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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 this  is  the  conclusion  i  got  from  above  posts  
 ok  so  from  tommorrow  onwards  8hrs  photoperiod
 dosing  mgso4,k2so4,kno3,potassium  phosphate  ,microsolB  wrt  to  chukks  calculator.
 and  20-25%  wc  every  3  days.
 
 any  changes  for  this  schedule  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Here  is  a  simple  EI  dosing  chart  for  your  tank,
   
 LINK  
 
 If  you  are  using  timer  then  go  for  a  2+6  hr  photo  period  with  1  hr  break  inbetwen.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 thanks  for  the  link  tirtha  .
 yes  i  would  follow  the  2+6  photoperiod
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If  you  are  using  timer  then  go  for  a  2+6  hr  photo  period  with  1  hr  break  inbetwen.                

 
 What  is  this  1  hour  break  for  ??
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Arvind,
 
 This  might  interest  you:
 
 http://forum.aquatic-gardeners.org/viewtopic.php?p=2454&
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Arvind
 
 Start  dosing  slightly  under  to  what  comes  out  of  the  Chucks  calculator...  gradually  increase...
 
 With  reagards  to  CO2,  are  you  using  air  stone  to  diffuse..
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

                                                   
ravi  wrote  (View  Post):                
                                                 
T2CHATTO  wrote  (View  Post):                
If  you  are  using  timer  then  go  for  a  2+6  hr  photo  period  with  1  hr  break  inbetwen.                

 
 What  is  this  1  hour  break  for  ??                

 
 Ravi,  please  take  a  look  at  the  below  link.  We  had  a  nice  discussion  on  this  couple  of  days  back.  Smile  Let  me  know  your  thoughts.
 
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9757&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=967388f23f91968a4078f99f0b18ea05
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 from  past  2  days  I  am  noticing  that  leaves  of  mine  hygrophila  
 difformis  plants  are  closing  and  not  in  the  shape  they  used  to  be  before.
 Is  this  a  nutrient  deficiency?
 I  am  following  EI  method  of  dosing.kno3  Kh2po4  as  macros  and  microsol  B  as  micro.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Picture  please.  Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Also
 Let  us  know  your  dosing  quantity  and  frequency.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 i  cant  click  the  pics  from  mine  n6681  to  give  u  a  detailed  look  but  the
 leaves  look  somewhat  like  this
 http://hgic.clemson.edu/hottopics/images/2008/05leaf_roll_jww300.jpg
 
 mine  dosing  quantities  are-
 KNo3-40  gm  in  500  ml-  dosing  15ml
 kh2po4-15  gms  in  500  ml-  dosing  5  ml  
 microsol  B-1  heaped  spoon  in  1  lts  .
 macros  are  dosed  alternate  days  during  photoperiod  and  microsolB  daily  1  drop(small)  after  lights  gone  off.
 sunday  50%  water  change  and  dosing  macros.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Check  out  this  page
 http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_nutrient.htm
 Scroll  down  to  see  some  symptoms  of  nutrient  deficiency.
 As  per  the  website,  yours  is  most  probably  Calcium  deficiency.
 You  need  to  increase  the  dosage  of  Microsol-B.
 I  am  more  comfortable  using  teaspoon  as  measure  and  it  worked  well  for  me.
 EI  is  about  estimative  dosing  so  no  accurate  measuring  business  Smile
 I  religiously  followed  the  dosage  given  in  the  site  which  I  mentioned  in  my  previous  post.As  per  that  your  dosage  should  be  as  follows
 
 For  20-40  Gallons  (76-152  litres)
 20ml  KNO3  solution  or  1/4  tsp  KNO3  3x  a  week
 12ml  KH2PO4  solution  or  1/16  tsp  KH2PO4  3x  a  week
 5ml  trace  solution  or  1/16  tsp  traces  3x  a  week
 
 I  used  to  add  all  the  chemical  powders  directly   to  a  small  cup  of  water  and  would  pour  all  of  it  in  the  tank  directly.
 This  could  change  upward  or  downwards  as  per  the  nutrient  intake  of  your  plants  depending  on  various  parameters  but  this  is  more  or  less  works  well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

 Hi,
 I  am  not  contradicting  any  one  but   Christel  kasslemann(Author  of  Aquarium  plant  care  and  maintainence)  Â does  not  recommend  break  in  photoperiod  and  also  It  doesnt  happen  in  nature  either.
 I  am  eagerly  waiting  for  the  post  to  be  updated  for  this  information.
 the  plants  peak  in  photosynthesis  from  12  noon  to  4  pm  because  at  this  time  the  sun  reaches  absolutely  perpendicular  to  the  longitude  of  the  station  and  angle  of  incidence  on  water  is  90  degress  hence  the  loss  of  energy  is  meniscule  and  the  light  can  penetrate  better.
 
