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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Lowest cost way to eliminate green hair, bubble & tu Reply with quote

 The  new  Hang-On-Glass  UAS  with  bubble  remover:
 
 
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 Everybody  loves  growth  pictures:  
 
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 7  Days  of  growth  after  first  cleaning:
 
 
 Video  of  first  cleaning  after  9  days  of  growth  from  a  new  screen:
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 Video  of  7  days  of  growth  after  the  first  cleaning:
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 Time  to  eat  more  TV  dinners  and  save  those  trays  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Lowest cost way to eliminate green hair, bubble & tu Reply with quote

 would  it  be  useful,  i  have  an  80L  tank...  starting  out  a  new  tank,  this  is  the  fourth  day...
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 Yes,  you  can  use  a  scrubber  for  cycling,  it'll  eliminate  most  of  the  cycle.  Smile
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 What  about  larger  tanks  like  90  gallons  or  so?  Will  it  work  there?
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 It  really  depends  on  your  feeding,  if  you  have  a  lot  of  fish  in  your  tank,  you  probably  need  a  bigger  one,  but  yes,  it  works.
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 Hi  Kaia,
 
 Are  these  air  bubbles  needed  only  for  rapid  turbulent  flow?
 If  I  am  able  to  make  the  flow  even  with  out  air  bubbles,  is  it  fine?
 Or  does  algae  need/prefer  Oxygen  in  air  bubbles  for  it's  growth.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: Re: Lowest cost way to eliminate green hair, bubble & tu Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Kaia,
 
 Are  these  air  bubbles  needed  only  for  rapid  turbulent  flow?
 If  I  am  able  to  make  the  flow  even  with  out  air  bubbles,  is  it  fine?
 Or  does  algae  need/prefer  Oxygen  in  air  bubbles  for  it's  growth.
 
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 The  algae  needs  to  touch  the  air,  so  yes,  you  need  the  bubbles.
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 Are  Nitrates  and  Phosphates,  the  only  nutrients  responsible  for  Algae  bloom?
 Does  algae  consume  only  phosphates  and  nitrates?
 
 What  about  the  potassium,  Iron,  Magnesium  and  other  nutrient  levels?
 Won't  the  high  levels  of  these  nutrients  considerably  affect  the  algae  growth?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Lowest cost way to eliminate green hair, bubble & tu Reply with quote

                                                   
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Are  Nitrates  and  Phosphates,  the  only  nutrients  responsible  for  Algae  bloom?
 Does  algae  consume  only  phosphates  and  nitrates?
 
 What  about  the  potassium,  Iron,  Magnesium  and  other  nutrient  levels?
 Won't  the  high  levels  of  these  nutrients  considerably  affect  the  algae  growth?                

 
 Mostly..  Most  of  the  algae  bloom  due  to  the  high  phosphates  and  then  the  nitrates.  
 
 Iron,  magnesium  does  effect  the  growth  of  algae  but  in  lesser  effect.  To  my  understanding  they  are  mainly  caused  due  to  Phosphates  and  nitrates.
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 Algae  eats  ammonia  too.
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 Some  success  stories  of  people  using  waterfall  algae  scrubbers  on  different  sites:
 
 Aydee  on  the  scrubber  site:  "I'm  going  to  call  this  a  success.  My  nitrates  had  been  sitting  steady  at  about  10  or  so  for  over  a  year.  For  it  to  drop  to  undetectable  in  2  weeks..  THAT  is  impressive.  I  have  got  my  skimmer  running  still,  but  once  my  ATS  is  running,  I'll  turn  off  the  skimmer  (not  remove..  Yet....)  If  situation  remains  excellent  as  the  trend  currently  is,  I'll  remove  the  skimmer.  However,  I  came  into  ATS  thinking  "It  can't  hurt,  as  I'll  keep  my  skimmer  running"  and  now  I'm  thinking  "WOAH!  They're  right!".
 Obviously,  the  proof  will  be  in  2  years  time,  ATS  sans  skimmer..  But..  So  far,  the  numbers  are  fantastic."
 
