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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Well  long  story  short  -  I  suffered  a  huge  loss  -  lost  all  fish  and  plants.  I  had  gone  on  official  tour  for  3  weeks  and  so  set  up  all  timers  and  feeders  before  I  left.  There  was  a  electrical  maintenance  in  my  flat  when  I  was  gone  and  somehow  the  electrician  forgot  to  plug  the  fuse  back  for  my  section.  Lights  ,  filter  all  failed  to  work  without  power  and  when  I  came  back,  it  was  just  bones  and  a  foul  black  colored  tank.  1.5  years  of  plant  growth  and  cichlids  all  gone  now.
 
 Well  it  took  me  two  days  to  recover  from  the  shock  and  now  I  am  a  bit  confused  whether  to  resume  the  planted  tank  or  shift  to  marine  tank,  since  I  will  have  to  start  from  scratch  both  ways.
 
 I  have  a  canister  filter(aquasonic  1800L/H)  and  a  4lx2hx1.5d  ft  tank)
 4xT5HO  lights  with  superior  reflectors.
 
 Can  someone  who  has  experience  setting  up  marine  aquariums  let  me  know  what  elese  I  would  have  to  purchase.
 To  add,  I  did  go  to  the  LFS  ysterday  to  enquire  what  they  got  over  there.  Some  key  points  which  he  told  me:
 He  is  a  good  guy  whom  I  know  for  quite  sometime.  Might  be  some  of  the  points  are  wrong  but  he  too  is  learning  to  keep  his  marine  aquariums.
 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.
 
 Someone  please  let  me  know  if  these  are  correct.
 
 Some  doubts  from  my  side:
 1.  Sea  water  option  is  not  viable  .  So  will  I  need  to  but  test  kits  and  stuff  to  add  redsea  salt?  Can  someone  PM  the  cost  of  the  salt  or  atleast  mask  the  last  few  digits  so  that  I  get  to  know  the  range.(that  will  determine  whether  I  should  go  for  it  or  not)
 2.  Let  me  know  any  non-fish  tank  mates  I  can  start  with(Corals,  live  rock,  anemone,  ......)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.
 
 Dream  on.
 
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.
 
 Define  adequate.
 
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.
 
 Yes
 
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.
 
 They  may  survive  but  will  be  packed  with  ich.
 
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.
 
 Sounds  ok.
 
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.
 
 Yes  you  do.  Unless  you  are  ok  with  your  tank  crashing.
 
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.
 
 Sea  water  will  bring  in  containments,  pests  and  disease.
 
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Stick  to  the  planted  tank.  Do  not  switch  over  because  your  tank  crashed.  Marine  tanks  need  lots  more  investment  in  terms  of  sump,  skimmer,  wave  makers,  salt,  test  kits  and  maybe  a  chiller  too.  If  you  go  through  a  power  failure  again  the  loss  on  a  marine  tank  could  be  worse.  So  address  the  power  issue  and  make  it  fail  safe  and  get  somebody  to  keep  an  eye  on  your  tank  atleast  twice  a  week.  
 
 Read  up  on  marine  aquariums  before  you  start.  The  sticky  posts  on  the  forums  under  marine  subject  at  IAH  would  help  you  get  your  basic  info  right.  Start  correctly  and  then  small  issues  along  the  way  can  be  corrected.  But  read  and  start  correct  or  your  marine  tank  is  bound  to  crash.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  reply,  but  could  you  be  more  precise...
 1.  Regarding  WC,  might  be  he  is  wrong  but  what  is  the  recomended  period?As  I  said,  he  too  just  satrted  the  tanks  and  I  am  sure  whatever  he  told  me  is  out  of  ignorance  and  not  that  he  wanted  to  sell  it  off  to  me.
 2.  Do  I  need  to  add  any  trace  minerals  to  the  tank?  How  costly  are  they?
 3.  What  happens  to  the  existing  minerals  in  the  water  used  to  mix  the  salt?  Is  it  OK  to  mix  normal  tap  water  with  redsea  salt?
 4.  Glass  tank,  canister  filter,  4  ft  T5  HO  lights,  sea  salt  -  What  else  do  I  need  to  start  with?
 5.  Could  you  please  detail  more  on  the  sump....  What's  wrong  with  canisters  being  used  in  marine  aquariums?  Though  I  have  read  and  seen  people  using  sumps  for  marine  aquariums,  I  did  visit  the  govt  run  marine  aquarium  in  Thiruvananthapuram.  They  had  canister  filters  for  all  the  tanks.  Might  be  sump  is  the  best.  But  has  someone  successfully  used  canisters  for  marine  aquariums?  Just  haven't  got  the  space  for  that.....  Please  don't  tell  me  this  hobby  is  not  fo  rme  if  I  haven't  got  space  for  the  sump...Smile
 6.  Do  I  need  a  UV  in  my  canister?  I  can  buy  a  new  canister  filter  if  required....
 7.  Finally,  my  glass  tank(4ftx2ftx1.5ft)  is  12mm  thick.  Can  it  withstand  the  salt  water  pressure?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 You  have  an  internet  connection,  start  reading  about  keeping  marine  aquariums  in  various  sites!  READ!  READ!  READ!  Keep  on  reading  unless  you  get  the  hang  of  it!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Never  buy  wild  caught.....  never  use  canister,  as  they  are  a  factory  for  nitrates....  sump  is  best  for  any  marine  tank...   If  u  going  for  FOWLR,  would  be  best  not  to  add  fishes  for  1month,  then  u  can  start  with  chromis,  then  after  a  month  of  testing  and  checking  everything,  add  clowns.  i  had  a  sumpless  tank  for  more  than  2yrs,  now  i  have  1  with  sump,  and  im  very  happy.  i  do  5%  WC  every  week  as  its  a  reef  buy  u  can  do  a  20%  every  month  (for  FOWLR)....  buy  a  ammonia,  nitrite  and  nitrate  kit  (salifert  kits)..  and  dont  start  your  tank  before  buying  a  refractometer  (DO  NOT  buy  any  hydrometer)......  Any  lighting  is  fine,  but  would  suggest  going  for  LED.  buy  a  good  skimmer....  keep  20-30  times  flow  minimum  in  your  tank.....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Thanks  Veeral.  That  was  useful.  When  people  say  that  the  cost  is  huge,  I  was  comparing  the  price  with  my  current  planted  tank.
 
