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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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Deba  ...
 
 As  Jibran  mentioned  above  -  we  need  to  get  more  insight,  before  we  actually  advise  you  to  go  ahead  with  this...  
 
 Deworming  is  done  on  a  healthy  FH  ,  as  medically  its  done  as  a  maintenance  regime,  however  I  am  not  in  support  of  this.....  looking  at  your  description,  I  am  not  convinced  whether  the  FH  you  have  is  at  best  of  its  health,  and  there  could  be  many  reasons  and  may  not  be  anything  related  to  stomach  or  digestive  system.  Before  we  apply  any  meds,  its  better  we  know  the  exact  cause  of  his  problem  ..  Or  else  that's  going  to  make  him  further  weak..  
 
 Need  to  know  what  type  of  FH  and  details  about  its  living  conditions..  a  photograph  would  help...
 
 I  would  sincerely  suggest..  to  go  light  on  food...  keep  lot  of  hiding  spaces  in  the  tank,  give  some  pebbles  for  him  to  play  with  ..  Improve  filtration  and  perform  no  large  water  changes...  I  think  he  is  just  stressed....  Having  Medicines  work  on  1.5  inches  baby  FH  is  very  risky...
 
 
 Anyways  below  is  the  general  procedure  for  Deworming  for  your  knowledge  sake  ...  I  would  not  perform  this  procedure  on  this  baby  ...
 
 
 DEWORMING  -  
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 WEEK  1
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 1.  Temp  Raised  to  30  degrees  ..
 2.  250  mg  Metronidazole  (Metrogyl  400)  or  Flubendazole  (Enterofuran  -  M)  in  100  Litres  of  water  ..(  if  applying  directly  in  the  water...)
 3.  If  your  fish  is  eating  ..  we  can  feed  metro  with  food  also  -  put  the  metro  in  luke  warm  water  (it  will  dissolve  easily),  soak  the  pellets  in  this  Metro  solution  for  15  minutes  (Pellets  will  grow  in  size)  ....  Use  pellets  which  are  low  in  protein  content...  No  Bio  Gold  Plus  please...  let  it  go  light  on  his  Stomach  -  The  best  would  be  Hikari  Cichlid  Staple
 4.  Repeat  the  above  for  two  more  consecutive  days  ...with  daily  50%  water  changes  (in  case  you  are  applying  directly  in  water)
 5.  So  in  Week  1  -  You  apply  medicines  for  three  consecutive  days  -  in  case  applying  directly  in  water,  change  50%  water  daily  after  24  hours  and  before  applying  next  dose..
 
 Week  2
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 Continue  normal  food  -  Go  light  on  food..  no  heavy  protein  feed  please..  No  live  worms,  no  color  enhancers,  humpy  stuffs..  just  a  good  plain  cichlid  staple...     ---  This  week  No  medicines,  normal  diets  and  living  conditions..
 
 Week  3
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 Perform  the  exact  procedure  of  what  you  have  done  in  Week  1
 
 In  case  your  FH  has  some  disease  or  internal  infection..  ..  The  above  deworming  procedure  would  not  work..  We  need  to  apply  Metro  for  treatment,  for  which  dosage  and  durations  are  different...
 
 There  is  also  a  commercial  veterinary  drug  available  called  "Praziquantel"  ..  which  is  used  effectively  deworming-  available  as  powder  sachets..  
 Never  used...  So  do  not  know  the  procedure...                

 Hi  Subhankar
 
 When  we  mean  'deworming',  our  intention  is  to  get  rid  of  worms.  Metronidazole  is  used  to  cure  internal  Hexamita  or  flagellate  issues.  Metro  does  not  help  getting  rid  of  any  worms  like  tapeworm,  anchorworm  etc.  
 
 Praziquantel  is  most  popular  deworming  medicine  widely  used  for  this  treatment.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Yogesh..
 
 I  beg  to  differ  here  dude  ..  Metronidazole  can  be  effectively  used  to  eradicate  tapeworms..  Have  used  is  many  times  for  my  Cat  and  Dogs..  of  course  following  a  routine  being  prescribed  by  my  Vet..
 
