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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 Unlike  a  lot  of  people  who  learn  from  their  first  mistake,  it  took  me  three  to  correct  mine.  The  mistake,  one  of  the  most  common  -  Fish  Bowl!
 
 The  first  time  was  when  someone  gifted  me  a  native  fish  caught  from  a  lake  in  my  hometown  Ajmer  when  I  was  a  kid.  The  next  time,  after  I  saw  a  goldfish  bowl  at  my  freinds  place  I  got  myself  a  bowl  of  4  mollies.  After  their  demise  I  (shamefully)  got  a  couple  of  platies  and  thats  when  I  finally  realised  that  fishes  require  a  place  to  live  happily  and  not  a  cage!
 
 The  thread  covers  an  already  completed  project  done  in  late  2008.
 Preetam(Preeths)  was  the  one  who  guided  me  on  everything  and  the  project  wouldnt  have  completed  without  his  help.
 
 The  following  requirements  were  outlined  -
 
 1.  I  wanted  to  keep  Goldfishes  so  it  had  to  be  big.  Minimum  500-600  L.
 2.  Aesthetics  were  to  be  given  a  back  seat.  Fish  comfort  was  the  priority.
 3.  It  had  to  be  very  light.  because  its  was  going  to  be  on  my  8th  Floor  Balcony.
 4.  It  had  to  be  easily  transportable.  because  I  shift  my  residence  every  year.
 5.  It  had  to  be  cheap.  I  was  low  on  budget  and  this  was  a  big  factor.
 
 I  will  post  the  initial  design,  the  failures  and  finally  the  end  product,  step  by  step.
 
 to  be  continued...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 Eagerly  waiting  for  the  details.........  Especially  about  constraining  weight  on  a  500L  tank   Smile
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 Ditto!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

                                                   
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 The  following  requirements  were  outlined  -
 
 1.  I  wanted  to  keep  Goldfishes  so  it  had  to  be  big.  Minimum  500-600  L.
 2.  Aesthetics  were  to  be  given  a  back  seat.  Fish  comfort  was  the  priority.
 3.  It  had  to  be  very  light.  because  its  was  going  to  be  on  my  8th  Floor  Balcony.
 4.  It  had  to  be  easily  transportable.  because  I  shift  my  residence  every  year.
 5.  It  had  to  be  cheap.  I  was  low  on  budget  and  this  was  a  big  factor.
 
 I  will  post  the  initial  design,  the  failures  and  finally  the  end  product,  step  by  step.
 
 to  be  continued...                

 
 1.  Good  size.  Your  fish  will  be  happy.
 
 2.  You  can  take  care  of  aesthetics  too  while  giving  your  fishes  comfort.
 
 3&4.  It's  not  possible.  600ltr  water=  600KG.  5x2x2  size  tank  weight  will  be  200KG.  Stand+Gravels  another  100  KG.  So  almost  1  ton  weight  you  will  put  on  the  balcony.  It's  risky.  And  huge  size  tanks  are  always  hell  of  a  work  to  move  here  and  there  frequently.
 
 5.  Don't  compromise  with  Glass  thickness  and  filtration.  If  required,  wait  for  some  time  and  increase  budget.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

                                                   
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 The  following  requirements  were  outlined  -
 
 1.  I  wanted  to  keep  Goldfishes  so  it  had  to  be  big.  Minimum  500-600  L.
 2.  Aesthetics  were  to  be  given  a  back  seat.  Fish  comfort  was  the  priority.
 3.  It  had  to  be  very  light.  because  its  was  going  to  be  on  my  8th  Floor  Balcony.
 4.  It  had  to  be  easily  transportable.  because  I  shift  my  residence  every  year.
 5.  It  had  to  be  cheap.  I  was  low  on  budget  and  this  was  a  big  factor.
 
 I  will  post  the  initial  design,  the  failures  and  finally  the  end  product,  step  by  step.
 
 to  be  continued...                

 
 1.  Good  size.  Your  fish  will  be  happy.
 
 2.  You  can  take  care  of  aesthetics  too  while  giving  your  fishes  comfort.
 
 3&4.  It's  not  possible.  600ltr  water=  600KG.  5x2x2  size  tank  weight  will  be  200KG.  Stand+Gravels  another  100  KG.  So  almost  1  ton  weight  you  will  put  on  the  balcony.  It's  risky.  And  huge  size  tanks  are  always  hell  of  a  work  to  move  here  and  there  frequently.
 
 5.  Don't  compromise  with  Glass  thickness  and  filtration.  If  required,  wait  for  some  time  and  increase  budget.
 
 HTH.   Thumb Up                

 
 The  tank  was  completed  in  Nov  2008  and  I  kept  it  till  last  month  when  I  ripped  it  apart.  Since  Goldfishes  are  best  looked  from  the  top  it  didnt  have  to  be  made  of  glass(more  of  an  indoor  pond).  Plywood  was  ruled  out  because  of  all  the  effort,  time  and  money  it  was  demanding.  I  had  to  make  something  which  didnt  weigh  more  than  10%  of  the  weight  of  the  water  it  was  holding  and  wasnt  gonna  take  a  lot  of  time.  I  had  600-700  kg  weight  limit(with  90%  water)  and  a  week  of  construction  time  in  mind   Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 Go  for  plastic  bath  tub.  Light  in  weight  and  big  size.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 Sintex  water  tank  is  what  comes  to  mind  when  you  think  of  these  factors.  Aesthetics,  i'm  not  sure.  Could  innovate......
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 Wait  guys,
 It  seems  the  poster  has  already  completed  the  project.
 He'd  just  be  posting  step  by  step.
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 Considering  the  size  of  the  balcony  and  the  weight  restrictions,  the  dimensions  were  finally  fixed  at  5ft  x  3ft  x  1.5ft  (LBH).
 That  gave  me  a  100%  volume  of  22.5  (cubic  feet)  =  637.129048  liter.  At  80%  full  it  would  be  around  500L.
 