 Planted  tank  costs:
 1.  Big  EB  for  the  9hr  220W  T5Ho  lights.  -  60  units  a  month  +  5k  for  T5HO  
 2.  Substrate  -  3k
 3.  Co2  kit  and  replacements  -  3k  and  monthly
 
 Isn't  that  quite  comparable  to  a  FOWLR  tank  cost?  Veeral  or  anyone  else,  do  you  mind  if  you  could  Pm  me  the  cost  of  test  kits  and  refractometer.  Would  be  best  if  I  could  get  costs  of  wavemaker,  test  kits,  refractometer,  sump,  salt,  protein  skimmer.  I  live  in  Chennai  by  the  way.
 
 I  do  not  intend  to  keep  a  reef.  A  fish  alone  with  live  rock  and  anemone  is  what  I  am  looking  for.  By  the  way,  how  do  I  feed  the  anemone?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Every  Single  Question  You  have  rasied  here  has  already  Been  answered  in  this  forum  Itself.  IMHO  Suggest  you  read  the  Posts  under  Marines  Forum  rather  than  Hoping  for  Personalized  answers  to  each  of  your  questions..  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 read  this  http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=29927
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 Thanks  Nonza.  That  was  way  useful  link.
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1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.
 
 Dream  on.
 
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.
 
 Define  adequate.
 
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.
 
 Yes
 
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.
 
 They  may  survive  but  will  be  packed  with  ich.
 
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.
 
 Sounds  ok.
 
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.
 
 Yes  you  do.  Unless  you  are  ok  with  your  tank  crashing.
 
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.
 
 Sea  water  will  bring  in  containments,  pests  and  disease.
 
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.  
 
 ROFLOL                

 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

                                                   
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Well  long  story  short  -  I  suffered  a  huge  loss  -  lost  all  fish  and  plants.  I  had  gone  on  official  tour  for  3  weeks  and  so  set  up  all  timers  and  feeders  before  I  left.  There  was  a  electrical  maintenance  in  my  flat  when  I  was  gone  and  somehow  the  electrician  forgot  to  plug  the  fuse  back  for  my  section.  Lights  ,  filter  all  failed  to  work  without  power  and  when  I  came  back,  it  was  just  bones  and  a  foul  black  colored  tank.  1.5  years  of  plant  growth  and  cichlids  all  gone  now.
 
 Well  it  took  me  two  days  to  recover  from  the  shock  and  now  I  am  a  bit  confused  whether  to  resume  the  planted  tank  or  shift  to  marine  tank,  since  I  will  have  to  start  from  scratch  both  ways.
 
 I  have  a  canister  filter(aquasonic  1800L/H)  and  a  4lx2hx1.5d  ft  tank)
 4xT5HO  lights  with  superior  reflectors.
 
 Can  someone  who  has  experience  setting  up  marine  aquariums  let  me  know  what  elese  I  would  have  to  purchase.
 To  add,  I  did  go  to  the  LFS  ysterday  to  enquire  what  they  got  over  there.  Some  key  points  which  he  told  me:
 He  is  a  good  guy  whom  I  know  for  quite  sometime.  Might  be  some  of  the  points  are  wrong  but  he  too  is  learning  to  keep  his  marine  aquariums.
 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.
 