 Anchorworms  is  an  external  parasite  and  not  internal  -  This  is  as  far  as  i  know..  Let  the  experts  intervene..
 
 I  am  aware  of  this  commercial  medicine  called  Praziquantel  -  Refer  to  my  first  post,  I  mentioned  there  already  ..  I  have  not  used  it  before  and  hence  cannot  comment  on  its  usage  and  dosage
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  beg  to  differ  here  dude  ..  Metronidazole  can  be  effectively  used  to  eradicate  tapeworms..  Have  used  is  many  times  for  my  Cat  and  Dogs..  of  course  following  a  routine  being  prescribed  by  my  Vet..                

 Don't  have  cat  or  dog  but  I  guess  Vets  prescribe  Praziquantel  for  deworming  them  as  well.
 
 
                                                 
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Anchorworms  is  an  external  parasite  and  not  internal  -  This  is  as  far  as  i  know..                

 Right,  AW  reference  was  given  as  an  example  of  worms.  PP/Formalin  bath  is  used  to  treat  this  external  disease.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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 2.  First  of  all,  when  you  do  deworming  -  you  do  not  gut  load  your  fish,  so  soaking  50  pellets  is  out  of  question.  You  feed  him  half  or  sometimes  even  less  than  that  ...the  regular  amount.  So  if  you  dissolve  250  mg  of  Metronidazole  in  50  ml  of  water,  soaking  half  of  the  quantity  of  his  regular  diet..  will  suffice  for  the  fish  of  its  respective  size..  Fish  on  an  partially  full  or  empty  stomach  specially  Oscars,  FH's  on  an  increased  temperature  will  have  higher  metabolism  rate  and  hence  medicines  would  be  absorbed  faster...
 
 3.  When  you  add  medicines  to  water,  dosage  depends  on  the  severity  of  the  disease,  current  condition  of  the  fish  and  water  volume..  Not  by  the  size  or  weight  of  the  fish.  Size  or  weight  of  the  fish  is  important  when  you  feed  the  medicine  through  its  food..                

 
 Thanks  a  lot  for  answering  the  queries.  I  was  using  50  pellets  just  as  an  example.
 
 Since  you  mentioned  that  when  administering  the  medicine  orally  one  needs  to  be  careful  of  the  dosage  I  have  more  doubts.  Now  for  example  suppose  I  soak  100  pellet  in  50ml  of  water  which  contains  250mg  of  metro.  Also  lets  assume  that  all  the  water  gets  absorbed  then  each  of  the  pellet  now  contains  2.5mg  of  metro.  So  if  I  feed  say  20  pellets  the  fish  eats  it  all  it  takes  about  50mg  of  metro.  Is  that  a  right  dosage?
 
 Framing  my  question  better...  what  should  be  the  per  day  oral  dosage  of  metro  in  mg/(weight  or  size)  of  fish.
 
 Thanks!!
 Ganesh
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 use  flagyl  .  it  is  available  in  medical  shops  in  liquid  state.  just  put  a  few  drops  in  dry  food.  after  it  is  absorbed  feed  it  to  the  fish.  do  not  de  worm  often.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 BTW,  just  as  an  update,  I  did  not  de-worm  the  FH.  It  was  stressed  due  to  a  black  background  in  the  tank.  While  in  a  conversation  with  Jib  he  helped  me  immensely  (like  always)  to  pin  point  the  problem.  Once   the  back  ground  was  removed  the  fish  came  back  to  its  prime  health  in  a  matter  of  24  hours.  He  was  doing  fine  with  me.  Was  cause  it  is  not  with  me  anymore  and  has  found  a  new  owner.  Hwoever,  this  thread  has  the  info  for  de-worming  and  can  be  used  for  future  reference,  so  both  my  objectives  have  been  successfully  achieved.  Thanks  a  ton  guys  for  all  the  very  useful  info.   Clapping
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