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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: low tech tank setup..pictures added Reply with quote

 Hi  all
 Have  to  setup  a  tank  for  a  friend  and  i  have  a  couple  of  questions.The  tank  is  3  18  18  and  i  will  divide  the  tank  into  half  from  front  to  back  with  rocks  seperating  the  two  sides.the  back  will  be  completely  planted  and  the  front  will  be  left  empty.No  co2.Dosing  as  u  suggest.Will  use  a  few  hardy  plants  like  crypts  vals  amazons  lily  and  some  more  broad  leaf  plants.Fish  will  be  angels  and  some  live  bearers  loach  etc.
 Can  i  use  amazonia  II  soil  for  this  tank?What  are  the  pros  and  cons  of  using  this  hi  tech  soil  in  a  tank  thats  otherwise  quite  low  tech.Am  not  finding  laterite  which  was  the  original  choice  of  this  tank.And  my  lfs  is  guiding  me  to  a  soil  that  am  not  sure  of.
 Also  what  ADA  ferts  can  be  used  for  this  tank?Are  they  needed?Is  there  any  ADA  fert  that  can  provide  basic  nutrition?
 Please  help  will  be  setting  up  this  tank  on  sunday,
 Hamza


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 You'll  need  to  do  more  than  regular  water  changes  to  get  rid  of  the  ammonia.
 Other  than  that  there  will  be  very  little  requirement  for  dosing.
 
 Take  it  as  a  Diana  Walstad  tank,  with  the  substrate  loaded  with  more  nutrients
 than  normal  soil.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 besides  water  changes  for  the  first  one  week  any  other  cons?would  there  be  any  algae  issues?what  ada  product  to  use  as  dosing  for  long  term?lights  are  36w  x  2  pll's  on  for  12  hours  a  day
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 I  guess  without  CO2  with  ADA  you  will  get  algae  issue.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 With  ADA,  it  is  water  changes,  water  changes  and  more  water  changes.  Not  dosing  required.  And  before  I  forget,  more  water  changes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 Hamza,
 
 I  have  a  planted  tank  with  the  same  dimensions  running  for  the  last  2  years.  Only  the  substrate  is  ADA,  I  dont  use  any  other  ADA  products  and  no  CO2.  If  you  can  control  the  initial  algae  burst  with  frequent  water  changes,  I  dont  foresee  any  other  problem.
 
 I  do  20%  water  changes  every  other  week  and  top  up  the  water  lost  due  to  evaporation  (  i  run  a  CPU  fan).
 
 The  plants  that  I  have  been  able  to  grow  successfully  are
 
 1.  Hemianthus  Micranthemoides  (grows  like  a  weed!!)
 2.  Crypts  -  Wendtii,  petchii  and  others
 3.  Blyxa  Japonica  and  Auberti
 4.  Rotala  Rotundifolia
 5.  Bacopa  sp
 6.  E.  Tenellus  and  Marsilea  Hirsuta
 7.  Moss  (  Java,  Christmas)  
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 Thanks  everyone  for  your  replies.
 @Bala
 The  plants  i  plan  to  grow  in  it  are  vals,lillies,some  crypts  and  some  broad  leaf  plants  like  red  rubin  and  spotted  amazons.sorry  dont  know  the  scientific  names.Some  annubias  and  some  moss  as  well
 How  long  would  the  initial  burst  of  algae  last?a  week?2  weeks?because  the  tank  is  in  an  office  and  i  cant  go  disturbing  it  everytime.so  i  need  something  thats  stable  and  long  lasting.
 Hamza
 ps-would  i  get  algae  even  though  i  plan  to  use  ada  in  only  half  the  tank?and  every  inch  of  ada  is  likely  to  be  covered  with  plants?Is  laterite  a  better  option  here?
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 I  was  not  successful  in  growing  any  of  the  Echinodorous  species,  so  I  am  assuming  that  the  lack  of  C02  is  the  primary  reason.
 
