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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Hi  everyone
 
 I  am  a  newbie  who  has  just  begun  a  new  pond,  I  have  posted  the  details  with  photos  on  the  beginners  forum  but  I  have  yet  to  receive  a  reply  there,  while  I  don't  want  to  cross  post,  I  guess  I  would  get  a  better  response  in  this  forum,  hence  I  am  pasting  the  link  to  my  post  here  please  have  a  look  at  my  post,  I  am  desperately  waiting  to  get  the  opinion  of  IAH  community  thanks.
 
 Link  to  my  post  on  the  beginnners  forum
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Hi  Matysa,
 
 I  am  not  into  ponds  or  any  such  large  containers.
 But  I  have  my  doubts  on  the  durability  of  the  Intex  pool.
 Are  you  sure  if  will  not  give  away  over  few  months  ?
 
 Answer  to   your  other  questions.  (This  is  just  my  gut  feeling  and  the  little  exposure  to  fish  keeping)
 
 1.   Is  what  I  am  doing  right?  What  changes  it  any  should  I  introduce?
 
 Since  it  is  a  kiddies  swimming  pool,  it  should  most  probably  be  safe  to  use  for  the  fish.  Smile  
 
 
 2.  What  should  be  the  schedule  of  partial  water  change?
 
 Generally  people  out  here  with  outdoor  pool  let  the  tank  fill  and  overflow  for  some  time  every  week.  The  amount  for  it  is  allowed  to  overflow  depends  on  the  pond  volume  and  the  type  of  fish.  
 
 
 3.  Would  I  need  heating  in  Delhi  Winters?
   
 Depends  on  the  fish.  Gold  fish  should  not  need  a  heater  but  please  wait  for  experts  to  answer  this  
 
 4.  What  fishes  should  I  add  and  in  what  numbers?
 
 What  are  your  choices  ?  Based  on  the  choice  and  the  filteration  that  you  have  in  there,  people  here  can  suggest  you  the  number  of  fish.
 But  goldfish  or  koi  carp  go  well  in  outdoor  ponds,  You  can  also  think  of  giant  gourami,  the  ubiquitous  'sharks'   Smile
 
 5.  Does  the  filter  run  24x7,  or  is  there  some  shutdown  time  required?
 Yes  The  filter  should  run  24X7  .  BTW  the  bodyguard  filter  if  I  am  not  wrong  has  a  flow  rate  of  500  LPH  whic  is  grossly  inadequate.   You  have  to  consider  a  large  canister  filter  or  DIY  will  be  cheaper  option.
 
 6.  Any  other  suggestions
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Hi  Matsya,
 
 Welcome  to  IAH  and  hope  you  have  a  good  time  learning  here...
 
 now  for  your  questions,  I  cannot  answer  all  but  try  
 what  i  can  and  hopefully  others  will  pitch  in.
 
 1.   Is  what  I  am  doing  right?  What  changes  it  any  should  I  introduce?
 The  tank  you  are  using,  is  it  sturdy  enough?
 looks  like  an  inflatable  one  and  if  so  then  its  prone  to  needle  pricks
 and  any  sharp  objects.  Caution  here!  
 As  it  is  inflatable,  algae  will  start  to  grow  easily  on  it.
 Rocks  and  other  things  are  fine  but  they  should  not  pierce  through  it.
 Keep  such  fishes  which  do  not  nip  on  the  tank  itself     ROFL  
 
 2.  What  should  be  the  schedule  of  partial  water  change?
 usually  it  is  weekly  30-40%  depending  on  what  fishes  you  have.
 
 3.  Would  I  need  heating  in  Delhi  Winters?
 yes,  u  need  heating  but  how  will  this  go  with  your
 inflatable  tank  not  sure,  the  heating  unit  should  not  burn  into  you  
 tank   Chuckle  
 
 4.  What  fishes  should  I  add  and  in  what  numbers?
 The  water  levels,  350  lts  but  filled  only  80%
 so  say  approx  ~230-240  ltrs  capacity.
 
 not  sure,  what  fishes  as  here  you  cannot  see  them  through  sides
 only  top  view  is  available.
 
 5.  Does  the  filter  run  24x7,  or  is  there  some  shutdown  time  required?
 Filter  should  cycle  the  entire  water  4-6  times  in  an  hour,
 so  based  on  that  check  how  long  it  takes  for  your  setup  to  have  this  cycle.
 
