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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:37 pm Post subject: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  have  been  in  the  planted  tank  hobby  for  about  3.5  years  now,  however  am  new  to  keeping  Discus.  Love  the  fish  and  want  to  make  sure  I  know  how  to  take  care  of  them.
 
 I  am  putting  them  in  a  planted  tank  and  understand  that  will  require  extra  care.  
 
 Please  point  me  to  links,  articles  that  can  help  me  and  if  you  have  a  planted  tank  with  Discuss,  please  educate  me  on  the  care  that  you  take  to  ensure  that  your  fish  are  in  the  best  of  health.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Check  the  following  thread  
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14345
 
 
 "Handbook  for  Discus  Newbies"  by  Yogesh........
 
 
 
 After  that  still  you  need  anything  more  let  us  know.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Thank  you  for  the  quick  response  Abhis9.  I  read  the  sticky  a  couple  of  weeks  back.  I  was  more  interested  in  knowing  what  were  the  extra  things  that  I  had  to  be  mindful  of  when  introducing  them  to  a  planted  tank.
 
 So  far,  I  have  taken  care  of  the  following.  I  looked  at  the  shape,  coloration  and  reactions  when  I  went  to  pick  them  up.  They  are  in  a  holding  tank,  with  a  heater  and  water  temprature  at  28  -  30  degree  centigrade.  I  have  a  sponge  filter  with  a  weak  powerhead  and  the  fishes  are  mobile  and  are  eating  well.  They  have  good  coloration.  The  red  malboro  is  a  juvi  and  I  particularly  checked  to  see  that  its  coloration  was  good  but  not  too  much  which  showed  that  all  the  fishes  are  in  good  health.  They  are  feeding  well  and  are  mobile.  
 
 They  are  in  a  bare  bottom  tank  right  now  and  I  wanted  to  know  what  I  had  to  be  careful  of  while  moving  them  into  a  tank  with  cardinals,  lemons,  rummynose  and  denisonis.
 
 Awaiting  further  advise.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Since  you  are  new  to  discus  (  as  you  have  stated  ),  it  would  be  advisable  that  you  keep  them  in  a   bare  bottom  tank  and  grow  them  out  there.  A  bare  bottom  is  easier  to  clean  and  maintain,  and  discus  are  very  particular  about  the  quality  of  the  water.  You  may  think  of  keeping  discus  in  planted  aquarium  once  you  are  sure  that  you  have  learnt  all  that  there  is  to  know  about  the  fish,  keeping  them  in   a  bare  tank.  This  is  just  my  humble  opinion.  You  may  wait  and  see  what  the  experts  suggest.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Hey  Shaju,
 
 I  think  that  what  you  mention  is  a  valid  suggestion.  However  we  cannot  define  a  time  when  I  will  become  proficient  at  keeping  discus.  Rather,  what  are  the  attributes  of  a  proficient  Discus  keeper?  I  dont  think  even  the  experts  will  be  able  to  prevent  death,  however  they  are  good  at  pre-empting  illness,  know  ideal  conditions  for  discus  and  know  how  to  match  conditions  to  ideal  conditions  and  also  are  good  at  reacting  to  an  untoward  situation.
 
 Now  here  are  the  things  that  I  already  know
 
 I  know  about  ideal  conditions  and  know  that  my  discus  are  kept  under  near  ideal  conditions  now.  I  know  what  would  be  normal  behavior.  
 
 I  have  read  about  plague,  signs  of  sickness,  treating  bloating  -  though  I  dont  have  experience  in  handling  any  of  these  situations.  I  dont  think  I  want  to  be  in  any  one  of  these  situations.
 
