Joined: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 694 Location: Bangalore
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:
For your information once a hobbyist in Bangalore mentions that he's on IAH or ASK to the LFS, or he's seen with a member of ASK at any LFS - there is a sea change in their behaviour. Sadly this is restricted to that particular hobbyist alone.
Thats the point I was trying to make.Once IAH begins to roll(MORE),it can act as a regulatory watch dog.Even though IAH cannot(will not ,should not) directly take any action on any LFS,its mere presence should make the LFS think twice before putting topi on a newbie.I know severalfriends of mine who were put off by LFS "topis" and are no longer hobbyists.It is an unforunate loss to the hobby.
sir,the win-win situation is very obvious-The guidelines that result from this thread WILL be of much benefit to you because you definitely stick to even higher standards.A newbie who has just been educated from IAH guidelines will make a beeline to your store,and will buy your fish/equipment/advice with conviction!You have a dedicated client.....the newbie has a guru,and years of pleasurable hobby ahead.
Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 2753 Location: Surat, Gujarat
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject:
I have seen it in almost all the LFS in USA, they not only put the name and price, they also show the compatibility chart for each of them in A,B,C.. categories..
Even I can remember one Tank had writing ' We are sick, will visit your home next time !!'
I agree totally with Sibesh. I've seen the same in the US, and in many countries in Europe. Pardon me, all, if I'm expressing very strong opinion here, but I believe that traders (and not only traders) will never conform to such high standards voluntarily -- given our national greed for the quick buck. And, as far as I can see that good aquarium shops / pet shops etc. are so low (if at all it is there) in our governments' priority list, that to expect any law / enforcement of law in this regard is ridiculously childish. So, end result: a lot of words spent within this charmed circle.
Can we think of some actionables, friends? I was thinking of one alternative (though it needs to be really worked out in great details -- which I don't have at this point):
Is it possible for some interested people within the IAH to come together and open IAH-branded shops? It can begin with only one shop in one city, really showcasing what a good LFS should be? If that succeeds then go for chain shops. And in the long run, if IAH succeeds, it can even certify independent shops, after monitering and inspections, which adhere to the IAH bench-marks. Is this too Absurd, AGs?
Am writing this after the experience i had with the LFSs in Pune.
Most of them have corporate deals and focus only to cater them. When hobbyists like us go to buy fishes or any other accessories, they quote exorbitant prices. Some shops even outsource bauilding tanks to othet LFS and quote literally double the price of the tank. When i asked one of the LFS that he charges twice the price he simply said thats the quality of tan that he provides as he outsources the tanks to some one and has to pay him as well.
One more problem in Pune is that no one is ready to lower the price and are not even ready to negotiate. It is like this " pay me what i quote and don't negotiate". they simpley turn their face and say pls go to the other shop which sells for a lesser price as their target customers are corporates and biggies.
I have visited LFS in Coimbatore, Bangalore, Hyderabad an Chennai and have never come across this sort of attitude.
i certainly do agree with venkatesh......pune is not the place to buy anything regarding this hobby...if madan and the other moderators could start the raing system it could help a lot of budding hobbyist...the rating system needs to come up fast....could some 1 get mr ans this 1....he is also an lfs guy....
Joined: Feb 15, 2006 Posts: 2588 Location: Coimbatore
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:31 am Post subject:
Have been actively reading this topic from the time this topic appeared. In Tirupur, we have about 3 LFS operating from commercial establishments and one residential LFS (guy sells fish at his home).
Just yesterday, I noticed one more LFS appearing. These guys are just setting up shop and already had a tank with red parrots and some more !! (just glanced when I was driving past). Will check him out tomorrow.
But what I have noticed in all these places is that tanks are not completely clean (most of them have atleast a couple of dead fish), tiny blue morph cichlids (about 1 inch) are housed in the hundreds in a small tank, one guy even has a large arrowana with one droopy eye. Bettas are kept in polybag covers that wouldn't hold an audio cassette.