 6.  Any  other  suggestions  
 Go  for  a  glass  tank,  that  is  my  personal  suggestion,  maybe  
 a  3/4/6  footer  will  be  cool.
 
 Hopefully  I  am  right  on  these,  in  case  of  errors,  IAHians  
 please  correct  me.
 
 good  luck  and  regards   Thumb Up  
 
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 Please  go  through  this.
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Iqbal  (IAH  code  IQSS)  has  a  lot  of  such  tanks.  All  the  filters  DIYed.  Wait  for  his  response,  or  just  PM  him.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Dear  Saurabh
 Nice  logo  for  LAS.  Really  witty.
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 Logo  is  not  my  work,  It  is  the  hard  work  of  Ali.  
 IAH  code  ali_martinian.
 
 I  can  accept  the  compliment  for  the  signature.
 
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 Surprised  Regulars  Surprised  
 please  refrain  from  off  topic  posting,  these  are  a  
 distractions  to  the  topic  posting.
 
   Cheer Up  
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  all  your  replies  and  suggestions.  Smile
 
 Just  to  clarify,  the  pool  is  not  inflatable,  it  is  solid  pvc  pool  with  no  air  filling  anywhere,  I  don't  think  it  will  give  way  under  the  wait  of  water  or  fish  (it  is  meant  to  take  children  and  they  can  be  more  rowdy  than  the  fish  I  guess   )
 
 Hmmm...two  replies  on  heating...one  says  I  would  need  it  the  other  says  will  not   Unsure  
 
 thanks  once  again,  any  more  comments?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Matsya,
 
 Welcome  to  IAH  and  hope  you  have  a  good  time  learning  here...                  

   Thanks   Dan,  hope  to  learn  a  lot
 
                                                 
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4.  What  fishes  should  I  add  and  in  what  numbers?
 The  water  levels,  350  lts  but  filled  only  80%
 so  say  approx  ~230-240  ltrs  capacity.  
                 

 
 Well  the  capacity  as  written  on  the  box  with  80  percent  height  filling  is  given  as  98  gallon  or  370  liters
 
 
                                                 
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 not  sure,  what  fishes  as  here  you  cannot  see  them  through  sides
 only  top  view  is  available.                  

 
 This  point  is  not  very  clear  to  me  could  you  please  explain  it,  yes  its  top  down  view  how  does  that  affect  the  choice  of  fish  ?
 
 Till  now  I  am  thinking  of  sticking  to  only  gold  fish  (various  sub  species)  with  the  idea  of  keeping  it  simple  but  I  am  open  to  suggestions  as  yet
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Outdoor-Indoor pond Reply with quote

 Hi  matsya,
 
 The  pvc  tank  is  fine  i  guess.
 
 About  the  fishes  types,  one  has  4  choices:
 
 Marine,
 Cold  freshwater,
 Tropical  freshwater,
 Brackish:  that  is  in-between  slightly  salty  and  cold  water
 
 The  types  of  fish  you  like  will  probably  determine  
 the  size  and  type  of  tank,  heating  required  or  not,  species  compatibility,
 substrate  (light  or  dark  color),  planted  or  bare  bottom.
 
 Again  not  to  confuse  you  but  you  may  try  these  community  
 with  your  setup:
 
 1)  Medium-sized  tank  (120  -  200  litres):
 
 One  male  and  two  female  swordtails.  Two  schools  of  six  to  ten  fish  each,  chosen  from:  giant  danios;  rosy  barbs;  gold  barbs;  cherry  barbs;  Boeseman's  rainbowfish;  or  red  rainbowfish.  Six  Corydoras.  One  Ancistrus.
 
 2)  Medium-sized  tank  (120  -  200  litres):
 
 Two  male  and  four  female  pearl  gouramis.  Two  male  and  four  female  dwarf  gouramis.  Six  angelfish.  Six  Corydoras.  One  Ancistrus.
 
 3)  Small-sized  tank  (40  -  80  litres):
 
 One  male,  and  two  female  swordtails.  Two  schools  of  six  to  ten  fish  each;  chosen  from:  zebra  danios;  small  tetras;  or  white  clouds.  Six  Corydoras.  One  Peckoltia.
 
