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 Is  there  any  way  to  see  an  updated  picture  of  this  project,  other  than  me  having  to  visit  Bangalore  again  :-)
 
 Trevor  Saar?  Nayak?
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 I'd  dare  not   Unsure   to  bump  this  old  post,  but  since  Madan  is  in  town  I  could  Wink  .
 
 So  Madan,
 
 Any  updates  on   the  happenings  and  developments?  have  seen  you  suggest  this  post  for  magical  soil.
 please  do  share  present  status.
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 Yo  Man,  I  typed  out  a  long  reply  and  the  power  went  off.
 
 Both  of  my  tanks  are  doing  really  well.  One  is  the  Carribean  and  the  other  I  named  Devanahalli  after  the  source  of  the  substrate.
 The  Fulvic  acid  chelate  that  I  have  used  for  micros  is  working  like  a  dream.
 KNO3  and  Micros  are  dosed  6  times  a  day  in  small  amounts  using  a  peristaltic  dosing  pump.
 
 PO4  was  dosed  manually  twice  a  week.
 When  the  plants  took  off,  my  wife  didn't  know  how  much  to  increase  the  dosage  so  there  was  a  minor  algae  issue  when  I  got  back  after  9  months.
 That's  sorted  out  by  increasing  the  KNO3  and  KH2PO4  dosing  alone.
 
 Glosso  planted  initially,  covered  the  foreground  but  was  then  removed  when  we  had  massive  power  cuts.
 The  Saturogyne  sp.  is  salad  for  the  barbs.  It's  barely  holding  it's  own.
 All  other  plants  are  doing  simply  great.
 
 This  substrate  is  doing  wonders,  bone  meal  in  the  substrate  is  helping  in  the  good.
 Overall  I  find  this  tank  very  stable  and  possesses  a  massive  buffering  capacity  to  an  aquarist's  laziness,  equipment  failure,  mistakes  etc.,
 Unlike  my  experience  with  ADA  aquasoil  in  3  tanks  over  two  years  which  was  a  pain,  this  back  to  basics  -  using  laterite  approach
 is  a  big  relief.  Peat  in  the  substrate  is  also  a  big  help  from  my  previous  experience.
 
 I  should  never  have  gone  the  ADA  Aquasoil  route,  and  stuck  to  laterite  as  always,  but  what  the  hell,
 I  have  experimented  with  so  many  other  commercial  substrate  products,  I  thought  why  not  one  more?  More  over  Aquasoil  came  in  black.
 All  in  all  no  great  shakes.
 
 I'll  try  and  post  a  pic  tomorrow.
 
 Oh  BTW  the  Ctenopoma  ansorgii  that  I  have  had  for  over  3-4  years  .....
 Well  now  I  have  spotted   Ctenopoma  ansorgii   fry  about  an  inch  in  size  each  who  have  survived  in  the  tank  and  grown  on  their  own.
 This  substrate  stimulates  breeding  ?????   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 Good  to  know  that  the  tanks  have  been  stable  and  going  great  
 
 cant  wait  for  the  pictures   Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 Great  work  Sai,  even  I  was  thinking  of  bumping  this  thread,  but  it  always  got  off  my  mind  due  to  some  busy  odd  schedule  and  I  even  forgot  the  subject  of  this  thread  Unsure  .
 
 @Madan  Sir...Eagerly  waiting  for  the  pics..
 Apart  from  that,  I  missed  out  much  of  the  discussion  from  previous  pages,  can  you  tell  me  why  you  skipped  ADA(or  commercial  substrates)  for  your  current  tanks  and  what  were  your  experiences  with  ADA?
 
 Uprooting  and  replanting  is  a  pain  in  laterite(or  garden  soil)  based  substrates.  I  do  this  a  lot  in  my  tank  and  it  creates  a  big  mess   Sad   otherwise  I  am  very  happy  with  it.  I  wonder  why  people  consider  laterite  inferior  thing?
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 I  was  looking  at  a  year  +  of  busy  schedule,  so  I  needed  a  stable,  low  maintenance  planted  aquarium,  that's  why  I  down  sized  to  just  2  aquariums.
 My  past  experience  with  laterite  has  been  excellent,  laterite  and  peat  has  been  even  better.  
 I  decided  to  go  back  to  basics.  Moreover  I  found  a  source  of  a  very  nice  dark  red  gravel  from  among  our  ASK  /  IAH  friends.
 