   The  Earth  is  revolving  at  the  speed  of  approximately  900  nautical  miles  an  hour  at  equator(360degX60xcos  0deg/24).  please  note  most  of  the  tropical  plants  thrive  at  30  degrees  of  latitude  either  side  of  the  equator  and  photo  period  from  winters  to  summers  varies  from  10  to  14  hours.  if  converted  the  sun  travels  15  deg  04  mins  in  one  hours  from  perpendicular  position  to  more  of  obtuse  side  and  the  incident  angle  increases.  when  the  angle  of  rays  of  sun  reaches  the  critical  angle  of  incidence(  60  deg)  with  the  surface  of  water..most  of  rays  of  sun  are  reflected  and  refracted  as  the  sun  has  moved  60  degres  west  and  therefore  at  this  time  the  photosynthesis  process  starts  to  slow  down  in  plants.(Angle  of  inclination  of  66.5  deg  of  earths  axis  is  not  taken  in  to  account  as  i  have  already  mentioned  the  difference  in  photoperiod  due  seasons)
 I  have  tried  to  follow  this  regime  and  my  tank  is  doing  okay.  I  am  happy  to  change  if  some  new  research  ca  bring  about  changes  for  better.
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: Re: DOSING(pics updated) Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi,
 I  am  not  contradicting  any  one  but  Â Christel  kasslemann(Author  of  Aquarium  plant  care  and  maintainence)  Â does  not  recommend  break  in  photoperiod  and  also  It  doesnt  happen  in  nature  either.
 I  am  eagerly  waiting  for  the  post  to  be  updated  for  this  information.
 the  plants  peak  in  photosynthesis  from  12  noon  to  4  pm  because  at  this  time  the  sun  reaches  absolutely  perpendicular  to  the  longitude  of  the  station  and  angle  of  incidence  on  water  is  90  degress  hence  the  loss  of  energy  is  meniscule  and  the  light  can  penetrate  better.
 
   The  Earth  is  revolving  at  the  speed  of  approximately  900  nautical  miles  an  hour  at  equator(360degX60xcos  0deg/24).  please  note  most  of  the  tropical  plants  thrive  at  30  degrees  of  latitude  either  side  of  the  equator  and  photo  period  from  winters  to  summers  varies  from  10  to  14  hours.  if  converted  the  sun  travels  15  deg  04  mins  in  one  hours  from  perpendicular  position  to  more  of  obtuse  side  and  the  incident  angle  increases.  when  the  angle  of  rays  of  sun  reaches  the  critical  angle  of  incidence(  60  deg)  with  the  surface  of  water..most  of  rays  of  sun  are  reflected  and  refracted  as  the  sun  has  moved  60  degres  west  and  therefore  at  this  time  the  photosynthesis  process  starts  to  slow  down  in  plants.(Angle  of  inclination  of  66.5  deg  of  earths  axis  is  not  taken  in  to  account  as  i  have  already  mentioned  the  difference  in  photoperiod  due  seasons)
 I  have  tried  to  follow  this  regime  and  my  tank  is  doing  okay.  I  am  happy  to  change  if  some  new  research  ca  bring  about  changes  for  better.
 
 
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 Tarun...  please  stop  quoting  from  Books.  We  are  talking  about  Aquarium,  not  astronomy.  Just  because  something  is  printed  on  a  book  does  not  make  it  so.  
 
 Before  suggesting  this  break  in  photo  period,  I  read  others  experience  and  implemented  it  in  my  tank.  Based  on  the  result  I  got,  I  am  suggesting  so.  
 
 If  you  have  something  from  your  own  practical  experince,  please  share.  I  can  show  you  5  different  books  by  5  different  authors  who  are  explaining  things  in  5  different  ways.  
 
 Instead  of  going  by  books,  read  up  different  forums  to  know  others  practical  experience.  
 
 Please  do  not  take  it  otherwise.  Cause  in  this  hobby  practical  experience  is  the  last  word  we  can  be  confident  about.
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 Hi,
 every  word  i  have  written  up  here  is  scientific.  If  you  can  backup  your  experience  with  reasons  please  do  so.
 If  you  have  got  results  from  doing  a  particular  act  you  might  have  been  just  lucky  and  its  not  a  proven  fact.
 The  books  i  have  qouted  are  by  authors  who  are  legends  in  this  hobby  I  dont  necessarily  say  they  are  always  correct.  They  too  mention  their  own  personal  experiences  in  their  books  just  the  way  you  did.
 Probably  they  have  experience  in  this  hobby  for  years.
 If  you  can  contradict  the  scientific  back  grounds  i  have  given  by  proving  it  wrong  please  feel  free  to  do  so.
 We  are  here  to  learn  and  share  the  science  of  aquarium  keeping  which  is  far  more  complex  than  mere  only  experience.
 It  is  my  kind  request  you  to  share  your  good  experiences  and  not  to  post  stinkers  like  this.
 I  will  like  to  give  a  try  with  your  experience  any  way.  Will  talk  to  you  on  this  soon
 
 with  warm  regards


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