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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

 Marc,
 
 Here  is  the  Filamentosus/Assimilis  click  I  could  manage   Smile  
 
 
 Not  sure  of  the  ID  for  this  Puntius.  The  males  are  showing  a  bit  of  red.  Ben  collected  the  same  fish  and  no  specimen  is  over  an  inch.  None  above  1  inch  were  found  on  the  collection  spot  either.
 
 
 
 
 Schistura  Semiarmatus???
 
 
 Schistura  sp.  Need  definite  ID.
 
 
 A  better  pic  of  the  Meso
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Puntius sp Added (16/01/2011) Reply with quote

 Barb  -  Puntius  ticto
 
 1st  Schistura  -  yes  Schistura  semiarmatus
 2nd  -  Need  a  lateral  view.  Im  hazarding  a  guess  -  Schistura  kodaguensis/nilgiriensis
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:39 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Puntius sp Added (16/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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Im  hazarding  a  guess  -  Schistura  kodaguensis/nilgiriensis                

 
 Definitely  one  of  the  two.  Will  post  a  lateral  view.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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Marc,
 
 Here  is  the  Filamentosus/Assimilis  click  I  could  manage   Smile  
                 

 
 Looks  like  a  P.  filamentosus  .  The  mouth  looks  subterminal  and  not  inferior.
 
 Lets  see  how  it  grows....  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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Marc,
 
 Here  is  the  Filamentosus/Assimilis  click  I  could  manage   Smile  
                 

 
 Looks  like  a  P.  filamentosus  .  The  mouth  looks  subterminal  and  not  inferior.
 
 Lets  see  how  it  grows....  Smile                

 
 Its  eating  well  on  frozen  artemia  diet.  Will  try  and  capture  the  growth  date-wise.
 
 Can  you  confirm  on  the  Ticto?  Arent  they  supposed  to  have  a  broader  body  (like  a  rosy)?  Plus,  both  me  and  Ben  didnt  get  any  specimen  over  an  inch.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Can  you  confirm  on  the  Ticto?  Arent  they  supposed  to  have  a  broader  body  (like  a  rosy)?  Plus,  both  me  and  Ben  didnt  get  any  specimen  over  an  inch.                

 
 That  does  look  like  a  P.  ticto.  The  body  depth  varies  a  lot  due  to  phenotypic  plasticity,  specially  in  the  Genus  Puntius.  With  regard  to  the  size.......you  guys  could  have  hit  on  a  set  of  sub-adults   Thumb Up  
 
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 P.S.  Nice  collection  of  natives  you  got  there  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Puntius sp Added (16/01/2011) Reply with quote

 P.ticto  and  P.assimilis(Mouth  inferior)
 Both  from  Sita  river.
 
 
 BTW  I  second  Marc,  excellent  natives  Thumb Up  
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Can  you  confirm  on  the  Ticto?  Arent  they  supposed  to  have  a  broader  body  (like  a  rosy)?  Plus,  both  me  and  Ben  didnt  get  any  specimen  over  an  inch.                

 
 That  does  look  like  a  P.  ticto.  The  body  depth  varies  a  lot  due  to  phenotypic  plasticity,  specially  in  the  Genus  Puntius.  With  regard  to  the  size.......you  guys  could  have  hit  on  a  set  of  sub-adults   Thumb Up  
 
 Cheers
 
 P.S.  Nice  collection  of  natives  you  got  there  Thumb Up                

 
 phenotypic  plasticity?   Knock  Too  technical  for  me!
 
 And  thanks  a  lot  Marc   Smile  
 
 
                                                 
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 P.ticto  and  P.assimilis(Mouth  inferior)
 Both  from  Sita  river.
 
 
 BTW  I  second  Marc,  excellent  natives  Thumb Up  
 
 Regards,
 Nayak.
                 

 
 Thanks  Nayak  Sir   Smile  
 
 I  remember  the  last  time  the  Assimillis/Filamentosus  discussion  started   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: ID Fish - Loach Added (13/01/2011) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 phenotypic  plasticity?   Knock  Too  technical  for  me!
 
                 

 
 Sorry  for  not  using  simpler  words.
 
 Let  me  try  to  explain....
 
 The  genes  of  a  fish  are  called  genotype  and  the  external  body  characters  the  genes  produce  are  called  phenotype.
 
 The  genetic  composition  of  a  species  is  same  but  the  external  characters  that  these  genes  produce  are  sometimes  not  the  same.
 
 The  same  set  of  genes  producing  different  external  characters  like  body  depth,  head  shape,  fin  length  etc  in  response  to  environmental  factors  like  water  depth,  flow  of  water,  turbidity,  light  penetration  etc  is  called  phenotypic  plasticity.
 
 In  simple  words.....................same  species  having  different  body  shapes  due  to  environmental  factors  Smile     
 
 
                                                 
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 I  remember  the  last  time  the  Assimillis/Filamentosus  discussion  started   Chuckle
                 

 
 Am  still  rolling  in  it   Very Happy
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 phenotypic  plasticity?   Knock  Too  technical  for  me!
 
                 

 
 Sorry  for  not  using  simpler  words.
 
 Let  me  try  to  explain....
 
 The  genes  of  a  fish  are  called  genotype  and  the  external  body  characters  the  genes  produce  are  called  phenotype.
 
 The  genetic  composition  of  a  species  is  same  but  the  external  characters  that  these  genes  produce  are  sometimes  not  the  same.
 
 The  same  set  of  genes  producing  different  external  characters  like  body  depth,  head  shape,  fin  length  etc  in  response  to  environmental  factors  like  water  depth,  flow  of  water,  turbidity,  light  penetration  etc  is  called  phenotypic  plasticity.
 
 In  simple  words.....................same  species  having  different  body  shapes  due  to  environmental  factors  Smile     
                 

 Very  well  explained  Marc!  I  have  a  live  example  of  that.  Giant  Danios  collected  from  3  different  locations  and  they  all  have  distinct  phenotypes  (if  i  am  using  word  correctly).  Will  post  soon.
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 Sid,  
 
 I  am  not  sure  about  the  fish  being  ticto,  as  I  have  seen  a  lot  larger  specimen  of  the  ticto  complex.  As  you  said,  I  have  had  some  of  these  fish  for  more  than  a  year  and  they  reaxh  a  maximum  of  1  inch.  There  are  quite  a  few  similar  looking  species,  yet,  I  am  clueless  about  those  barbs  from  Coorg.  Congrats  to  the  filamentosus  :-)  Yet  to  find  one  :-)
 
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 I  am  not  sure  about  the  fish  being  ticto,  as  I  have  seen  a  lot  larger  specimen  of  the  ticto  complex.  As  you  said,  I  have  had  some  of  these  fish  for  more  than  a  year  and  they  reaxh  a  maximum  of  1  inch.  There  are  quite  a  few  similar  looking  species,  yet,  I  am  clueless  about  those  barbs  from  Coorg.  Congrats  to  the  filamentosus  :-)  Yet  to  find  one  :-)
 
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 I  remeber  Rahul  telling  me  Ticto  is  fairly  complex.  And  I  got  Assimillis.  The  hunt  for  filamentosus  goes  on   Very Happy
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