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 I  doubt  you  have  an  Intex  above  ground  pool.  It  looks  more  like  a  cheap  Chinese  imitation.  Correct  me  if  I  am  wrong.
 Gold  fish  and  Koi  are  the  fish  used  for  outdoor  pools.  These  fish  are  best  for  ponds/pools  since  they  look  good  from  above.These  fish  need  no  heater  unlike  other  fish.
 
 Aquarium  fish  are  viewed  at  least  from  three  sides  and  a  perfect  aquarium  is  kept  at  eye  level.  The  fish  in  your  pool  are  only  viewed  from  the  top.
 
 The  pool  -  the  pic  of  which  you  have  posted  is  often  used  as  temporary  stock  yard  by  Bangalore  LFS  when  they  get  larger  consignments  of  fish.  It  is  used  only  for  a  few  days,  never  more.
 
 I  personally  feel  your  project  is  not  a  good  idea  for  a  permanent  setup.  
 
 All  the  best  anyhow.
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I  doubt  you  have  an  Intex  above  ground  pool.  It  looks  more  like  a  cheap  Chinese  imitation.  Correct  me  if  I  am  wrong.
 Gold  fish  and  Koi  are  the  fish  used  for  outdoor  pools.  These  fish  are  best  for  ponds/pools  since  they  look  good  from  above.These  fish  need  no  heater  unlike  other  fish.
 
 Aquarium  fish  are  viewed  at  least  from  three  sides  and  a  perfect  aquarium  is  kept  at  eye  level.  The  fish  in  your  pool  are  only  viewed  from  the  top.
 
 The  pool  -  the  pic  of  which  you  have  posted  is  often  used  as  temporary  stock  yard  by  Bangalore  LFS  when  they  get  larger  consignments  of  fish.  It  is  used  only  for  a  few  days,  never  more.
 
 I  personally  feel  your  project  is  not  a  good  idea  for  a  permanent  setup.  
 
 All  the  best  anyhow.                

 
 You  are  right  in  stating  that  the  pool  I  have  is  a  made  in  china  one  but  its  not  an  imitation  its  authentic  intex  however  it  is  not  the  above  the  ground  metal  enforced  pool  that  I  would  like  to  have,  but  I  would  very  much  like  to  use  it  if  I  can  find  it  let  me  know  if  you  know  if  there  is  an  Intex  India  office  /supplier,  Or  any  other  over  the  ground  pool  supplier.  I  do  not  want  to  go  with  a  cement  tank.  Thanks  for  your  comments.  
 
 Also,  could  you  elaborate  a  little  more  on  why  you  dont  think  it  is  a  good  idea  for  a  permanent  set  up.  It  would  help  me  choose  a  better  alternative  if  available
   
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 Thanks  for  the  writeup.  Appreciate  that
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 This  is  one  of  Niranjan's  ponds  ion  Bangalore.  He  has  used  a  cheap  ordinary  plastic  sheet.
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/gallery2/v/User_Galleries/trevor/Ponds/Niranjans+Pond0001_1.JPG.html
 This  is  another  massive  movable  pond.  Tables  are  kept  flat  on  the  side  to  form  an  octagonal  frame.  Set  up  time  15  minutes.  Looks  like  a  truck  plastic  tarpaulin  was  used.
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/gallery2/v/User_Galleries/trevor/Ponds/Moveable+pond0001.JPG.html
 
 When  you  use  a  rectangle  frame  you  get  a  rectangle  pool.  So  be  innovative.  If  you  have  the  land  dig  and  create.
 
 Use  the  right  liner.  And  create  your  own  shape.  The  best  liners  are  OASE  -  German  and  come  with  a  20  year  guarantee.  And  are  puncture  proof.
 UV  resistant/Biologically  safe/fish  compatible/root  resistant/tear  resistant/welded  seam/rot  resistant/cold  resistant  for  twenty  years.  Smile  
 You  should  in  addition  use  a  protective  fleece  which  protects  the  pond  liner  from  sharp  rocks  and  roots.  
 There  should  be  an  OASE  dealer  in  New  Delhi.  There  is  a  Bangalore  dealer.
 Or  pick  it  up  the  liner  and  fleece  when  when  you  travel  abroad  since  you  only  need  a  small  quantity.
 
 Fish  especially  Koi  and  to  a  lesser  extent  Goldfish  have  been  bred  for  centuries  with  the  intention  to  clearly  show  off  their  attributes  while  looking  from  the  top  down  -  as  in  looking  down  into  a  pool.  Smile
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