 Robert_Patterso  on  the  RC  site:  "Best  thing  I  have  ever  put  on  any  of  my  tanks  in  over  25  years  of  being  in  the  hobby"  
 
 Pskelton  on  the  RC  site:  "I  personally  have  not  done  a  water  change  in  6  months  ever  since  I  implemented  my  scrubber.  long  story  short  my  tank  was  a  mess,  kid  dumped  container  of  food  in  tank.  I  got  a  snow  flake  eel  that  dug  up  my  sand  bed  and  I  was  running  a  very  under  powered  cheep  skimmer.  This  lead  to  my  nitrates  peeking  at  160.  I  did  water  changes  for  a  while  but  the  nitrate  just  keep  coming  back  up  to  160.  The  water  changes  were  getting  expensive  and  I  was  about  to  give  up  when  I  tried  the  scrubber.  Within  a  few  weeks  nitrate  dropped  to  60  and  slowly  came  down  from  there.  As  of  my  test  last  week  I  am  finally  at  0  nitrate  and  I  haven't  done  a  water  change  in  six  months.  The  protean  skimmer  has  been  removed  and  my  tank  is  healthier  than  ever.  I  am  just  waiting  for  the  algae  on  my  rocks  to  finish  dieing  off."  
 
 Murph  on  the  scrubber  site:  "my  ATS  is  coming  along  fine.  I  think  I  spent  about  30  bucks  making  it.  When  I  compare  that  to  the  thousand  or  more  I  have  spent  on  skimmers  over  the  past  ten  years  or  so  that  made  little  to  no  difference  when  it  came  to  nuisance  algae  in  the  display  I  want  to  pull  my  hair  out.  My  ATS  has  out  done  them  all  in  a  matter  of  a  few  months."
 
 Spotter  on  the  RC  site:  "Nitrate  Day  1:  5ppm,  Week  1:  0ppm,  Week  2:  0ppm.  P04  Day  1:  .035,
 Week  1:  .015,  Week  2:  .0092   I  am  liking  this  very  much."  
 
 JohnnyB_in_SD  on  the  RC  site:  "I  feed  about  6-7  cubes  a  day  on  a  100gl  tank,  and  10-12  cubes  two  days  a  week  when  I  do  the  nems  &  corals  too.  N&P  have  been  undetectable  since  I  started  using  ATS,  which  is  a  mickey  mouse  rubber  maid  tub  version.  Since  I  am  always  looking  for  the  easiest  way  to  do  everything,  I  will  continue  cleaning  the  whole  screen  once  a  week.  For  me,  it  was  a  real  struggle  maintaining  water  quality  with  just  a  fuge:  starving  my  fish,  super  skimming,  massive  weekly  water  changes  -  just  to  keep  Nitrates  near  20ppm  and  Phosphate  under  1.0.  That  all  went  away  with  an  ATS,  the  hobby  is  much  more  enjoyable  and  not  a  huge  chore."  
 
 Thedude657  on  the  scrubber  site:  "So  my  screen  finally  filled  out  with  greenish  algae.  Water  quality  is  excellent  and  now  I  have  all  sorts  of  cool  things  growing  on  my  live  rock.  Little  white  sponges  are  popping  up  everywhere,  some  stuff  I  have  no  clue  what  it  is  yet.  Just  wanted  to  say  thanks  to  help  me  get  started."
 
 Chrisfraser05  on  the  RC  site:  "I  just  wanted  to  jump  in  and  say  after  bumping  into  Santamonica  on  a  forum  a  while  back  and  also  watching  Lafishguys  videos  I  started  a  marine  tank  [8  months  ago].  Obviously  I  started  my  first  tank  with  a  DIY  algae  scrubber  and  have  NEVER  seen  either  nitrate  or  phosphate."
 
 Redneckgearhead  on  the  scrubber  site:  "Heres  the  pics  of  my  HA  problem.  [algea  all  over]These  where  taken  just  before  I  added  my  scrubber.  I  had  tried  EVERYTHING  nothing  helped.  I  paid  a  small  fortune  for  a  skimmer  that  I  was  told  would  surely  take  care  of  the  problem.  The  HA  laughed  and  kept  on  growing.  My  lights  where  down  to  3  hours  a  day,  my  fish  where  only  fed  a  small  amount  every  two  to  three  days,  I  was  doing  10  percent  water  changes  twice  a  week.  And  keep  in  mind  those  picks  are  only  about  3  days  growth,  I  would  remove  about  80  percent  of  the  HA  during  my  water  changes.  These  are  pics  I  took  today  just  before  my  weekly  water  change.  [almost  no  algae]  I  am  feeding  daily,  my  fish  are  now  fat  and  happy.  My  scrubber  is  working  beautifully!  I  am  so  glad  I  found  out  about  scrubbers.  I  am  still  using  my  skimmer,  but  I  may  take  it  off  line  as  soon  as  all  the  HA  is  gone.  From  the  looks  of  things  that  shouldn't  be  much  longer."
 
