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 I  have  been  toying  with  the  idea  of  unconventional  substrates,  if  you  may  call  it  that,  for  planted  aquaria.  I  got  the  idea  from  the  Nano  Planted  tanks  marketed  by  Tropica.
 The  medium  used  to  anchor  plants  is  a  rubberised  coir  mat.
 
 I  got  this  mat  3-4  years  ago,  and  was  holding  on  to  it  until  I  had  sufficient  plants  to  use.  Well  the  time  seems  to  be  now!
 
 
 
 This  is  the  reverse  side  of  the  mat.
 
 
 Here  are  close  ups  of  the  Bottom  and  Top  sides.
 
 
 
 I  wet  the  mat  and  cutout  a  small  piece  if  see  how  long  it  would  take  to  sink,  surprise  -  once  I  squeesed  the  air  out  the  mat  sank  instantly.
 Here's  the  mat  in  the  tank,  looks  good  so  far.
 
 Here's  a  top  view.
 
 
 The  back  pane  will  have  a  Taiwan  Moss  wall.  Anubias  nana,  Anubias  coffeefolia,  Spikey  moss  on  driftwood,  Erect  moss  on  drift  wood,  narrow  leaved  Java  fern,  Java  fern  phillipines,  Java  fern  windelov  and  possibly  Bolbitis  huedelotii  will  make  up  the  aquascape  along  with  a  dwarf  crypt  variety  from  Tropica.
 
 I  hope  this  aquascape  works  out,  so  far  anything  unconventional  has  not.
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 Madan,
 
 1.Looks  interesting.  Are  you  planning  to  just  stick  with  the  mat  or  are  you  planning  to  add  substrate  too?
 2.  How  about  fixing  the  plant?  Are  you  planning  to  use  threads  to  tie  them?
 3.  Let  us  know  where  you  got  this  from,  is  this  like  a  normal  coir  foot  mat  ?
 
 Keep  us  posted.
 
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 Hi  Madan,
 Amazing..  I  bought  few  Java  fern  phillipines  from  Shanghai..  the  ferns  were  grown  on  a  coir  sheet  similarly,  and  were  sold  in  terms  of  sqft.
 I  have  not  removed  the  coir  bed  still,  and  the  plants  are  doing  well.
 G.Senthil  Kumar
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 Great  Idea  Madan
 I  think  it  fantastic  for  making  a  "Java  moss  Lawn"  type  of  thing.
 Is  this  a  normal  jute  mat.
 Just  one  doubt,  would  it  not  rot  under  water.
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Just  one  doubt,  would  it  not  rot  under  water.                

 
 Prob  No  if  it's  cleaned  and  washed  properly...  Have  seen  people  adding  Coir  in  their  filter  media  too.
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 Even  I  have  used  it  in  some  top  filters,  does  not  rot.  Atleast  not  yet  reported  by  any    person  Chuckle  
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 Seems  different....  but  I  guess  only  few  undemanding  plants  could  be  used  on  such  substrate...  am  I  right??
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 I  don't  know  how  many  have  seen  The  Tropica  stall  at  Aquarama  in  Singapore.  They  have  2-3  beautiful  display  tanks,  where  the  tank  looks  as  though  it's  been  setup  for  a  long  time.  Not  the  "Planted  Yesterday"  look.
 
 How  does  one  achieve  that?
 
 I  have  had  numerous  communications  with  Claus  Christensen  MD  of  Tropica  among  others,  over  the  years  regarding  this  and  was  let  in  on  a  secret.  The  trick  is  to  grow  the  plants  under  aquarium  conditions/  or  emersed  in  the  form  required  by  the  aquascape,  Tropica  has  Glossostigma  and  H.callitrichoides  on  the  movable  substrate,  have  the  plants  fully  covering  it,  and  then  transport  the  Aquascape  along  with  all  the  components  like  plants  on  driftwood,  rocks  etc.,  separately  and  assemble  everything  back  where  ever  required.
 
 It's  like  putting  together  a  Lego  set!
 
 Tropica  I  know  does  not  use  this  mat  for  their  large  display  aquariums  but  do  use  this  for  their  nano  tanks.
 
 This  is  a  lot  easier  than  transporting  a  Planted  Aquarium  with  gravel  as  substrate.
 
 No  the  coirmat  is  not  the  normal  FOOT  MAT.
 
 This  mat  is  used  as  a  rooting  medium  for  plants  in  hydroponics,  and  developed  for  that  purpose  alone.  It  may  be  available  in  India,  you'll  have  to  check.  I  mail  ordered  off  a  website,  the  address  I  don't  remember  now.
 
 The  mat  sinks  in  water,  I  am  not  going  to  stick  it  with  silicone  or  anything.  I  want  a  "transportable"  planted  aquarium.  Smile  
 The  plants  like  anubias  and  Java  fern  will  be  initially  tied  down  with  fishing  line.
 
 When  I  get  hold  of  Glossostigma  elatinoides,  I'll  simply  be  pushing  the  plants  into  the  coir  and  expect  them  to  hold  on.
 
 This  is  not  the  usual  coir  footmat  and  it  is  not  made  of  Jute.
 Do  a  Google  for  the  source,  price  etc.,
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 I  tried  a  trial  planting.  Here's  what  it  looks  like  underwater.
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 wow  !  seems  so  innovative  !!
 Few  questions  though..
 What  about  root  feeders  ?
 Will  this  proove  good  for  them  ?
 Does  this  defy  the  need  for  enriched  subtstrate  ?
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 What  are  those  plants??
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 Madan,  do  keep  us  posted  on  this  as  this  can  be  good  news  for  many  of  us  who  display  tanks  at  public  places  temporarily  and  such  a  thing  will  lessen  a  lot  of  labour!
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 I  have  seen  these  type  of  coir  mats  available  easily  and  cheaply  in  Kerala.  But  the  only  thing  is  that  they  donot  have  the  mesh  kind  of  thing  on  their  top.  
 
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rohansd  wrote:                
wow  !  seems  so  innovative  !!
 Few  questions  though..
 What  about  root  feeders  ?
 Will  this  proove  good  for  them  ?
 Does  this  defy  the  need  for  enriched  subtstrate  ?                

 
 I  don't  believe  in  the  classification  of  aquatic  plants  as  "root  feeders"  and  "leaf  feeders".
 
 IME  aquatic  plants  adapt  to  use  what  ever  nutrition  is  available  either  in  the  substrate,  water  column  or  both.
 
 None  of  my  tanks  have  an  enriched  substrate.  Whatever  micro/macro  dosing  is  needed  I  do  to  the  water  column  only.
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aquascapes  wrote:                
Madan,  do  keep  us  posted  on  this  as  this  can  be  good  news  for  many  of  us  who  display  tanks  at  public  places  temporarily  and  such  a  thing  will  lessen  a  lot  of  labour!
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 Yes,  that's  the  idea!
 
 More  people  see  such  tanks,  more  get  into  the  hobby!
 
 I  am  sure  it  will  not  be  as  easy  as  -  tie  plants  to  a  mat,  immerse  in  water,  display.  I  want  to  see  what  it  takes  to  create  a  working  model.
 
 I'll  keep  this  thread  updated  all  along.
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