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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  dj_square,
 
 the  whole  set  up  can  be  divided  into  two  sections.  One  is  the  tubing  that  goes  under  the  UG  plate.  The  other  is  the  filter  where  the  muck  from  under  the  plate  is  going  to  go.
 
 What  the  filter  will  be  is  up  to  the  user.  I  have  not  actually  checked  the  market  for  filters  or  rates.  But  i  presume  a  good  cannister  filter  would  cost  in  4  digits.  Instead  i  wanted  to  make  a  cheap  smaller  homemade  version  of  the  canister  filter,  which  is  easier  to  maintain  and  clean  (should  be  def  easier  compared  to  tearing  apart  the  tank  for  a  UG).
 
 The  other  part  is  the  tubing  under  the  UG  plate.  The  UG  plate  is  simply  a  raised  platform  with  a  lot  of  space  below  it  where  the  muck  can  accumulate.  Given  this,  just  imagine  placing  a  long  tube  coiled  up  in  this  space  below  the  platform  sort  of  like  say  a  mosquito  coil.  The  other  end  of  the  tube  is  connected  to  your  filter.
 
 The  working:  When  the  filter  sucks  up  water  from  the  tube,  the  water  under  the  UG  plate  will  flow  into  the  tube  and  then  into  the  filter.  This  water  contains  all  the  muck  which  will  also  flow  to  the  filter  along  with  the  water.  So  there,  the  dirt  collected  under  the  UG  plate  is  sucked  up  into  the  filter.
 Only,  to  enhance  the  amout  of  dirt  collected,  you  might  want  to  either  make  it  as  a  bunch  of  tubes  under  the  plate,  or  have  holes  along  the  sides  of  the  tube  coil.
 
 The  added  advantage  is  that,  since  you  are  sucking  up  water  from  under  the  UG  plate  anyway,  you  dont  need  to  bother  for  a  seperate  airlift  or  powerhead  set  up  for  action  of  the  UG  filter.
 
 Hope  this  helps.  I  am  attaching  a  diagram  for  what  i  have  said  above.  That  was  all  i  could  come  up  in  5  minutes  w  mspaint.
 
 And,  thanks  Madan.  Thats  really  good  to  hear.  Will  go  ahead  and  try  to  implement  it  at  the  earliest  when  possible.                

 
 thanks  for  your  reply  and  diagram


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  don't  have  a  diagram.  
 
 You  drill  holes  in  a  bunch  of  PVC  pipes,  connect  them  together  and  lay  them  under  the  UGF  plate.  Use  electrical  conduit  pipes,  they  are  smaller.  
 
 One  end  of  the  pipe  network  is  sealed.  The  other  end  is  attached  to  the  tube  of  the  UGF  where  the  air  stone  is  placed  -  the  riser.  
 
 Connect  the  riser  to  an  external  filter.  
 
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 hi  sir,
 
 can  u  please  suggest  me  a  good  and  cheap  external  filter  of  good  co.  which  will  create  less  turbulance  in  my  24x12x12  tank...or  is  it  fine  if  i  connect  undergravel  filter  with  a  top  filter  if  yes  then  suggest  me  1  which  doesn't  create  much  turbulance...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

                                                   
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 hi  sir,
 
 can  u  please  suggest  me  a  good  and  cheap  external  filter  of  good  co.  which  will  create  less  turbulance  in  my  24x12x12  tank...or  is  it  fine  if  i  connect  undergravel  filter  with  a  top  filter  if  yes  then  suggest  me  1  which  doesn't  create  much  turbulance...                

 Wish  i  was  god  so  that  I  could  have  all  of  the  above  that  you  asked  for  Smile
 Buying  an  extermal  filter  for  a  55  ltr  tank  will  be  an  overkill.
 Look  for  DIY  option.
 I  have  seen  a  BOYU  200  ltrs/hr  external  filter  but  the  owner  of  the  filter  says  that  it  is  not  very  efficient.
 This  might  help  you.
 