 Fragglerocks  on  the  RC  site:  "Ive  gotten  rid  of  95%  of  all  "bad"  algae  in  the  DT  and  my  P04  Level  is  0.12  checked  by  Hanna  meter.  Nitrates  -  Zero.  I  feed  the  equivalent  of  2  frozen  cubes  per  day,  along  with  pellets  whenever  I  think  about  it.  up  to  2  times  per  day."
 
 Scrubit  on  the  scrubber  site:  "have  been  running  a  scrubber-only  90gal  tank  for  over  a  year  now  with  great  success.  [...]  I  was  ready  to  buy  a  big  ol  skimmer  for  my  new  tank  build  when  I  came  across  some  of  the  info  SM  had  posted.  That  was  all  it  took,  and  I've  never  looked  back.  NEVER  had  algae  in  DT,  NEVER  had  readable  nitrates/phos  after  cycle,  and  have  probably  changed  out  maybe  40gal  of  water  since  setup.  Personally  I  find  running  a  scrubber  almost  as  fun  as  the  tank  itself!"
 
 Psyops  on  the  RC  site:  "I  had  a  DSB  and  chaeto  fuge.  When  I  added  a  ATS,  the  chaeto  disappeared.  I  don't  know  if  the  DSB  is  doing  anything.  I  feed  my  fish  and  tank  from  1-2  times  daily  depending  on  my  schedule.  The  ATS  is  doing  really  well,  especially  when  I  added  a  Calcium  reactor  3  months  ago.  I  did  not  believe  some  of  the  stuff  people  were  saying  on  how  effective  an  ATS  system  could  be,  but  they  were  mostly  correct."
 
 JohnnyBinSD  on  the  RC  site:  "I  finally  got  around  to  putting  an  ATS  on  my  tank  3  weeks  ago.  Just  harvested  a  pile  of  algae  off  it  tonight.  In  those  3  weeks  I  have  doubled  the  amount  of  daily  food  I  put  in  the  tank,  run  the  skimmer  6  hours/day  instead  of  24/7,  and  removed  the  lighting  from  the  chaeto  in  the  old  fuge.  Nitrates  &  phosphates  are  undetectable,  algae  in  the  display  tank  is  almost  nonexistent,  fish  are  fat  &  happy.  An  ATS  is  the  cheapest  &  most  effective  thing  I've  ever  done  to  improve  water  quality.  I  wish  I  had  built  one  sooner."  
 
 Kcmopar  on  the  MFT  site:  "Its  been  about  5  weeks  (started  the  weekend  before  fathers  day)  or  so  and  the  green  hair  algae  has  stopped  growing  in  my  40G.  Yeah!!!  Its  all  receding,  maybe  just  a  few  percent  left  at  the  base  of  a  couple  rocks  that  my  coral  beauty  snacks  on.  Just  amazing.  Started  this  40G  salt  from  Jump  with  an  ATS.  IT  NEVER  CYCLED!!!  I  have  little  pods,  tiny  feather  dusters,  and  other  critters  thriving  like  crazy.  Coraline  already  starting  to  spread  across  the  tank.  Nutrients  are  always  zero  to  just  barely  detectable  on  both  the  10g  and  40g.  Also  a  note  on  the  40G,  I  never  had  to  do  a  water  change  yet!!!  No  test  results  ever  got  past  barely  detectable.  I  have  been  dabbling  with  an  ATS  on  a  10  gallon  Freshwater  as  well.  Same  results  so  far.  I  am  building  a  bigger  one  for  my  150G  FW  in  a  few  weeks."
 