 Here  is  what  I  would  do  -  prevent  bloating  by  feeding  them  only  after  a  water  change,  feeding  in  measured  quanitities.  I  would  also  in  case  of  a  incident  do  the  following
 
 1.  Move  them  to  hospital  tank
 2.  Put  in  a  heater  and  rock  salt
 3.  Wait  for  a  couple  of  days
 4.  If  the  situation  doesnot  improve,  try  feeding  boiled  peas
 5.  Incase  of  an  infection,  start  antibiotic  for  5  days
 
 Now  I  know  this  is  basic  knowledge.  I  am  willing  to  get  proficient  but  dont  know  the  marker  when  I  will  be  at  proficient.  If  we  can  identify  that  then  I  know  when  to  put  them  in  the  planted  tank.
 
 Also  the  planted  tank  is  different  from  bare  bottom,  therefore  I  am  sure  there  are  things  that  need  to  be  kept  in  mind.  That  is  also  something  that  I  am  looking  at.
 
 Folks  who  keep  discus  and  consider  yourself  knowledgable,  please  point  me  to  reading  material.  There  are  two  stickys  in  the  forum,  out  off  which  one  I  have  read  thoroughly.
 
 Thanks  in  advance  for  your  help.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Get  yourself  a  few  4"  plus  fishes  that  are  used  to  eating  dry  food  and  try  to  provide  10  gallons  of  water  for  each  of  them.  However  it  appears  as  if  you  are  underestimating  the  demands  of  this  fish  especially  in  planted  environment.  We  honestly  do  not  desire  a  heartbroken  fellow  hobbyist.  Good  luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 How  big  are  your  Discus,  I  have  kept  discus  in  the  past  and  from  my  experience  it  is  always  better  and  easier  to  have  them  in  a  bare  bottom  tank.  They  are  very  shy  fish  so  if  you  plan  to  shift  them  into  planted  then  my  two  points  would  be  -
 
 1.  If  your  fishes  are  juvis  then  grow  them  in  a  bare  bottom  tank  to  4-4.5".  In  this  way  your  fishes  are  familiarized  with  the  food  habits  and  water  conditions  so  when  you  shift  them  to  planted  they  dont  hide  and  stay  scared.
 
 2.  If  your  fishes  are  big  then  again  acclimatized  them  in  a  bare  bottom  tank  and  get  them  used  to  your  food  and  water  conditions.  Again  a  dense  planted  tank  provide  lot  of  hiding  place,  a  small  territorial  aggression  will  also  send  them  hiding  forever.  This  is  one  of  the  major  reason  why  hobbyist  avoid  planted  tanks.
 
 Your  discus  will  grow  big  if  they  are  well  taken  care  of  in  no  time  so  in  a  planted  tank  another  challenge  would  be  providing  them  with  sufficient  swimming  area.  So  a  densely  planted  tank  would  have  very  less  area  for  them  to  move  freely.  
 
 I  know  discus  are  very  tempting  in  a  planted  tank  and  I  was  also  keen  to  have  them  in  my  planted  setup  so  this  is  what  I  came  up   with  after  reading  many  articles.  Here  in  the  picture  below  I  enjoyed  these  fishes  in  a  planted  setup  thereby  giving  them  their  requirements.   Smile  
 
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Aquarius,  I  am  not  underestimating.  At  this  moment  I  dont  have  an  estimate.  The  fish  are  in  the  bare  bottom  tank  and  I  am  trying  to  get  them  comfortable.  I  will  transfer  them  into  the  main  tank  in  a  week  and  I  wanted  to  know  how  much  effort  it  would  take.
 
 @Ruchit,  
 
 Posting  pics  of  the  the  fish  so  that  you  can  see  for  yourself  how  big  they  are,  I  would  say  the  samllest  is  about  2.5  inches  in  breadth  and  still  a  Juvie.
 
 
 
 
 
 This  is  the  biggest  of  them
 
 
 
 This  is  the  inbetween  one
 
 
 
 
 I  am  encouraged  to  see  your  planted  tank  and  interested  in  knowing  how  you  fed  them  in  the  planted  tank.  I  have  some  denisonis  and  tetras  in  the  tank  and  am  worried,  these  guys  will  find  it  difficult  to  feed  as  the  other  are  faster  fishes.
 
 Please  talk  more  about  your  planted  tank  and  care  regimen  for  the  discus  and  pointers  on  issues  that  might  crop  up.
 
