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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 I  recently  opened  my  Eheim  2217  canister  to  clean  it.  This  is  the  first  time  i  am  opening  it  after  i  bought  it.  I  have  few  questions  on  it.
 
 1.  The  container  had  only  layers  and  layers  of  sponge  like  material,  a  blue  coarse  pad,  the  black  carbon  pad.
 
 2.  The  filter  is  in  a  4X1.5x2  tank.
 
 The  water  in  the  tank  is  crystal  clear,  but  the  bottom  of  the  tank  has  muck.  
 
 Questions:
 1.  Is  the  filter  working  effectively,  should  it  also  absorb  all  the  dirt  from  the  bottom  of  the  tank.
 2.  Can  the  media  be  changed,  like  bioballs,  ceramic  rings,  etc?  If  so  any  step  that  i  should  follow  to  change  this.
 3.  Please  suggest  what  filter  media  is  best  suited  for  this  filter.
 
 I  have  fronts  and  blud  dolphins  in  the  tank  (  5  fronts  &  7  blue  dolphins)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 Prem
 
 Cannister  will  work  as  mcehanical  as  well  as  biological  filter.
 
 It  will  not  remove  muck  or  detritus  from  tank  bottom  or  in  substrate,  but  remove  suspended  solids  from  water  column.
 
 You  can  change  media,  but  IMO  not  required.  The  present  filter  media  is  well  designed  and  ensures  lot  of  surface  area  for  biological  filtration.
 
 Still  if  you  want  to  change,  remove  one  pad  in  between,  and  in  that  place  put  your  desire  media  (Carbon  or  ceramic  balls  in  a  net  ).
 
 I  clean  my  ehiems  once  in  every  three  months.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 Prem,
   Rana  is  right...  Also  even  if  in  case  of  changing  the  filter  media,  I  would  not  change  all  of  them  at  once  instead  i  would  change  only  30%  of  the  media  at  a  time.
 
 May  be  you  can  remove  one  or  two  pads  and  replace  it  bybio  balls  or  ceramic  rings.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 The  muck  at  the  bottom  has  to  removed  by  gravel  vaccuming.  You  cannot  depend  on  filter  alone.
 At  water  change  time  simply  hover  your  siphon  over  the  gravel  and  mucj  will  be  removed.
 The  filter  media  in  eheims  last  a  very  long  time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 You  will  have  less  muck  buildup  if  you  increase  circulation,  May  be  use  a  power  head  at  the  bottom  of  the  tank  pointing  length  wise  just  above  the  gravel.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 hi  Camy
 
      The  filter  is  working  well,  the  problem  is  well  answered  by  Rahul,  circulation  above  the  gravel  will  get  rid  of  all  the  muck.
      The  media  can  definately  be  changed  I  am  using  ceramic  rings  and  Anti  Ammonia  rocks  in  the  filter  along  with  the  coarse  sponge(Blue)  and  the  fine  sponge(white).  This  combination  has  worked  well  for  me.  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 Thanks  folks.  I  will  use  the  power  head  as  mentioned  by  Rahul.
 
 Just  to  clarify,  is  it  ok  to  run  a  power  head  in  a  tank  where  fronts  are  housed.  I  have  fronts  and  blue  dolphins  in  the  tank.
 
 Please  suggest.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 Sorry,  if  this  question  is  beyond  the  purview  of  this  thread.  Besides  the  eheim,  will  a  top  filter  (the  one  that's  placed  on  top  of  an  aquarium)  remove  the  muck  from  a  barebottom  tank?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 Hi  Anandaqu
 
      Well  if  the  filter  is  managing  to  disturb  the  muck  at  the  bottom  it  should  be  able  to  filter  it  out,  if  you  see  the  muck  settled  at  the  bottom  you  will  have  to  disturb  it  with  a  power  head  so  that  the  muck  can  be  filtered  out  of  the  tank.  Hope  this  answers  your  question.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 yes  it  does...thanks...i've  just  ordered  a  top  filter...will  try  it  out  and  post  the  results  for  everyone's  benefits...theoretically,  the  flow  of  water  out  of  the  top  filter  and  into  the  tank  should  disturb  the  muck...
 
 in  a  planted  tank  with  gravel,  an  UG  filter  with  power  heads  (reverse  flow)  fitted  on  the  UG  filter  air  tubes  should  also  blow  out  the  muck  from  the  gravel  for  it  to  be  sucked  up  by  the  eheim..
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 If  I  were  you,I  would  take  out  everything  and  spread  a  layer  of  crushed  coral,  to  about  2  inches  thick,  and  keep  nothing  else  in  the  tank,  till  the  cichlids  are  about  3  inches
 
 
 Or  if  they  are  getting  too  territorial,  lots  of  coral  rocks,  and  strategically  placed  powerheads  to  avoid  deadspots!
 
 Thats  my  opinion!
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theoretically,  the  flow  of  water  out  of  the  top  filter  and  into  the  tank  should  disturb  the  muck                

 
 not  a  good  idea  
 
 The  best  thing  is  to  use  a  gravel  cleaner  when   doing  a  water  change.
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The  best  thing  is  to  use  a  gravel  cleaner  when   doing  a  water  change.                
Siphoning  the  bottom  always  works.
 
 
                                                 
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theoretically,  the  flow  of  water  out  of  the  top  filter  and  into  the  tank  should  disturb  the  muck...                  
But  it  also  work,  atleast  its  working  preety  good  for  me.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Help! with Eheim 2217 Reply with quote

 I  too  need  help  with  my  eheim  2217.
 
 When  I  tried  to  disconnect  the  valves,  i  find  that  they  are  too  tightly  stuck  together  (after  3  months  use).  Is  there  some  trick  to  open  the  valves  ?  I  see  2  slits  on  each  valve  on  their  sides..  what  is  this  slit  for?  any  idea  how  to  open  them..  i  cannot  open  them  as  they  are  way  too  tight..  using  too  much  force  might  crack  the  plastic  so.  please  suggest.  
 
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 m  agrre  wid  anand  and  disagree  wd  tonny.
 why  to  put  UG  filter  for  cleanin  d  tank.  Yes.  2217  will  suck  the  muck  but  by  doin  dis,  u'll  disturb  d  setup.
 2217  has  god  pressure  so  u  can  simply  move  the  pressure  by  moving  outgress  pipe  around  d  tank.  let  the  water  become  cloudy  with  muck.  within  couple  of  minutes,  water  will  clear  by  proper  filtering.  u  can  do  dis  exercise  on  weekly  basis.
 and  to  Hem:  
 Dear,  if  valves  will  not  be  bound  tighly  than  water  can  be  leak  through  their  nozzles.n  thos  slit  uses  for  blockin  the  water  flow  from  filter  and  to  tank.  by  changing  the  slit's  direction,  you  can  stop  the  flow  of  water.  thats  it.  
 
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