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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 Hey,  I  am  planning  to  breed  my  three  spot  gouramis.  I  have  a  few  questions  so:
 1)  They're  about  4  inches  long  -  are  they  old  enough  to  breed?
 2)  Can  they  spawn  in  a  2x1x1  foot  tank?  
 3)  Since  I've  bred  bettas  before,  I  generally  keep  the  female  in  a  hurricane  lantern  till  the  male  builds  his  bubblenest.  Will  that  be  necessary  here  as  well?
 4)  Should  the  tank  have  gravel?  
 5)  I  raise  bettas  on  infusorians  and  then  brine  shrimp  -  will  that  do  for  them  too?
 
 Sorry  for  all  the  questions,  but  last  time  I  tried  breeding  gouramis  the  male  killed  the  female,  and  I  really  don't  want  that  to  happen  again!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 Remove  the  female  once  the  eggs  are  laid.
 
 Also  condition  the  female  separately,  when  she's  ready  to  breed  introduce  the  male  to  her  tank.  He'll  take  a  little  time  building  the  nest,  in  the  meantime  he'll  get  used  to  her.
 
 Introducing  the  female  to  the  males  tank  will  start  an  attack  on  her  if  she's  not  ready  to  breed  immediately.
 
 Infusoria  and  brine  shrimp  are  good  for  fry.  No  trouble.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 No  gravel  -  simply  makes  the  male's  job  more  difficult.
 
 At  four  inches  your  female  three  spot  will  have  a  tough  time  in  the  hurricane  lantern.
 
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 Thanks  guys.  I've  conditioned  them,  but  not  in  the  tank  I  intend  to  breed  in.  Well,  I'll  set  the  tank  up  and  see  what  happens.  =]
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 1)  They're  about  4  inches  long  -  are  they  old  enough  to  breed?
 They  can  but  you'll  have  to  ask  the  fish  if  they  are  willing  to  do  Smile  they  most  probably  will  if  you  have  conditioned  with  live  food  /  frozen  bloodworm.
 
 2)  Can  they  spawn  in  a  2x1x1  foot  tank?  
 yes.  You  can  drop  the  water  ht  to  0.5  ft  to  help  the  male  collect  and  deposit  the  eggs  which  fall  down
 
 3)  Since  I've  bred  bettas  before,  I  generally  keep  the  female  in  a  hurricane  lantern  till  the  male  builds  his  bubblenest.  Will  that  be  necessary  here  as  well?
 Since  the  fish  is  large  try  to  use  tank  divider  (mesh  type)
 
 4)  Should  the  tank  have  gravel?  
 Nope.  For  biological  filter  you  can  add  some  gravel  contained  in  a  sock.  Lots  of  floating  plants  like  duckweed,  ricca  etc  would  be  welcome.
 
 5)  I  raise  bettas  on  infusorians  and  then  brine  shrimp  -  will  that  do  for  them  too?
 Absolutely.  Try  microworm  also  as  a  variation.  Too  much  of  BBS  leads  to  swim  bladder  issue.
 
 
 Sorry  for  all  the  questions,  but  last  time  I  tried  breeding  gouramis  the  male  killed  the  female,  and  I  really  don't  want  that  to  happen  again!
 Make  sure  it  is  a  female   Very Happy   Condition  the  female  with  live  food.  Observation  of  the  proceeding  for  the  firstcouple  of  hours  is  nessary,  if  things  do  not  go  as  per  plan  seperate  and  try  after  one  week  or  when  the  female  has  recovered.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 While  a  2x1x1  foot  tank  will  do  for  3  spots,  I  recommend  a  larger  tank  if  your  fish  are  being  paired  up  for  the  first.  Both  3  spot  and  snakeskin  males  are  rather  hard  on  females,  as  you've  found  out.  Once  a  pair  have  spawned  successfully,  you  can  use  the  smaller  tank.
 
 As  submerge  has  pointed  out,  a  deep  tank  is  unnecessary  for  breeding  these  fish.  I  like  to  use  30x18x12"  tanks  with  about  4-6"  of  water  and  lots  of  floating  vegetation  in  the  form  of  riccia  or  najas.  Provide  a  number  of  pipes  or  pots  for  the  female  to  hide  in.  
 
 Age  rather  than  size  is  an  indicator  of  sexual  maturity.  If  your  fish  are  older  than  8  months,  they  are  good  to  go.  Make  sure  the  female  is  gravid.
 