 Someone  please  let  me  know  if  these  are  correct.
 
 Some  doubts  from  my  side:
 1.  Sea  water  option  is  not  viable  .  So  will  I  need  to  but  test  kits  and  stuff  to  add  redsea  salt?  Can  someone  PM  the  cost  of  the  salt  or  atleast  mask  the  last  few  digits  so  that  I  get  to  know  the  range.(that  will  determine  whether  I  should  go  for  it  or  not)
 2.  Let  me  know  any  non-fish  tank  mates  I  can  start  with(Corals,  live  rock,  anemone,  ......)                

 
 
 Let  me  start  by  saying  that  a  marine  tank  is  about  10x  the  cost  of  a  planted  tank..  For  a  tank  of  yours,  you  will  need  to  spend  about  50k  or  more  initially.
 
 Don't  use  the  canister  if  you  have  the  space  for  a  sump.  
 
 I  would  suggest  you  go  for  simple  Fish  Only  setup,  and  if  possible  make  some  Diy  rocks.  Do  not  bother  much  with  corals  or  inverts  for  now.
 
 
 With  Regards  to  your  LFS  advice.  
 
 Note:  Most  LFS  have  very  limited  knowledge  where  marine  is  concerned.  Don't  follow  their  advice  blindly,  do  some  research  online.
 
 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.  -  Can  be  done,  with  good  filteration  and  proper  knowledge,  but  its  better  to  do  water  changes  every  month  than  risking  the  health  of  your  fish
 
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.  -  Yes,  but  you  can  try  it  only  after  a  couple  of  months  or  so  once  everything  in  your  tank  is  doing  fine  and  you  have  done  enough  of  research.
 
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.  -  Didn't  understand  the  statement,  A.  ocellaris  is  the  only  commonly  available  tank  bred  fish.
 
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.  -  Nope,  you  need  a  stable  tank  and  provide  a  proper  environment  for  them  to  live  long.
 
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.  -  They  can  be  a  fed  a  on  diet  of  good  quality  pellets  and/or  noori.  
 
 Note:  Not  all  fish  will  eat  pellets  readily.  Some  eat  after  a  while,  others  dont.
 

 
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.  -  Make  a  sump,  dont  use  the  canister  filter.
 
 
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.  -  Read  up  on  the  Nitrogen  Cycle.
 
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.  Its  a  lot  more  work  than  any  planted  tank.
 
 
 If  your  looking  for  a  setup,  that  doesn't  cost  you  much  and  is  easier  to  maintain,  stick  with  a  planted  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

 Regarding  water  change  -  I  have  been  using  water  collected  from  the  sea  for  my  aquarium  FOWLER  which  i  had  been  maintaining  over  a  year  and  which  subsequently  went  out  of  maintenance  and  is  now  being  revived.  I  have  been  effecting  25%  water  changes  only  every  2  months  and  the  tank  has  remained  stable.  I  guess  using  sea  water  has  some  advantages  over  using  water  mixed  with  salts!!!!  
 
 My  experience  is  limited  and  so  i  guess  you  should  go  by  the  advice  of  experts.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

                                                   
GatorX  wrote  (View  Post):                
                                                 
royalbijoy  wrote  (View  Post):                
Well  long  story  short  -  I  suffered  a  huge  loss  -  lost  all  fish  and  plants.  I  had  gone  on  official  tour  for  3  weeks  and  so  set  up  all  timers  and  feeders  before  I  left.  There  was  a  electrical  maintenance  in  my  flat  when  I  was  gone  and  somehow  the  electrician  forgot  to  plug  the  fuse  back  for  my  section.  Lights  ,  filter  all  failed  to  work  without  power  and  when  I  came  back,  it  was  just  bones  and  a  foul  black  colored  tank.  1.5  years  of  plant  growth  and  cichlids  all  gone  now.
 
 Well  it  took  me  two  days  to  recover  from  the  shock  and  now  I  am  a  bit  confused  whether  to  resume  the  planted  tank  or  shift  to  marine  tank,  since  I  will  have  to  start  from  scratch  both  ways.
 
 I  have  a  canister  filter(aquasonic  1800L/H)  and  a  4lx2hx1.5d  ft  tank)
 4xT5HO  lights  with  superior  reflectors.
 
 Can  someone  who  has  experience  setting  up  marine  aquariums  let  me  know  what  elese  I  would  have  to  purchase.
 To  add,  I  did  go  to  the  LFS  ysterday  to  enquire  what  they  got  over  there.  Some  key  points  which  he  told  me:
 He  is  a  good  guy  whom  I  know  for  quite  sometime.  Might  be  some  of  the  points  are  wrong  but  he  too  is  learning  to  keep  his  marine  aquariums.
 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.
 