None of them have tetras (except one guy who had a single neon tetra), angels are rare (not good quality as well). Plecos are called tank cleaners !!!
Wish I could run an LFS someday with proper guidance to customers!!
Most of the shops have to acquire to some type of license to run their shop.
Is there a Act which governs sale of live animals?
Just have to get a 'shop act' certificate.
Regarding sale of live animals, only those animals are allowed to sell which can and are:
1) Captive bred.
2) Available in abundant quantities in nature.
Who decides on point 2 I don't know.
By the way, been following this thread from the begining, and this is what I have to say,
1) There are more than 10,000 aquarium shops in major cities of India. How many will you change? Not even 20% of these know about the basics. But, to support these foolish sellers, we have a fleet of total newbies knowing nothing. HOW WILL YOU BREAK THIS CYCLE?
Not unless the overall state of living of the country improves.
2) Before shop owners are going to change, i beg to ask all on this post, HOW MANY ARE EVEN LITERATE?? They cant spell, forget say cichlid or arowana. (most will say chiclet! or arigana!)
3) We do not have a single aquarium product brand which is the brainchild of India. From this, one can get an idea how primitive (other than efforts made by the likes of IAH) the hobby still is.
Guys, its only people like us who are interested in all the scientific dynamics of this hobby. But unfortunately, we make up for only about 1 to 2% of total aquarium keepers. Rest all are either not interested/no exposure/have no time/or just let me keep my shakrs yaar type!
SO the best we can do before trying to comment on lfs people, is try to spread more and more awareness among hobbyist like we are doing here on IAH. Then maybe things maayyy improve!
Sorry for the negative attitude, but what can I do, its just like changing the political scenario....will it improve??
Joined: Jun 29, 2003 Posts: 7087 Location: Bengaluru, India
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject:
I have said this before when this discussion has come up.
It is not the Job of IAH and moderators to reform LFS.
We are here to help hobbyists from commiting mistakes.
If you have something good to say about someone say it here.
There is no way we can verify a hobbyists claim that a particular LFS shafted him and hence we will not allow persons or establishments being named here.
It is one persons word against the other.
As for having a survey or poll regarding grading LFS it will prove counter productive. The LFS guy may simply give himself 5 stars many times or take for example yourself, you are so pissed off now you would give the LFS guy multiple thumbs down signs.
I Would like to post one of my experiences with an lfs guy in Coimbatore. I was doing my 12th standard and it was those days when i got into this hobby housing mollies. I once visited him when my golden molly gave birth to some 50 odd babies on how to take care of them, he quoted these lines which i'll never forget in life. He said "Always ensure to give the best environment for your fishes and keep them happy...if you do so they will thank and pray for your well being!"
These words might sound funny...But u should notice, the lfs guy was not a educated person. for him fishes meant a lot. he had his heart for fishes and to each n every person who came to buy fishes, he used to understand the customer's preference and accordingly used educate/sell fishes to them.
He some how made a huge impact on me and till date the words he uttered makes me to give my fishes the best of care!
amazing thread........ its a good one , and i would like to put in some views as well. We are a group of hobbyists at our place and noticed an LFS guy making people "bakra" we ensured to make this point know to all of the regular customers, we know each other because of the hobby , now he is almost out of bussiness ( though we didnt intend to do this.... we wanted to make the guy understand wht he was doing thats all).... and we are presently patronising another new LFS guy who seems to listen and atleast learn stuff from us , and this guy has a pretty idea on fishes and their upbinging and a hobbyist himself.......
What i want to mention here is lets have a thread in which all those BAD hobbyists are mentioned or only the real GOOD ones are mentioned based on the trips or meeting of IAH memebers for their respective areas, like in HYD we are planning to meet up and maybe helpfull in tipping off any newbie who has hard time finding good LFS.
" quality stuff comes at a quality rate " we as hobbyists dont mind the rates unless we get good quality fishes.
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