 Reg.  Vals,  my  observation  is  that  they  could  take  a  while  to  start-off,  so  I  wouldn't  vouch  for  it  as  a  starter  plant,  also  in  a  18  inch  tall  tank,  they  could  end  up  blocking  the  light  for  the  mid  and  foreground  plants  (assuming  that  that  the  vals  are  going  to  be  background).
 
 I  would  suggest  that  for  the  first  1  month,  you  have  a  lot  of  stem  plants  in  your  scape  and  then  make  50%  water  changes  twice  a  week.  You  can  then  gradually  replace  the  stems  with  the  choice  of  plants  that  you  want  in  your  final  scape.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 My  suggeston  would  be  to  avoid  stems  and  to  go  for  anubias  ,  crypts  ,Java  fern  and  moss  varieties.  These  plants  can  be  tied  to  driftwood  or  rocks  and  don't  HAVE  to  have  their  roots  in  the  soil.  This  way,  along  with  a  well  balanced  water  column  dosing  only  and  low  light,  you  will  be  able  to  avoid  aquasoil  and  algae  issues.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 Use  mulm  from  your  filter,  in  the  substrate  at  setup,  then  waterchanges  2-3  times  a  week  for  6  +  weeks  
 to  cycle  the  tank,  and  also  until  the  plants  start  to  adapt  and  grow.
 Then  biweekly  20%  water  changes  after  your  algae  issues  vanish.
 
 Most  important  -  ADA  and  No  CO2,  aeration  is  a  must,  spray  bar  happily  falling  through  the  air  will  do  the  trick.


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 Hamza,
 
 When  you  don't  use  CO2,  the  plants  synthesize  an  emzyme  Rubisco  (  correct  me  if  I  am  wrong)  that  help  to  fix  Carbon  from  the  bi  carbonate  ion.
 Frequent  water  changes  means  you  introduce  CO2  repeatedly  through  the  water  (  tap  water  may  contain  2-5  ppm  CO2),  this
 affects  the  plants,  so  there  will  be  a  period  when  you  reduce  water  changes  that  your  plants  will  be  affected,  but  that  will  pass.
 With  laterite  or  garden  soil  in  the  substrate  and  no  CO2  you  can  right  away  go  to  20%  waterchange  every  other  week  like  bala  from  the  beginning,
 and  spare  your  plants  this  change.
 
 ADA  aquasoil  has  enough  nutrients  for  a  long  while,  so  there  is  no  need  to  dose  anything.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:26 am Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 If  you  want  to  go  for  a  low  tech  and  low  maintenance  tank,  why  to  go  for  ADA  Aquasoil?  You  will  not  be  utilizing  it's  full  potential.  Lots  of  nutrients  will  go  unused.  My  pick  will  be  laterite  and  sand  substrate.
 
 Personally,   I  am  running  a  120G  Low  Tech  tank  for  last  1.5  years  with  Zero  CO2  and  fertilization  (Not  exactly  zero  but  once  in  a  month  or  two)  which  is  having  Laterite  mixed  with  soilrite  as  a  bottom  substrate.  The  only  effort  for  the  tank  is  weekly  80%  water  change.
 
 But  make  sure  you  are  choosing  right  plants  for  the  setup.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Ada products in a low tech tank? Reply with quote

 @Madan
 Correct  u   ROFL  
 @Tirtha
 I  have  giving  the  plant  list  what  i  intend  to  use.
 If  i  do  go  in  for  laterite  which  am  not  getting  anywhere  do  i  still  need  to  dose  anything.
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 If  you  keep  all  the  low  demanding  plants  under  low  light,  growth  and  nutrients  demands  will  be  low.  This  is  more  of  a  creating  a  natural  eco  system.  now  you  need  dosing  when  you  will  be  seeing  nutrient  deficiencies.  
 
 I  would  say,  you  read  Diana  Walstad  method  in  detail  before  you  jump  into  this  setup.
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