 Someone  please  let  me  know  if  these  are  correct.
 
 Some  doubts  from  my  side:
 1.  Sea  water  option  is  not  viable  .  So  will  I  need  to  but  test  kits  and  stuff  to  add  redsea  salt?  Can  someone  PM  the  cost  of  the  salt  or  atleast  mask  the  last  few  digits  so  that  I  get  to  know  the  range.(that  will  determine  whether  I  should  go  for  it  or  not)
 2.  Let  me  know  any  non-fish  tank  mates  I  can  start  with(Corals,  live  rock,  anemone,  ......)                

 
 
 Let  me  start  by  saying  that  a  marine  tank  is  about  10x  the  cost  of  a  planted  tank..  For  a  tank  of  yours,  you  will  need  to  spend  about  50k  or  more  initially.
 
 Don't  use  the  canister  if  you  have  the  space  for  a  sump.  
 
 I  would  suggest  you  go  for  simple  Fish  Only  setup,  and  if  possible  make  some  Diy  rocks.  Do  not  bother  much  with  corals  or  inverts  for  now.
 
 
 With  Regards  to  your  LFS  advice.  
 
 Note:  Most  LFS  have  very  limited  knowledge  where  marine  is  concerned.  Don't  follow  their  advice  blindly,  do  some  research  online.
 
 1.  The  water  can  go  unchanged  for  6-7  months  provided  I  have  good  filteration.  -  Can  be  done,  with  good  filteration  and  proper  knowledge,  but  its  better  to  do  water  changes  every  month  than  risking  the  health  of  your  fish
 
 2.  Anemone  can  be  kept  with  adequate  lighting.  -  Yes,  but  you  can  try  it  only  after  a  couple  of  months  or  so  once  everything  in  your  tank  is  doing  fine  and  you  have  done  enough  of  research.
 
 3.  Clown  fish  can  get  along  easily  as  they  are  bred  locally.  -  Didn't  understand  the  statement,  A.  ocellaris  is  the  only  commonly  available  tank  bred  fish.
 
 4.  Wild  caught  have  50-50%  chance  of  surviving  the  first  wek  and  if  they  do,  they  live  long.  -  Nope,  you  need  a  stable  tank  and  provide  a  proper  environment  for  them  to  live  long.
 
 5.  The  fish  food  he  offered  costed  15x/-  and  said  the  fishes  would  eat  them.  No  need  of  algae  or  phytoplankton.  -  They  can  be  a  fed  a  on  diet  of  good  quality  pellets  and/or  noori.  
 
 Note:  Not  all  fish  will  eat  pellets  readily.  Some  eat  after  a  while,  others  dont.
 

 
 6.  I  did  not  need  a  sump.  Just  need  to  modify  the  filter  media  in  the  existing  canister.  -  Make  a  sump,  dont  use  the  canister  filter.
 
 
 7.  He  used  sea  water  directly  and  so  did  not  need  to  wait  for  45  days  prior  to  adding  fish.  -  Read  up  on  the  Nitrogen  Cycle.
 
 8.  Easier  to  maintain  as  they  dont  need  WC.  Its  a  lot  more  work  than  any  planted  tank.
 
 
 If  your  looking  for  a  setup,  that  doesn't  cost  you  much  and  is  easier  to  maintain,  stick  with  a  planted  tank.                

 
 GatorX  don't  you  tire  your  fingers  typing  it  again  and  again.  ROFL
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Lost all fish - Thinking to setup a marine Reply with quote

                                                   
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GatorX  don't  you  tire  your  fingers  typing  it  again  and  again                

 
 Thanks  Gatorx.  I  appretiate  your  typing  it  again.  I  haven't  gone  through  marine  posts  as  I  never  thought  of  owning  one,  having  invested  so  much  on  the  planted  stuff  and  all  the  good  growth  I  had  these  years.  But  now,  its  a  decision  whether  to  start  the  planted  again  or  jump  into  the  marine  world.  Anyways  I  am  planning  to  hold  everything  for  a  month  before  deciding.  Just  need  to  figue  out  if  the  maintenance  and  costs  will  be  OK  for  me.  50k  is  a  defenite  NO  for  me,  but  if  it  is  a  FOWLR  tank,  I  guess  I  could  bring  down  the  price  a  bit.  
 Another  question  which  I  missed  out  earlier.  Can  I  have  the  FOWLER  tank  without  chiller?  I  read  corals  and  other  delicate  tank  mates  require  it.  I  could  arrange  fans  to  lower  the  temp.  But  is  that  sufficient  for  the  fishes?
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