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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 I'm  looking  for  flubendazole  for  long  time.  Its  not  available  in  kolkatas  vet  or  chemical  market.  Some  manufacturing  company,  mostly  from  mumbai  producing  or  dealing  bulk  flubendazole.  here  is  the  link   http://www.poulvet.com/bulk_drugs/product_companies.php?sclid=694
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 What  Flubenol  15  did  to  my  Corys  in  the  2  tanks  I  dosed  it  yesterday  I  don't  know,  I  did  not  see  anything  worthwhile  to  report.  It's  probably  worked,  or  they  didn't  need  deworming  in  the  first  place.
 
 Today  I  dosed  the  same  to  my  other  three  tanks,  one  with  rainbows  400  liters,  the  second  200  liters  with  blue  eyes  and  the  third  60  liters  with  the  C.  angorsei,  within  20  minutes  the  rainbows  were  shitting  long  white  threads.  Wow!  The  C.  ansorgei  too  started  doing  the  same.
 
 This  product  sure  works  fast.
 
 Here  I  was  sitting  around  having  fed  the  fish  NLS  Thera  A  and  assuming  they  were  all  dewormed  and  doing  fine.  They  were  not  growing  even  after  hearty  feeding,  that  should  have  told  me  something.  Sad  
 
 All  snails  are  still  doing  great.  No  water  change  after  24  hours,  I'll  probably  do  a  massive  water  change  in  all  my  tanks  on  Friday  before  leaving  for  Aquatika  on  Saturday.
 
 Should  I  repeat  this  treatment  after  3  weeks  I  wonder  ?
 
 It's  cheaper  to  deworm  the  fish  separately  overnight  before  letting  them  into  the  display  aquarium,  or  else  you'll  keep  ordering  this  stuff  repeatedly.  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Madan
 
 Is  it  flubendazole?  Cousin  to  albendazole  I  suspect.
 
 Would  like  some  more  info  on  this.
 
 deepesh                

 
 Deepesh,
   Can  you  confirm  if  one  can  use  albendazole  instead  tooo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 I  wish  I  could  recommend  albendazole  with  some  confidence  but  that  is  not  the  case.
 
 Albendazole  that  is  available  is  meant  for  human  use  nor  for  aquaria.  Flubenol  appears  to  be  specifically  for  fish  and  the  company  claims  its  concentration  is  optimum.
 
 Albendazole  is  in  itself  not  soluble  in  water.  It  is  prepared  as  tablets  that  have  to  be  chewed  well  to  be  effective.  You  see  the  parasites  have  to  be  in  prolonged  contact  with  a  fine  powder/emulsion  of  albendazole  for  the  drug  to  be  effective.  Once  it  gets  acting  on  the  worm  the  worm  has  little  chance  as  it  affects  all  tissues  in  the  worm.
 
 The  problem  is  that  albendazole  is  not  that  soluble  in  water  which  makes  it  difficult  to  get  to  the  worms  which  are  inside  the  fish.  If  you  could  get  albendazole  powder  and  get  that  in  the  fish  it  would  be  ideal.  Worms  on  the  outside  would  be  affected  by  prologed  contact  with  albendazole  from  the  outside.
 
 The  problem  is  albendazole  preparations  is  that  they  are  mostly  flavoured  and  sweetened  as  they  have  to  be  chewed.  If  only  fish  were  that  cooperative.
 
 What  interests  me  is  that  flubendazole  too  is  only  sparingly  souble  in  water.  Maybe  the  concentration  in  flubenol  is  the  key.
 
 This  is  for  Madan...  It  would  be  best  to  treat  the  fish  after  about  1-2  weeks  after  the  first  treatment.  Flubendazole  (and  its  congeners)  work  only  on  the  worm  not  the  eggs.  Once  the  eggs  hatch  you  should  target  them  before  the  worms  mature  and  reproduce.  That  is  the  rationale  behind  repeated  treatments.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 PS:  However  I  would  also  like  to  point  out  that  mebendazole  is  effective  on  fish  parasites  even  though  it  too  like  albendazole  is  sparingly  soluble  in  water.  Maybe  albendazole  too  would  act  like  that.  Because  of  their  very  low  solubility  they  form  turbid  suspensions  in  the  water.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 HI  Deepesh,
   How  about  Albenol-25  these  should  be  available  at  veternary  medications  as  oral  liquid  for  cattle.  Can  enquire  a  vet  medical  store  shortly.   Will  these  be  equally  effective  like  Flubenol   or  is  it  a  different  category  of  drug  all  together  ???  
 
   Would  this  be  safe  on  fishes  too  ....  I  have  heard  that  these  are  used  on  cattle  too..
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Madan  what  is  the  dosage  per  litre?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Dosage  for  Flubenol  15  is  in  their  website.  1gm  per  25  gallons.
 
