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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 I  have  been  keeping  tanks  for  some  time  now  and  planted  tanks  have  been  my  favorite.
 It  is  recently  that  I  decided  to  go  all  out  for  a  Hitech  planted  tank.
 As  I  live  in  a  remote  area  arranging  for  items  required  for  a  planted  tank  is  not  easy.
 It  took  me  nearly  6-7  months  to  arrange  for  all  items  with  some  wrong  purchases  also.
 Finally  after  some  experiments  with  a  small  tank  I  decided  to  set  up  my  45  g  tank.
 As  this  was  my  first  hitech  tank,  the  concentration  is  on  have  the  plants  growing  healthy  and  not  much  aquascaping  is  attempted.
 The  details  of  tank  are
 Tank  size:  45g  (  36x18x18”)
 Substrate:  ADA  aquasoil
 Lights:  190  w  of  CFL
 Pressurised  Co2  with  reactor
 Filter:  Eheim  2224
 Fauna:  Rams  initially,  currently  mollies  &  black  widow  tetra
 Fertilizers:  Stock  solutions  of  K,  No2,  Phosphates,  Seachem  trace,  Fe  gluconate,  EI  method
 Water  Changes  -50%  weekly
 Plants:  Mainly  Hygrophylla  speices,  Red  Ammania,  Dwarf  saggitaria,  marseila,  getting  plants  for  me  was  a  big  headache,  many  of  them  are  gifts  from  Friends.
 
 Day  of  setup:  25:03:2012
 Finally  managed  to  get  everything  together,  and  set  up  the  tank.
 Put  on  co2,  lights,  filter  etc.
 This  is  snap  someday  after  planting.
 Please  ignore  the  quality  of  pictures,  glass  is  dirty  and  some  of  them  were  taken  with  mobile
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 After  one  month:
 It  is  often  said  that  if  something  can  go  wrong,  it  will  go  wrong.
 After  a  month,  the  tank  was  covered  with  all  types  of  algae,  somedays  it  was  hard  to  know  if  the  leaves  were  dead  or  covered  with  algae.
 
 Tank  after  1  month  at  the  height  of  ugliness
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 After  a  lot  of  analysis  and  help  from  many  friends  I  identified  many  causes  and  set  up  to  correct  them
 
 Reason  1  –  Fluctuating  CO2,  this  was  a  very  big  reason.
 
   To  save  funds  I  had  purchased  a  single  stage  regulator,  this  resulted  in  dump  of  co2  as  cylinder  was  getting  towards  empty,  killed  all  my  rams  and  I  was  now  without  any  fish  in  the  tank.
 Also  the  flow  would  change  suddenly  without  any  reason.
 I  decided  to  scrap  the  existing  regulator  and  purchased  a  new  double  stage  regulator.
 Earlier  I  was  also  unable  to  get  a  needle  value,  finally  managed  to  purchase  one  online
 
 Reason  2-  Water  quality
 
 My  source  water  has  a  TDS  of  1200,  GH,  29,  KH  19,  ph  >8,  this  was  resulting  in  a  lot  of  algae  even  after  co2  levels  stabilized.
 I  started  mixing  50%  Ro  water  which  bought  down  my  water  parameters  to  more  saner  levels
 
 Reason  3-  Absence  of  algae  eater:
 
 Although  I  did  not  realize  earlier  but  they  are  very  important  in  a  planted  tank.
 Getting  shrimps  in  not  easy  in  remote  places  so  on  advice  from  Madan  I  bought  mollies,  and  did  a  great  job  it  eating  up  all  algae.
 Now  I  feed  them  lightly,  once  in  2  days  and  they  eat  up  all  my  algae.
 There  may  have  been  other  reasons  but  I  could  not  identify  them.
 
 However  by  above  methods  at  least  algae  was  gone,  water  did  not  have  scum  floating  on  top,  plants  were  visible  gain,  and  tank  began  to  have  at  least  some  semblance  of  a  planted  tank
 
 Tank  after  3  months
 This  is  after  an  extensive  trimming.
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 That's  a  lot  of  changes  in  the  tank.  I  could  see  considerable  amount  of  changes  in  the  tank.  The  lush  green  plants  in  the  last  pic's  shows  how  your  tank  have  turned.  I  dont  see  any  visible  algae  in  your  tank  now.   Thumb Up  
 
 I  agree  to  all  your  points  mentioned.  I  would  say  "reason  1"  the  main  culprit  of  the  algae.  I  am  unable  to  agree  the  "reason  2".  As  the  water  hardness  does  not  have  relation  to  the  algae  growth.  Experts  please  correct  me  if  I  am  wrong.  As  far  as  I  know  that  the  algae  does  not  have  any  relation  to  the  algae  growth.
 
 With  consistent  CO2,  light  and  ferts,  you  could  have  a  tank  with  no  algae.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 Nothing  is  impossible,  !!!
 
