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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  sharing  Tirtha....
 I  had  a  doubt  regarding  the  thermocol  sheet.  Once  the  tank  is  filled  with  water,  wouldn’t  the  soil  loosen  up  and  the  thermocol  sheet  float?
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Tirtha
 hope  you  have  test  filled  with  water  after  placing  the  thermocol  in  the  tank.  I  tried  the  same  thing  about  a  month  back  in  my  25  Gallon  tank.  The  16x12  inch  thermocol  sheet  floated  up  even  with  roughly  20  Kg  rocks  on  it.  Finally  I  had  to  trim  the  sheets  and  add  more  rocks  for  the  plan  to  work
 
               

 
 Unni,  I  used  thermocol  before  in  my  4  feeter  without  any  floating  problem.  But  the  scenario  was  different  then,  as  I  had  laterite  and  gravels  on  it.  ADA  is  far  more  lighter  in  weight.  I  have  only  one  big  sheet  right  below  the  wood.  Will  cut  it  into  smaller  pieces.  And  hope  after  placing  rock  it  will  be  able  to  hold  the  pieces  down.
 
 
                                                 
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 Hi,
 
 Any  idea  whether  the  thermacoal  used  in  the  tanks  to  hold  the  rocks  will  affect  fishes.  
 
 -Kamesh
                 

 
 Thermocol  is  completely  inert.  So  it  will  not  effect  the  water  parameters.
 
 
                                                 
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 Thanks  for  sharing  Tirtha....
 I  had  a  doubt  regarding  the  thermocol  sheet.  Once  the  tank  is  filled  with  water,  wouldn’t  the  soil  loosen  up  and  the  thermocol  sheet  float?
                 

 
 Why  soil  will  be  loosen  up  after  adding  water?  It  should  get  more  compact  under  water.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 The  thermocol  was  an  issue  for  me  too  as  i  tried  to  put  some  in  the  cichlid  tank.  the  problem  is  that  you  have  to  put  rocks  at  all  the  edges  keeoing  in  mind  that  even  not  a  single  edge/area  should  be  left  free.  if  it  happens  so  then  a  particular  area  will  come  up  as  you  fill  water  and  that  will  be  end  of  it.  i  had  too  much  trouble  with  the  ordinary  shell  sand.  i  wonder  with  ADA  that  will  be  the  end  of  a  motivation  Smile  
 
 rest  all  looking  quite  good.  how  many  fans  you  planning  to  use?  now  in  Bangalore  water  temperature  goes  up  to  26  degrees  (with  my  PLL  on)  and  one  12  V  fan  is  helping  me  to  reduce  it  to  23(for  my  18  gallon).  how  many  fans  you  think  you  will  need  to  cool  this  to  around  25?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Good  to  see  you  start  of,  will  keep  watching  this  thread.   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Unni/Mudda/Prashanta,  now  you  guys  put  me  into  serious  thinking  about  those  thermocols.  I  can  make  smaller  piece  but  will  not  be  able  to  introduce  lots  of  rocks  as  weight.  How  about  sticking  those  thermocols  directly  on  the  glass  floor  with  double  sided  sticky  tape????  What  you  say??   Confused  
 
 Thanks  Dev.  Please  drop  in  to  check  the  progress.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Stick  it  down  with  Silicon?  Superglue  doesn't  work  with  thermocol  {it  kind  of  melts  away  from  the  glue}
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Silicon  will  be  too  permanent  kind  of  solution.  And  will  spoil  the  tank  bottom  for  ever.   Crying or Very sad  
 
 And  no  cyanoacrylates  base  glue  like  Super  glue/Faviquick  will  not  stick  thermocol.  
 
 What  you  think  about  my  idea,  sticking  them  with  double  sided  sticky  tape?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Tirtha,  double  sided  tape  will  lose  its  grip  over  time.  Secondly,  why  are  you  bothered  about  the  base  getting  spoiled  by  silicone,  it  will  forever  be  covered  with  gravel  unless  you  plan  on  keeping  bare  bottom  tank  for  FH.   Just  apply  silicone  on  the  sides  and  a  little  bit  at  the  center,  you  will  be  able  to  scrape  off  most  of  it  with  a  blade.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 hi  tirtha  da,  seems  like  we  are  about  to  see  one  of  your  masterpieces  again!!  all  the  best  dada.
 if  i  may  add  one  point  here,  since  the  thermocole/polystyrene  sheets  were  being  used  to  create  "fillers"  under  the  main  substrate,  could  thermocole  be  replaced  with  normal  inert  construction  sand?  if  sand  under  ADA  does  not  cause  any  problems,  this  approach  might  work  i  guess  instead  of  taking  a  risk  with  highly  buoyant  thermocole...
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Silicon  will  be  too  permanent  kind  of  solution.  And  will  spoil  the  tank  bottom  for  ever.   Crying or Very sad  
                 

 
 Well  Tirtha,
 
 Unless  you  would  want  to  go  for  a  barebottom  discus  tank,  it  should  do  fine  Thumb Up
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 why  dont  you  use  dense  foam  the  kind  used  in  sofa  seats  instead  of  thermocol  (using  foam  will  also  give   a  lot  of  surface  area  for  beneficial  bacteria  to  colonize
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 Why  not  make  small  holes  in  the  thermocol  at  different  places  and  'revet'  them  with  the  glass  using  silicone.  So,  compared  to  sticking  the  thermocol  with  the  glass  it  just  acts  as  an  anchor.  (  and  you  dont  have  to  use  a  whole  lot  of  silicone).  Plus  the  bottom  of  the  tank  wont  look  ugly  either  if  you  plan  to  go  bare  bottom  someday.
 
 I  was  also  thinking  that  one  can  use  iron  rods  as  weights.  The  ones  usually  used  in  constructing  buildings.  They  wont  be  visible  from  the  surface.  Also  may  be  act  as  a  source  of  iron  for  the  plants.  (not  too  sure  about  it   Sad  )
 
 Similarly  small  pieces  of  glass  may  be  6  mm  can  also  be  used  as  weights.  They  are  pretty  heavy  ,  inert,  and  flat.  Obviously  the  iron  rod/  glass  slabs  go  between  the  soil  and  thermocol.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:51 am Post subject: Re: 47G Journal(Scaping Started) Reply with quote

 Thanks  a  lot  every  one  for  your  inputs.  Lots  of  nice  ideas.:)
 
 In  near  future,  I  have  no  plan  for  FH  or  discus.  So  will  go  for  Silicon.  While  returning  from  office,  picked  up  a  silicon  tube  from  Gaurav.  Will  start  the  operation  soon.
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 DONE!!!  Fixed  the  Thermocol  with  silicon  with  the  glass  bottom.   Guns  Now  the  glass  bottom  may  come  out  and  start  floating  but  no  chance  for  the  thermocols  to  see  the  day  light  again.   Chuckle
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 Hey  Tirtha,
 
 Nice  work  ,  would  like  to  see  it  shape  up  into  a  great  aquascape.
 
 Meanwhile  will  not  the  bottom  get  anaerobic  as  there  will  not  any  circulation  below  the  thermacol?
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