 I  have  tried  out  many  other  commercial  branded  substrates,  but  found  them  of  no  value  for  money.
 With  ADA  substrate,  I  liked  the  black  color  and  my  experience  over  two  years  in  3  tanks,  is,  it  is  a  pain,  and  one  has  to  constantly  pay  attention  in  a  CO2  
 injected  high  light  setup.  This  doesn't  suit  my  way  of  life.  Moreover  for  happy  results  you  have  to  use  all  their  products  by  and  large,  Step1,2,3,  
 Brighty  K,  B  Green,  B  Soft,  B  Clear,  B  something  else  (  Don't  remember  what),  all  of  which  as  per  what  one  other  long  time  planted  tank  guy  
 commented  recently  ends  up  making  you  B  Poor  !  Very Happy  
 Leaves  me  wondering  if  B  Relax  is  for  the  fish  or  the  hobbyist  !  ¬†Chuckle  
 
 I  would  rather  use  stuff  I  know  the  contents  of,  which  I  have  always  been  doing  rather  than  blindly  buy  a  commercial  product.  I  am  a  hobbyist  and  we  believe  in  doing  things  our  way  right  ?  Chuckle  .  The  ADA  substrate  is  not  my  cup  of  tea.  YMMV.
 ADA  do  have  some  nice  products,  the  CO2  diffuser  is  one  I  like.
 
 Hamza,  don't  uproot  the  plant  completely  in  a  ¬†laterite  substrate.  Pull  up  the  plants  a  bit  and  snip  the  roots  from  below  the  substrate  level,  then  bury  the  old  roots,  do  a  water  change  thereafter.  The  old  roots  will  rot  away  and  provide  nutrients  in  the  substrate.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  detailed  explanation...
 
 I  was  planning  to  invest  on  ADA  substrate  and  liquid  ferts,  but  money  went  into  pressurized  setup  and  a  new  stand+tank,  with  with  hardly  any  thing  left  for  plants,  I  had  to  make  a  DIY  substrate.  Laterite(colected)+potting  soil(I  had  a  little  less  laterite,  so  added  this  as  well)+peat+humus.  Its  doing  a  great  job  overall  combined  with  dry  dosing,  pretty  contented  with  the  result  so  far.
 I  had  a  feeling  that  thing  would  have  been  simple  with  AS,  but  after  reading  your  post,  I  feel  like  I  have  done  the  right  thing.
 
 Like  you  said,  I  do  snip  the  roots  at  ~1"  and  simultaneously  siphon  the  leaking  soil  dust,  but  still  I  feel  its  a  complex  job,  especially  when  you  are  pulling  out  runners.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Carribean Reply with quote

 Madan  Sir  ,
 
 I  clearly  agree  with  your  philosophy.  Lead  the  way  sir,  we  are  waiting  to  follow.
 
 Eagerly  waiting  for  the  pics.
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 Don't  pull  out  runners  hamza.
 Snip  the  runner  on  both  sides,  and  then  the  roots  of  one  single  plantlet.
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 I  have  one  more  question...
 
 ADA  vs  laterite,  which  one  lasts  longer  in  terms  of  nutrient  content  over  a  period  of  time?
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 Laterite  does  not  have  any  nutrient  content  per  se.  It  is  inert.  It  does  have  Fe.
 With  laterite  you  have  to  provide  macros  in  the  water  column.  What  it  has  is  a  medium-high  CEC
 Cation  Exchange  Capacity.  Adding  peat  to  laterite  increases  the  CEC  of  your  substrate  to  very  high.
 The  substrate  can  sequester  a  Cation  (+ve  ion)  and  exchange  it  in  the  root  zone.
 
 I  have  had  tanks  running  on  Laterite  only  for  3+  years,  Laterite  +  peat  tank  for  5+  years.
 Water  Column  dosing.
 
 ADA  Amazonia  is  loaded  with  nutrients,  what  and  in  what  form,  and  how  much  is  anybody's  guess.
 The  ADA  catalogue  has  various  additives  depending  on  the  age  of  the  tank,  so  I  guess  the  nutrients  in  the  
 substrate  run  out  much  earlier  than  3  years.  BTW  ADA  Amazonia  has  peat  added  to  it.  So  There  !
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 That  makes  things  simple  Smile  After  all  AS  is  also  made  up  of  all  natural  stuff.
 
 Need  to  do  a  bit  of  reading  on  cation  exchange,  to  fully  understand  your  statement,  though.
 
 I  thought  that  laterite  is  loaded  N,  P(  Confused  ),  because,  its  a  commonly  seen  phenomenon,  that  it  causes  algae  blooms  when  laterite  layer  is  disturbed  and  it  leaks  out,  followed  by  no  water  changes.
 
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 WOW!!!
 
 Waiting  for  pics,  am  I?   Chuckle  
 
 I  will  also  vouch  for  one  thing  that  Laterite  gravel  tanks  give  you  a  lot  of  space  when  you  are  not  wanting  a  very  attention  seeking  aquaria.
 
 But,  I  have  seen  few  plants  not  doing  good  in  laterite  substrate,  growing  like  weed  in  ADA  soil.  Now  surely  I  am  not  an  expert,  but  my  question  remains  to  Madan  is  have  you  ever  faced  this  phenomena  in  your  tanks?
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