.
 And  like  I  am  sure  it  is  next  to  impossible  to  ship  just  a  few  down...  Crying or Very sad  
 
 1.  When  do  they  start  accepting  crushed  flakes  or  finely  shaved  BHM?
 As  I  would  like  to  try  that  out  tonite  when  I  get  home.  Or  is  there  any  other  alternative  to  BBS?
 
 2.  If  they  are  not  accepting  the  crushed  flakes,  BHM  and  I  cant  get  any  BBS  then  is  it  fine  just  to  remove  the  female  ?  And  put  her  back  in  the  show  tank  for  recovery..?  (Only  if  she  is  not  fine  by  this  evening)
   The  male  is  smaller  than  the  female  but  doesn't  seem  very  stressed,  and  is  with  the  kids  more  now.  I  think  cause  the  female  is  getting  tired  of  them.
 
 3.  I  have  read  that  the  BBS  is  just  supplement  for  the  fry  till  they  can  start  eating  shaved  FBW,  shaved  BHM  and  or  flakes.  Is  this  true?  As  this  was  contarary  to  what  I  had  thought....
   As  that  would  mean  I  should  keep  the  parents  in  the  tank  for  longer...but  that  also  means  a  higher  change  of  chance  of  infections/parasites  getting  to  the  babies  from  the  parents...?
 
 4.  What  about  the  egg  yolk  and  Spirulina  mix,  can  I  try  that?  or  thats  just  for  the  fry  when  they  have  just  become  free  swimmers...?
 
 Looks  like  I  need  BBS  more  and  more.
 
 5.  What  preventive  meds  can  I  or  Should  I  put  in  the  tank  for  the  fry  care  if   any...?  Not  that  I  like  to  add  meds.  but  prevention  is  better  than  cure.
 
 With  these  fish  there  is  something  new  everyday,  I  guess  thats  a  part  of  the  fun...
 
 Thank  You  All
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I  haven't  been  able  to  source  any  BBS  yet,  I  can't  afford  a  tin                
 
 There  is  no  need  for  you  to  buy  a  Tin  ,  you  comes  to  Mumbai  regularly  ,  just  a  phone  call  and  I  could  have  helped  you  with  this  .  why  to  purchase  when  we  are  there  to  help  you  .Not  feeding  the  Brine  Shrimp  to  fries  ,  the  parents  are  at  risk,  Â more  streess  to  the  parents  (  fries  may  be  continiously  pricking  the  slim  )  Â .  be  careful  next  time  ,  sometime  due  to  heavy  pricking  and  secoundary  infection  female  succumb  to  infections  and  dies  .  
 
 
                                                 
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They  are  15  days  from  Free  swimming.                

 At  this  stage  ,  I  feed  5  -  7  times  Brine  shrimp  at  every  two  hrs  intervals  ,  to  avoid  heavy  pricking  of  fries  of  Â slim  .
 
 
                                                 
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Till  now  they  are  fed  by  their  parents,  but  now  my  female  is  looking  stressed,  by  them  already,  
 She  has  developed  a  wound,  which  is  now  healing  over  the  last  2  days,  I  am  still  a  bit  worried  about  it  as  it  had  some  white  stuff  on  the  wound  initially.  
 but  now  the  white  stuff  has  gone,  any  clue  what  that  might  be?  
 Also  she  has  gotten  a  bit  of  white  marks  on  her  tail,  I  dont  know  what  they  are  but  I  have  up-ed  the  temp  to  31'c  from  28'c,  and  now  they  are  looking  better.  
 She  eats  fine  and  swims  fine  and  has  no  other  issues...  
 Any  help  on  this  would  be  nice.                

 This  is  secoundary  infection  due  to  heavy  pricking  by  fries  due  to  nonavailability  of  other  food  to  the  fries  .  Don't  increase  the  temp  ,  increase  in  temp  will  increase  the  metabolisium  of  fries  and  hence  more  pricking  ,  and  more  problem  to  the  parents  .  Just  keep  very  good  water  quality  and  clean  sponge  filters  every  alternate  day  .  feed  finely  shaved  BH  in  small  qty  .  try  to  introduce  Brine  shrimp  at  the  earliest  or  else  you  need  to  seperate  them  at  the  earliest  to  save  the  parents  from  any  infection  .
 
 Pl  keep  us  posted  about  the  condition  of  the  parents  and  the  fries  .  
 
 
 Cheers  
 Shiva  Nair                

 
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Congratulations!  Excellent  pictures  and  the  fry  seems  to  be  in  good  health.  
 
 If  i  remember  correctly  your  discus  were  laying  eggs  for  some  time  did  you  do  anything  recently  that  made  the  eggs  hatch?
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

                                                   
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If  i  remember  correctly  your  discus  were  laying  eggs  for  some  time  did  you  do  anything  recently  that  made  the  eggs  hatch?
                 