 Thanks  for  the  responses!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Sam,
 
 You  have  some  fast  moving  fishes  already  and  Discus  as  commented  by  experts  is  a  shy  fish.
 You  can  have  them  alone  in  the  planted  tank  as  they  have  lots  of  issues  of  there  own  for  you  to  take  care.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Sam,
 
 You  have  some  fast  moving  fishes  already  and  Discus  as  commented  by  experts  is  a  shy  fish.
 You  can  have  them  alone  in  the  planted  tank  as  they  have  lots  of  issues  of  there  own  for  you  to  take  care.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 @  sam22sam...Its  good  to  have  Discuss  in  planted  aquarium...things  to  consider.
 
 1)  As  Ruchit  mentioned  Discus  is  fairly  easy  fish  to  keep  in  a  planted  aquarium  as  like  bare  bottom  least  you  don't  often  keep  your  hand  in  our  tank  for  replanting/rescaping..you  would  scare  them  off  for  longtime!!!  leaving  them  hidden  behind  the  driftwood/plants  Chuckle  
 2)  Go  for  low  tech  tank..i.e.  plants  that  needs  less  C02....don't  play  with  CO2  attempting  for  dense  carpet  in  Discus  tank.
 3)  Go  either  for  Discus  only  planted  tank...as  everyone  said  discuss  are  shy  fish  and  if  you  have  active  schooling  fish  that  would  consume  food  fast  making  your  discus  starve.
 4)  Go  for  plants  and  fishes  that  would  survive  in  temp  and  ph  that  discus  feel  comfortable
 
 And  Finally  it  is  good  to  go  for  biotope  with  few  ferns  than  planted  one  as  Discus  would  feel  @  home   Very Happy  
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 Hi  Sam,
 
 +1  Senthil.
 
 I  am  keeping  discus  last  20  yrs.  Really  they  are  King  of  Aquarium.  I  have  3  tanks  for  Discus  and  also  I  have  2  planted  tank.  I  learned  lots  from  hands  on  experience.
 
 For  bloating,  separet  the  fish  and  treat  with  Magnessium  Sulphate  with  30  degee  temp.
 
 Personally  I  am  against  to  keep  Discus  in  high  tech  planted  tank.  Why,  because  high  light,  CO2,  fertilizer  dosing,  low  temperature,  keeping  with  fast  moving  fish  etc.  all  goes  against  Discus.
 
 Swarnendu  already  give  you  the  hints.  Anyway  it's  totally  up  to  you.
 
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 ok.  Just  checking  and  I  am  not  trying  to  argue  but  clarify.  I  defenitely  want  to  try  this,  I  intented  the  tank  after  doing  a  bit  of  research  and  had  enough  examples  of  tetras  and  denisonis  with  Discus.  I  want  to  make  a  checklist  of  things  that  I  have  to  be  careful  of  and  your  inputs  are  defenitely  helping.
 
 The  fast  moving  fish  are  also  in  their  Discus's  natural  environment  also.  They  are  found  in  nature  with  Tetras,  Cory's  etc.  The  Denisoni  are  the  only  fish  that  are  not  a  part  of  the  Discus's  natural  environment  and  I  can  take  them  out  if  the  Discus  are  getting  stressed  but  I  have  seen  plenty  of  tanks  with  Discus  and  Denisoni's  on  the  net.  I  will  keep  open  the  option  of  taking  out  the  Denisoni's  in  a  worst  case.  The  starvation  part  also  worries  me  but  that  is  something  I  will  attempt  and  if  I  see  that  the  Discus  are  not  getting  food,  will  separate  the  discus  out  within  a  week,  in  a  worst  case  scenario.
 
 The  difference  is  light,  I  agree  and  I  have  given  shaded  are  in  the  tank  with  aromatica  to  ensure  that  they  are  able  to  move  to  the  shade  when  stressed  or  need  some  off  from  the  light.  Will  this  work?
 