 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/diy/24347-diy-mini-canister-filter-nano-tanks.html
 
 I  remember  seeing  a  pictorial  demo  of  its  making  on  petfrd.
 Not  sure  though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Yes...  an  external  filter  for  just  24x12x12  inch  tank  will  be  an  overkill.  Using  top  filter  is  a  good  idea  &  its  damn  cheaper  compared  to  external  filters.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Hi  Johnny,
 Quick  query,in  the  diagram  that  you  have  shown  shouldn't  the  filter  setup  container(b)  be  inside  the  Tank  if  using  a  power  head(d)?  
 Is  it  possible  to  mount  filter  setup  outside  the  tank  as  well  while  using  a  power  head?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Hi  Babu,
 
 The  diagram  was  only  to  give  an  idea  of  what  i  was  trying  to  say  in  the  big  paragraph  before.  I  was  planning  to  have  the  filter  inside  my  tank  only  though.
 But  i  think  it  should  be  ok  to  have  it  ouside  too.  The  link  given  by  Roshan  (Thanks  Roshan)  shows  the  pic  of  the  filter  exactly  as  i  had  imagined  in  that  design.  You  have  an  inlet  tube  to  filter  and  an  outlet  tube.  All  you  have  to  do  is  connect  this  tube  to  the  powerhead  i  suppose.  The  only  constraint  as  i  see  it  is  how  powerful  the  powerhead  motor  really  is,  if  it  is  powerful  enough  to  pull  the  water  through  the  length  of  the  tube.  But  even  then,  the  vacuum  it  creates  when  it  sucks  the  water  in  tube  immediate  to  it  should  probably  keep  the  flow  going,  i  think.  Probably  ppl  more  experienced  with  filters  and  powerheads  can  correct  me  on  what  i  have  said.  I  am  just  saying  theoretical  expectations.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Dj_square,
 
 Regarding  the  turbulence,  I  was  thinking  of  attaching  a  tube  to  the  output  of  the  powerhead  and  redirecting  the  flow  to  a  corner  of  the  tank  with  pebbles  placed  to  break  the  flow.
 And  if  time  permits,  a  diy  waterfall  over  the  canopy  from  which  water  trickles  back  to  the  tank  wont  look  bad  either.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 When  I  did  use  an  undergravel  filter  (a  long  time  ago),  I  noticed  that  the  siphon  tube  size  made  a  big  difference  in  the  underplate  cleaning.  The  aquarium  was  sitting  on  a  stand  that  had  an  open  bottom  so  I  could  see  the  results  of  my  siphoning.  If  I  kept  up  with  my  routine  maintenance,  I  was  able  to  keep  the  underplate  sediment  to  a  minimum.  Although  this  worked  well,  it  was  too  bothersome  and  I  haven't  used  undergravel  filtration  since  then.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

                                                   
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Dj_square,
 
 Regarding  the  turbulence,  I  was  thinking  of  attaching  a  tube  to  the  output  of  the  powerhead  and  redirecting  the  flow  to  a  corner  of  the  tank  with  pebbles  placed  to  break  the  flow.
 And  if  time  permits,  a  diy  waterfall  over  the  canopy  from  which  water  trickles  back  to  the  tank  wont  look  bad  either.  Very Happy                

 
 instead  of  power  head  if  i  use  a  top  filter  SOBO  WP-880F  :  660  L/H  how  will  it  be  fine  or  shall  i  use  more  rating  1  or  less  rating  Very Happy  but  the  main  thing  i  want  that  there  must  not  be  any  sort  of  excess  turbulance


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Sorry  man,  no  idea  on  capacities  and  capabilities  of  power  heads  and  filters  etc.
 Truth  be  told,  till  a  couple  of  years  go,  i  used  to  have  only  a  20"x10"x10"  glass  tank.  I  had  used  UG  filters  to  keep  the  water  clean  and  the  tank  was  always  in  a  lighted  area  and  had  lots  of  hydrilla.  Being  a  small  tank,  I  would  simply  strip  it  clean  and  put  it  back  together  every  2  weeks.  I  got  a  BOYU  SP-1000A  filter  recently  for  one  purpose.  To  use  the  motor  to  make  a  diy  tabletop  fountain.  It  had  a  rated  head  of  0.8m  with  550L/h  output.  But  then  happened  to  come  across  a  large  aquarium  at  a  relative's  house  and  decided  to  set  up  one  myself.  Got  a  30"x12"x24"  tank  and  the  filter  went  into  it.  But  the  power  filter  was  only  churning  up  the  dirt  and  not  collecting  it.  So  def  everything  was  going  under  the  UG  only.  But  this  tank  being  not  as  easy  to  carry  arnd  and  clean  as  the  previous  one  both  for  size  and  saftey,  started  looking  at  other  means  to  reduce  the  actual  need  for  frequent  cleaning  by  combining  the  UG  and  that  power  filter  since  i  already  have  both.  I  also  considered  eliminating  UG  filter  and  just  embedding  the  tubing  along  the  gravel.  Somehow  was  not  happy  with  that  idea  esp  should  any  fish  breed  in  the  tank.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