 If  you  must  use  the  2x1x1  tank,  place  two  of  them  side  by  side  with  the  male  in  one  and  the  female  in  the  other.  Transfer  the  female  to  the  male's  tank  when  you  see  her  reciprocating  his  advances.
 
 Keep  all  tanks  well  covered!
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 I've  set  up  my  tanks  as  per  retro_gk's  suggestions.  They're  flaring  like  crazy  at  each  other,  and  have  changed  colour.  They  look  amazing  with  deep  blue  stripes  and  a  golden  tinge  to  their  fins!  The  fem,ale's  grown  noticeably  larger  too!   Cheer   The  only  problem?  The  male  hasn't  built  a  nest.  =\  Not  aq  single  bubble  up  there.  I've  put  in  floating  plants,  half  a  thermocol  cup  and  there's  no  disturbance  at  the  surface.  They  get  daphnia  and  tubifex  worms  four  times  a  day.  The  female  seems  good  to  go,  as  does  the  male,  except  for  his  total  lack  of  nest.  Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Breeding three-spots Reply with quote

 Introduce  the  female  into  the  tank  that  might  encourage  the  male  to  build  a  nest.  Some  males  need  to  get  the  real  deal  before  they  build  the  nest.  
 Transfer  the  female  back  to  its  tank  if  nothing  develops.
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 Thanks!  He's  got  a  huge  nest  ready,  but  of  course,  he's  built  it  everywhere  but  under  the  cup...  Rolling Eyes  In  any  case,  I  was  surprised  how  different  gourami  nests  and  betta  nests  are  -  the  bubbles  are  absolutely  tichty!  Anyway,  the  female  got  chased  a  bit,  tried  to  bite  off  the  male's  tail  (good  for  her!  Razz  )  and  decided  to  hide  behing  some  plants  (in  the  gravel  in  the  sock),  so  I  removed  her  after  eight  hours.  She's  still  flaring  at  him  through  the  glass,  so  I  think  another  couple  of  days  of  conditioning  will  do  it.  Wish  me  luck  guys!  Bounce
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 Hey,  guess  what?  After  trying  about  eight  times,  I  had  had  enough,  and  decided  to  give  up  on  them  for  now.  Then,  on  Sunday  evening,  I  notice  little  squiggles  moving  around  in  the  tank!  Cheering  I  thought  they  were  mosquito  larvae  at  first  -  they  are  TINY!  My  tank  is  completely  full  of  them,  there  are  MANY  MANY  MANY  fry.  
 
 I've  taken  the  male  out  and  put  him  into  my  cichlid  tank  (I  had  to,  his  normal  tank  has  been  taken  over  by  his  spawn,  and  he's  beating  the  female  up  if  I  put  him  in  my  other  tank  =[  ).  He's  not  being  harassed  at  all,  though.  He's  harassing  the  firemouths,  though!
 
 They're  three  days  old  today,  and  eating  infusoria.  Thanks  a  lot  guys,  I  would  NEVER  have  been  able  to  do  this  without  your  help.  I'm  deliriously  happy,  I  think  I've  told  everybody  in  my  class  and  dragged  all  my  friends  over  to  show  them  1/2  mm  fish,  I  even  called  my  mum  and  told  her,  though  she's  in  the  UK.
 
 I've  left  a  small  siphon  in  the  tank,  connecting  to  one  of  my  infusoria  cultures.  The  fry  are  getting  food  through  the  day,  at  the  rate  of  about  1  drop/sec.  Is  this  alright?
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 Congrats  and  all  the  best.  Happy  breeding.  Clapping   Clapping   Clapping
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 Congrats   Clapping  
 
 It  also  the  time  to  think  and  plan  about  the  grow  up  stage  of  this  spawn.
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 They're  a  week  old  now.  They're  still  only  about  the  size  of  a  newborn  guppy.   Chuckle  I  think  they'll  do  fine  in  the  2x1x1  tank  for  the  next  month  or  so.  I'm  still  feeding  infusoria,  because  brine  shrimp  can  make  your  pockets  feel  surprisingly  light.  Razz
 
 Is  it  ok  if  I  crush  some  algae  flakes  and  give  that  to  them?
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They're  a  week  old  now.  They're  still  only  about  the  size  of  a  newborn  guppy.  Â Chuckle  I  think  they'll  do  fine  in  the  2x1x1  tank  for  the  next  month  or  so.                  

 
 If  the  spawn  is  anywhere  near  the  size  of  a  typical  3  spot  spawn,  you'll  need  a  much  larger  tank  after  2  weeks,  unless  you're  up  to  changing  the  water  every  day.
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