 Co2,  this  occurs  in  nature  also.  at  the  same  levels,  in  some  places  at  higher  levels  also.  The  Co2  is  at  2bps  and  is  in  safe  levels.  The  tank  has  been  up  and  running  for  about  8  months  now.  I  do  understand  that,  I  can  have  mishaps  with  co2  pumped  in  and  I  am  putting  in  a  solenoid  for  safety.  Is  there  anything  else  that  I  can  get  for  safety?
 
 The  temp  of  the  tank  is  current  at  28  and  above  it  being  summer.  The  plants  are  other  fish  dont  show  distress.  I  will  have  to  keep  an  eye  on  this  during  the  winter.  So,  this  point  is  defenitely  on  my  checklist.  
 
 The  plants  in  the  tank  are  crypts  ,  ovalis,  aromatica  etc.  It  is  a  mis  of  open  areas  and  shade.  Point  noted  on  rescaping,  I  will  put  the  discuss  in  only  after  the  scape  is  full  and  I  dont  have  to  put  my  hand  in.  I  only  have  Glosso  as  foreground  right  now  and  in  a  worst  case,  I  can  think  of  redoing  the  scape  after  taking  the  Discus  out,  but  this  is  only  a  worst  case.
 
 Triming  happens  every  2  to  3  weeks  and  just  before  a  water  change.  If  I  limit  frequency  of  messing  with  the  scape  only  every  two  or  three  weeks,  do  you  think  this  will  work?
 
 Again  I  am  not  trying  to  argue,  but  clarify  because  I  defenitely  want  to  try  this  but  ensure  that  I  have  measures  in  place  for  a  worst  case  or  ensure  that  I  can  pre-mept  or  react  quickly  to  a  event.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 I  practically  had  all  the  fish  you  mentioned  with  Discus  in  a  densely  planted  tank.  I  never  had  any  issues,  but  things  to  consider.
 
 Discus  are  predatory  in  nature  and  will  hunt  down  small  fishes  and  shrimps.  The  size  of  the  discus  you  have  is  good  to  start  with  in  a  community  tank.  Add  discus  of  same  size  together...if  you  have  plans  of  adding  few  more  discus  later  on...hold  on.  discus  have  pecking  order  once  establishing  in  an  aquarium,  they  would  drive  off  new  discus  added  later  on  and  make  them  starve  for  food  and  eventually  kill.  As  for  as  you  are  prepared  to  spend  some  extra  care  for  discus  in  planted  tank,  you  will  succeed  having  them,  make  sure  enough  food  in  left  in  the  tank  for  discuss  to  feed  as  the  tetras  and  barb  will  try  to  complete  them  before  discus   get  a  chance.  But  once  the  fish  feels  at  home  i  have  seen  discus  taking  food  from  surface  as  like  other  fishes,  but  initial  assimilation  is  what  you  have  to  look  for.  And  coming  to  CO2,  you  may  get  tempted  to  add  carpeting  plant  at  later  stages  or  you  may  need  to  battle  with  algae  and  people  will  advice  to  increase  CO2...having  discus  in  your  planted  tank  you  should  be  cautious.  Don't  attempt  to  take  out  Discus  once  it  get  accustomed  to  the  aquarium  you  are  more  to  stress  them  out.  Majority  of  mortality  with  Discus  happen  due  to  stress.  
 
 I  am  always  up  for  having  Discus  in  planted  tank..but  Patience  pays   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Taking care of Discus Reply with quote

 aqua_2k,
 
 Now  that  is  really  encouraging.  Thank  you!!   Smile  I  promise  to  be  patient!!
 
 I  have  a  question  :
 
 I  have  3  fishes  in  a  group  that  have  been  together  for  a  year  in  a  tank  with  their  previous  owner.  
 I  want  to  keep  4  to  6  Discus  in  the  tank,  do  you  think,  I  will  be  able  to  add  new  ones  now  or  will  that  result  in  conflict?
   If  I  can  keep  more  fish,  how  do  you  suggest  I  do  this?
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