 Excellent  tank...  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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 I  agree  to  all  your  points  mentioned.  I  would  say  "reason  1"  the  main  culprit  of  the  algae.  I  am  unable  to  agree  the  "reason  2".  As  the  water  hardness  does  not  have  relation  to  the  algae  growth.  Experts  please  correct  me  if  I  am  wrong.  As  far  as  I  know  that  the  algae  does  not  have  any  relation  to  the  algae  growth.
                 

 My  reasoning  for  problems  with  very  hard  water
 (a)  When  you  have  very  hard  water,  often  a  large  amount  of  silicates  are  present  in  your  water.
          Silicates  are  responsible  for  diatom  blooms.
 (b)  Mg(Magnesium)  in  my  tank  is  75  ppm,  this  high  amount  of  Mg  interferes  with  uptake  of  other  nutrients,  plant  growth  suffers  and  algae  is  able  to  take  hold.
 
 (c)  Co2  is  not  fully  utilized  by  plants
 
 
                                                 
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 I  dont  see  any  visible  algae  in  your  tank  now.   Thumb  Up                

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Nothing  is  impossible,  !!!
 
 Excellent  tank...  Thumb Up                

 
 That  is  why  it  is  my  motto.  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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 My  reasoning  for  problems  with  very  hard  water
 (a)  When  you  have  very  hard  water,  often  a  large  amount  of  silicates  are  present  in  your  water.
          Silicates  are  responsible  for  diatom  blooms.
 (b)  Mg(Magnesium)  in  my  tank  is  75  ppm,  this  high  amount  of  Mg  interferes  with  uptake  of  other  nutrients,  plant  growth  suffers  and  algae  is  able  to  take  hold.                

 
 Sandeep,  its  an  interesting  point  you  have  mentioned.  I  found  that  some  websites  mentioning  that  the  permissible  level  for  Mg  for  a  planted  tank  is  2-5ppm.  Also  it  has  been  mentioned  that  the  plant  growth  is  good  if  the  proper  Ca:Mg  ratio  is  maintained.  Do  you  have  any  information  that  you  have  gathered  on  what  should  be  the  permissible  level  of  Ca  and  Mg  in  a  water  for  the  proper  plant  growth?
 
 And  I  agree  to  your  point  on  Silicates.  Silicates  are  found  more  in  ground  water  and  not  usually  seen  in  the  tap  water.  I  think  I  should  check  what  is  the  parameter  of  the  water  that  I  have  in  my  home.  Would  possibly  give  the  water  for  testing  very  soon.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 Hi  Sandeep
 
 Finally  your  patience  and  diligence  bore  fruit  and  now  you  have  a  lush  tank  Smile  ..Congrats
 
 One  thing  I  have  noticed  in  your  posts  is  your  measurement  of  different  water  parameters.  
 
 Can  you  pls  guide  us  on  how  to  measure  of  different  minerals  in  your  tank.
 
 Offlate  my  tank  is  facing  slight  problem  of  BBA  and  green  brush  algae  which  I  am  not  able  to  conrtol.
 
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Hi  Sandeep
 Finally  your  patience  and  diligence  bore  fruit  and  now  you  have  a  lush  tank  Smile  ..Congrats
 One  thing  I  have  noticed  in  your  posts  is  your  measurement  of  different  water  parameters.  
 Can  you  pls  guide  us  on  how  to  measure  of  different  minerals  in  your  tank.
 Offlate  my  tank  is  facing  slight  problem  of  BBA  and  green  brush  algae  which  I  am  not  able  to  conrtol.
 Regards
 Sanjay  Dubey                

 
 I  got  my  water  tested  at  a  lab.
 If  you  are  interested  in  detailed  discussion  on  water  parameters,  check  this  post
 http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/10279-Trying-to-understand-Kh-and-GH
 
 Post  no8  of  this  thread  gives  all  water  parameters.
 I  don't  think  you  need  to  check  all  those  water  parameters.
 BBA  is  often  a  result  of  fluctuating  Co2,  I  also  had  bba  in  my  tank,  if  you  look  at  the  second  picture.
 Stable  co2  often  cures  it.
 There  is  one  another  parameter  which  we  often  overlook,  in  trying  to  keep  algae  away  we  keep  very  low  phosphate  levels.
 It  took  a  great  deal  of  courage  on  my  part  at  least  to  increase  phosphates,  but  it  actually  helps  in  keeping  alage  away.
 
 I  am  now  dosing  as  follows,  K  50  ppm,  No3  30  ppm,  Phosphates  1  ppm,  micros(iron  .1-.15  ppm),  these  are  weekly  ppm.
 They  are  dosed  thrice  a  week


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 Sandeep  Raghuvanshi,
 Great  point.  I  think  all  three  parameters  are  required  for  a  stable  setup.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: My experiences with High Light Co2 tank Reply with quote

 I  actually  stopped  digging  your  journal  Very Happy  thanks  for  this  relief.  Good  to  know  the  tank  is  developing  nicely.
 
 How  about  starting  off  with  some  exoticas  now?
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 great  contribution  sandeep.  This  will  help  us  a  lot
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 nice
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 Nicely  coming  along  now.  Great  insight  into  the  parameters.
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