 
 Yes  you  are  right.  But  thats  a  different  pair.  I  still  haven't  hatched  anything  yet  with  them,  but  I  know  for  sure  he  is  no  longer  an  EESOB,  as  they  now  much  more  patient.  I'll  give  them  another  go  in  another  few  weeks,  when  the  rains  come  in  a  bit.  And  will  update  that  thread:
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6342&start=30
 Just  realised  that  was  almost  a  year  ago.
 
 I  believe  the  difference  was  the  water  if  you  ask  me,  I  went  form  hard  to  soft  peat  water  and  they  started  to  hatch.  And  I  went  to  for  vacation  to  Nilgiris  for  10  days,  my  welcome  back  were  these  wrigglers...So  I  really  did  nothing  special.
 
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 Shiva:  I  finally  sourced  some  BBS.
 Now  starting  my  hatchery
 
 Below  are  todays  pictures  just  taken,  this  time  with  Dad.
 
 Day  15:
 
 
 I  think  he  is  a  bit  bruised  on  the  sides  by  too  much  pecking:
 Also  I  can  see  one  Cull  for  sure  right  at  the  bottom  looking  up,  thats  sad,  though  over  time  I  know  I  might  have  more...
 
 
 The  Kids:
 
 
 Tomorrow  they  shall  get  some  BBS.
 Thanks  for  all  the  help  and
 Thanks  for  reading,
 Cheers,
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 hii  nanu
 nice  fries...they  are  in  good  health
 excellent  photography  also  Thumb Up  
 take  care  of  those  sweet  fries  Very Happy  
 all  the  best  to  you  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Rahul  ,  
 
 
                                                 
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When  do  they  start  accepting  crushed  flakes  or  finely  shaved  BHM?  
 As  I  would  like  to  try  that  out  tonite  when  I  get  home.  Or  is  there  any  other  alternative  to  BBS?
                 
 
 
 Normally  on  3rd  or  4th  day  you  should  start  feeding  the  fries  with  Artemia  nauplii,  initially  you  should  start  with  small  qty  ,  and  slowly  you  should  increase  the  feeding  .  If  you  put   too  much  of  live  artemia  in  to  the  tank  parents  fish  sometimes  gets  irritate.  after  10  days  you  may  start  some  finely  ground  any  animal  heart  .  The  parents  will  pick  the  food  and  blow  it  out  ,  scattering  it  to  encourage  the  babies  to  feed  .  
 
 
                                                 
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If  they  are  not  accepting  the  crushed  flakes,  BHM  and  I  cant  get  any  BBS  then  is  it  fine  just  to  remove  the  female  ?  And  put  her  back  in  the  show  tank  for  recovery..?  (Only  if  she  is  not  fine  by  this  evening)  
 The  male  is  smaller  than  the  female  but  doesn't  seem  very  stressed,  and  is  with  the  kids  more  now.  I  think  cause  the  female  is  getting  tired  of  them.                  

 
 In  your  case  female  is  sick  and  it  is  not  advisible  to  seperate  the  fries  or  the  parents  when  they  are  sick  .  The  fries  may  be  looking  healthy  because  they  are  still  consuming  anti-bodies  from  the  mucus  of  the  parents  and  once  they  stop  consuming  these  anti-bodies  they  may  fall  sick  .  IME  whenever  nursing  parents  fall  sick  their  fries  also  falls  sick  .  hence  one  should  be  very  careful  during  these  3  week  time  .  Transfer  have  to  be  done  only  when  both  parents  and  fries  are  in  good  health  .  This  is  the  reason  one  must  disinfect  the  breeding   tank  and  clean  the  parents  before  breeding  .  I  think  I  had  mentioned  this  in  one  of  the  earlier  post  (  cleanning  the  parents  )  .  Pl  monitor  the  health  of  the  parents  and  keep  us  posted  ,  if  they  are  not  improving  we  need  to  do  something  (  may  need  to  use  antibiotic  ::::::::::;???????????  )  .  try  feeding  Artemia  .  Looking  at  their  belly  ,  i  think  they  may  be  consumming  heart  meal  which  is  scattered  at  the  bottom  of  the  tank  .  start  finely  ground  animal  heart  .  
 
 
 
 
 Cheers  
 Shiva  Nair
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Rahul  ,                

 
 I  think  you  meant  Ritesh  ?  
 
 Anyhow,
 
 The  female  does  look  better,  I  will  post  pics  of  her  tonite  and  you  can  have  a  look  at  her  and  advise.
 
 Also  the  Artemia  Hatchery  has  started  hopefully  they'll  get  their  first  meal  tonite.  This  I  hope  would  relief  the  parents  quite  a  bit.
 
 Does  the  male  look  ok?  I  mean  I  know  he  doesn't  have  the  best  of  shapes,  but  as  far  as  health  goes?  
 
 Thanks  a  lot
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Wish me luck...please...[Day 12 update] Reply with quote

 Hi  Ritesh,
 the  fry  look  too  cute  for  words.   Thumb Up
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