 Albendazol,  I  don't  know.  Some  people  have  had  a  bad  experience  using  this.  Uttam  used  this  once  and  told  me  his  discus  never  recovered  from  the  medication.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 This  post  is  not  exactly  in  main  line  of  this  thread  but  as  glutaraldehyde  has  been  mentioned  I  am  chipping  in
 It  does  kill  snails  and  I  have  experienced  in  my  tank,  kindly  go  thorough  this  post.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Truly  speaking  Raghu  I  cannot  say  for  sure.
 
 Like  Madan  has  said  Flubenol  is  tried  and  tested  for  fish.  If  you  want  to  try  albendazole  I  would  say  procede  with  caution.  I  remember  reading  somewhere  on  the  net  that  there  are  reports  of  toxicity  in  fish.  And  Madan  seems  to  know  someone  who  has  experienced  this.
 
 Mebendazole  too  is  tried  and  tested  in  fish  farms.  I  would  again  stress  that  the  drug  is  only  sparingly  soluble  in  water  so  getting  it  inside  the  fish  is  a  problem,  maybe  BHM  with  one  of  these  drugs?
 
 Of  external  parasites  mebendazole  has  been  used  as  a  suspension  and  this  requires  a  constant  movement  of  the  water  to  keep  the  drug  from  settling  out.  I  guess  filters  should  be  off  too.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Deepesh,
   But  how  about   Albenol-25  which  is  also  available  in  liquid  form  and  is  soluble  in  water  like  Flubenol?????
 
 Do  you  have  any  data  on  this....
 
 I  checked  with  a  vet  doctor  and  he  told  me  that  this  should  be  available  in  vet  medicine  delaers  at  a  very  low  cost..  They  use  this  for  de-working  cattle.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Hi  Raghu
 
 I  dont  know  about  the  vetenary  preparation  but  I  think  it  is  not  a  solution  but  a  suspension  mainly  because  I  have  not  come  across  any  true  solution  of  albendazole.
 
 I  would  still  suggest  you  find  out  more  from  Madan  about  the  incident  he  has  mentioned.
 
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 Is  Flubenol  completely  soluble  in  water  or  does  it  form  a  suspension?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Deepesh,
 
   Flubenol  15  that  I  have  with  me  is  completely  soluble  in  water.  There  are  some  crystals  /  grains  remaining  when  I  dissolve  1  gm  in  1  liter  of  water,  but  within  30  mins  these  grains  are  no  longer  visible  in  the  tank.
 
 The  water  turns  a  bit  cloudy  when  you  pour  the  dissolved  Flubenol  in  the  tank,  but  quickly  settles  out  and  is  clear  in  about  2  hours.
 
 The  only  true  solution  of  Albendazole  I  have  seen  was  prepared  by  one  of  the  hobbyists  here  in  acetone,  never  in  water.  I  remember  adding  Albendazole  to  a  tank  at  the  Govt.  Aquarium  in  Bangalore,  one  of  the  Albendazole  tabs  thrown  into  the  tank  of  2400  liters  by  the  workers  there  had  not  dissolved  at  all  even  after  4  days.
 
 Albendazole  added  to  a  Discus  tank,  had  the  discus  slime  coat  sloughing  off  in  sheets,  gill  covers  kind  of  disintegrated,  and  the  fish  never  did  make  it  alive  through  the  treatment.  All  this  in  one  hours  time.  Repeated  100%  water  changes  made  no  improvement.
 
 The  reason   I  got  my  dose  of  Flubenol  15  is,  I'll  be  getting  some  Galaxy  Rasboras  shortly  and  I  need  to  deworm  them  if  I  have  to  increase  the  present  survival  rate  of  20%  others  have  experienced  once  the  fish  get  into  their  tanks.  The  solution  Adip  found  out  was  deworming  asap,  to  get  the  survival  rate  up  to  almost  90%  +.  This  was  a  one  off  test,  but  I'm  willing  to  try  this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Flubenol 15 - Anti-Helminthic, Kills Flukes and Tapeworm Reply with quote

 Some  Indian  discus  keepers  have  used  albendazole  apparently  uneventfully  within  a  safe  dosing  range.  And  I  want  to  stress  the  last  three  words.
 
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 You  might  want  to  ask  here  among  the  discus  keepers.  Do  keep  in  mind  Madan's  warning  here.  
 
 Praziquantel  is  an  alternative.
 
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 Uttam  used  it  at  a  strength  of  50  mg  per  10  liters,  this  was  atleast  4  years  ago,  so  I  may  be  wrong  here,  but  not  by  much.
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