 Reeftanker  on  the  MFUK  site:  "i  have  cleaned  it  about  8/10  times  now,  about  50-90  grams  of  algae  each  time  and  i  have  just  tsted  my  tank  i  have  on  my  test  kits;  Phosphates  =  clear  that  means  undetectable  levels  on  my  test  kit,  Nitrates  =  1ppm  maybe  2ppm,  what  more  do  i  have  to  say  im  am  chuffed  to  bits  and  over  the  moon"
 
 Etan  on  the  MFUK  site:  "Just  to  share  some  of  my  results  with  my  scrubber.  I  set  up  my  new  tank  at  beginning  of  Jan(Rio  400).  The  only  filtration  I  have  on  the  tank  is  a  scrubber  and  about  50kg  of  live  rock.  After  the  tank  had  cycled  my  nitrates  peaked  at  about  25ppm  about  2  weeks  ago.  There  were  only  2  clowns  and  2  chromis  in  tank  and  small  cuc.  Just  tested  today  after  all  stock  and  cuc  from  old  tank  have  been  in  there  for  about  1  week  and  nitrate  reading  is  only  2ppm  and  not  much  signs  of  algee  in  main  tank  or  on  glass.  It  seems  to  me  the  scrubber  is  doing  its  job."
 
 Weatherby68ss  on  the  scrubber  site:  "i  have  been  into  this  hobby  for  3  years  now  and  was  using  a  wet  /dry  filter  for  the  first  year  and  a  half  or  so  untill  i  found  out  about  algae  scrubbers.  i  have  to  admit  i  would  not  still  have  an  aquarium  if  not  for  my  ats.  its  simply  to  much  time,  work  and  $$$  using  any  other  type  of  filtration.  with  the  ats  i  can  actually  sit  back  and  enjoy  my  tank  and  keep  my  fish  fat  and  happy  with  out  worrying  about  the  next  water  change  because  i  hav'nt  done  1  in  over  a  year!  Very Happy  anyone  thats  thinking  about  building  1  all  i  can  say  is  go  for  it  THEY  WORK!!!  nuff  said"
 
 Mgraf  on  the  RC  site:  "I  have  been  running  a  scrubber  for  about  8  months  now,  at  first  I  had  a  skimmer  running,  macro's,  rock  rubble,  and  deep  sand  bed.  Same  setup  as  you  almost.  I  still  have  the  deep  sand  bed  but,  eliminated  the  other  stuff  over  time  for  the  sake  of  simplicity.  I  clean  the  scrubbers  algae  once  a  week,  do  monthly  water  changes,  feed  often  and  alot,  and  my  corals  and  fish  have  never  been  happier  or  fatter  in  the  year  and  a  half  it  has  been  set  up.  Many  may  disagree  but,  for  me  it  is  the  easiest  way  to  run  a  salt  water  reef."
 
 Jukka  on  the  RC  site:  "I  used  to  have  various  carbon  sources  +  ATB  Supersize  skimmer  as  filtration  for  my  400  gal  reef.  I  never  succeeded  to  outcompete  nutrient  problems  with  those,  no  matter  how  much  carbon  I  added.  I  also  tried  the  pellet  version.  Since  building  a  large  scrubber  with  lots  of  light,  all  problems  are  gone.  But  I  didn't  take  the  skimmer  out  of  the  system  and  didn't  stop  carbon  dosing,  and  don't  intend  to.  I  just  reduced  carbon  amount  to  about  1/10  of  the  original.  I  like  the  effects  carbon  does  for  fungi,  and  other  stuff  like  that,  growth.  Though  other  reason  for  keeping  skimmer  online  is  the  amount  I  paid  for  the  supersize  ATB.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Lowest cost way to eliminate green hair, bubble & tu Reply with quote

 Some  UAS  builds...
 
 "Acorral"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Badfish"  on  the  RC  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Cmaxtian"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 "Deneed4spd"  onthe  TCMAS  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 "Ewerd"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Fishuntbike"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "FloydRturbo"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Hugbert"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Jaz"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Kalgra"  on  the  R2R  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "KelliZackMOMon"on  the  LR  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "MorganAtlanta"on  the  scrubber  site;
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Octavia-vrs"on  the  your  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Othello"on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "OwenReefin"on  the  PNWMAS  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Pecker115"on  the  your  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Cermet"  on  the  AC  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 "Promazine"on  the  your  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Bobba"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Reefnjunkie"on  the  PNWMAS  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "RkyRickstr"on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Ruddybop"on  the  MFK  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Smann"  on  the  PNWMAS  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 "Strayrex"  on  the  your  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Swhite"  on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Tonymar"on  the  scrubber  site:
 
 
 
 
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