 An  iron  rod  structure  was  welded  to  the  above  given  dimensions.
 
 
 
 Acrylic  sheet  (available  at  Local  Hardwares)  was  fixed  on  the  4  vertical  sides  to  give  support  to  the  pond  liner(HDPE  sheet).
 
 
 
 The  result  was  covered  with  an  LDPE  (Low  density  poly-ethylene)  sheet  to  save  the  main  liner  from  getting  any  cuts  from  the  iron  structure  and  acrylic  sheet.
 
 
 
 To  give  you  a  size  perspective.  My  friends  Ayush  and  Bhatti  were  the  first  two  inhabitants   ROFL  
 
 
 
 Finally  the  HDPE  (High  Density  Poly-ethylene)  sheet  was  fixed  and  the  pond  was  ready  to  be  filled.  The  sheet  was  good  to  go  for  atleast  2  years.
 
 
 
 The  final  cost  came  out  to  be  around  2k   Smile  
 
 Filled  at  Day  1
 
 
 
 The  final  structure  was  lighter  enough  to  be  carried  by  one  person  alone.
 
 I  set  it  up  in  the  balcony  next  to  my  bedroom  and  stayed  awake  the  whole  night  wondering  if  I  should  put  that  much  weight  on  a  cantilever  balcony  (supported  on  only  one  side).
 
 The  next  day  it  was  shifted  to  the  balcony  with  beams  (support)  on  all  4  sides.  Did  some  changes  to  landscape  too.
 
 
 
 The  filter  used  initially  was  a  Boyu  internal  1350  L/H  and  proved  to  be  rather  insufficient.  Made  a  DIY  filter  using  cooler  powerheads  and  it  worked  like  a  charm.
 
 The  first  fishes  -  Shubunkins.
 
 
 
 Amazon  Sword  was  the  only  plant  that  stayed  alive.  Rest  all  I  tried  were  torn  within  a  couple  of  hours.
 
 
 
 Introduced  two  small  Kois  in  a  couple  of  months.  I  know  the  depth  id  less  but  just  wanted  to  keep  them  till  they  were  small.
 
 
 
 The  floating  plants  were  initially  great  but  after  the  kois  came  in  they  all  were  converted  to  Poop!   Chuckle  
 
 
 
 Kois  eating  off  the  hands  
 
 
 
 
 
 The  pond  was  shifted  to  the  new  flat(within  an  hour)  to  my  new  flat  in  Aug  09  was  with  me  till  Jan  10  when  I  foolishly  introduced  a  couple  of  goldies  without  Quarantine  and  lost  the  whole  livestock.     Sad  
 
 The  most  friendly  fishes  I  have  ever  kept.
 
 
 
 So  finally,  
 
 The  size  -  Approx  500  L
 Weight  -  Approx  600  kgs  (water  500L,  Structure  max  40kg,  Rocks  rest)
 Cost  -  Approx  2k  (only  for  the  tank)  filter,  rocks  etc  extra
 Easy  of  transportation  -  Was  shifted  once  without  any  problems.
 Aesthetics  -  Wasnt  great  but  I  had  a  great  time  drinking  my  morning  tea  sitting  next  to  it   Smile  
 
 Thanks  for  reading.
 
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 Tank,  filter,  etc  for  just  2k!!  thats  amazing!  
 
 What  kind  of  acrylicis  that  and  how  thick?  and  how  did  you  paste  all  the  sides  together?
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 that  is  one  amazing  idea.  and  the  whole  thing  looks  great  from  top.
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 A  portable  koi  pond.  i  liked  the  idea...  Except  the  potted  plant  looks  unnatural.  Good  job  guys..
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Tank,  filter,  etc  for  just  2k!!  thats  amazing!  
 
 What  kind  of  acrylicis  that  and  how  thick?  and  how  did  you  paste  all  the  sides  together?                

 
 That  was  a  typo,  Hamza.  Only  Tank  -  2k,  Filter  and  Rocks  is  extra,  didnt  cost  a  lot  though   Smile  
 
 This  is  the  same  sheet  people  use  it  for  temporary  shades  in  front  of  shops.  Will  try  posting  a  the  pic.  All  the  sides  were  of  tight  fit  and  taped  together  using  masking  tape.
 
 
 
 
                                                 
angel_lover  wrote  (View  Post):                

 A  portable  koi  pond.  i  liked  the  idea...  Except  the  potted  plant  looks  unnatural.  Good  job  guys..
                 

 
 Didnt  want  to  create  a  mess  while  shifting  the  pond  so  potted  plants  were  used.
 
 
                                                 
mudjawd  wrote  (View  Post):                

 that  is  one  amazing  idea.  and  the  whole  thing  looks  great  from  top.
                 

 
 Thanks  a  lot   Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 Very  innovative,  keep  up  the  good  work!  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: Re: A balance of space, weight and cash! Reply with quote

 a  nice  one  buddy.  Certainly  one  for  the  future  too.  What  about  filteration  buddy?  with  all  that  poop  accumulating  ,  you'd  had  a  tough  time  ????
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