                                                   
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Sorry  man,  no  idea  on  capacities  and  capabilities  of  power  heads  and  filters  etc.
 Truth  be  told,  till  a  couple  of  years  go,  i  used  to  have  only  a  20"x10"x10"  glass  tank.  I  had  used  UG  filters  to  keep  the  water  clean  and  the  tank  was  always  in  a  lighted  area  and  had  lots  of  hydrilla.  Being  a  small  tank,  I  would  simply  strip  it  clean  and  put  it  back  together  every  2  weeks.  I  got  a  BOYU  SP-1000A  filter  recently  for  one  purpose.  To  use  the  motor  to  make  a  diy  tabletop  fountain.  It  had  a  rated  head  of  0.8m  with  550L/h  output.  But  then  happened  to  come  across  a  large  aquarium  at  a  relative's  house  and  decided  to  set  up  one  myself.  Got  a  30"x12"x24"  tank  and  the  filter  went  into  it.  But  the  power  filter  was  only  churning  up  the  dirt  and  not  collecting  it.  So  def  everything  was  going  under  the  UG  only.  But  this  tank  being  not  as  easy  to  carry  arnd  and  clean  as  the  previous  one  both  for  size  and  saftey,  started  looking  at  other  means  to  reduce  the  actual  need  for  frequent  cleaning  by  combining  the  UG  and  that  power  filter  since  i  already  have  both.  I  also  considered  eliminating  UG  filter  and  just  embedding  the  tubing  along  the  gravel.  Somehow  was  not  happy  with  that  idea  esp  should  any  fish  breed  in  the  tank.                

 
 thaks  for  your  suggestion  and  i  would  like  other  to  comment  on  this  that  instead  of  power  head  if  i  use  a  top  filter  SOBO  WP-880F  :  660  L/H    how  will  it  be  fine  or  shall  i  use  more  rating  1  or  less  rating  Â but  the  main  thing  i  want  that  there  must  not  be  any  sort  of  excess  turbulance.....Thumb Up


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

 thaks  for  your  suggestion  and  i  would  like  other  to  comment  on  this  that  instead  of  power  head  if  i  use  a  top  filter  SOBO  WP-880F  :  660  L/H    how  will  it  be  fine  or  shall  i  use  more  rating  1  or  less  rating  Â but  the  main  thing  i  want  that  there  must  not  be  any  sort  of  excess  turbulance.....Thumb Up


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: siphoning from under gravel filter Reply with quote

 Your  posts  just  dont  seem  to  conclude.
 Not  that  people  dont  like  answering  to  questions.  But  it  seems  like  you  want  us  to  write  what  you  like  to  listen  and  not  what  is  right.
 This  post  started  with  a  question  on  siphoning  from  UG  filter,  someone  drew  up  a  nice  diagram  on  your  request.
 You  chose  to  ignore  that  and  wanted  to  know  about  cheap  external  filters.
 We  answered  that  query  and  now  you  come  up  with  a  question  on  TOP  Filters.
 
 I  dont  know  about  others,
 This  makes  me  think  that  you  are  not  serious  about  your  questions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: How to suck debris from "Under gravel filter" Reply with quote

                                                   
rohansd  wrote  (View  Post):                
Your  posts  just  dont  seem  to  conclude.
 Not  that  people  dont  like  answering  to  questions.  But  it  seems  like  you  want  us  to  write  what  you  like  to  listen  and  not  what  is  right.
 This  post  started  with  a  question  on  siphoning  from  UG  filter,  someone  drew  up  a  nice  diagram  on  your  request.
 You  chose  to  ignore  that  and  wanted  to  know  about  cheap  external  filters.
 We  answered  that  query  and  now  you  come  up  with  a  question  on  TOP  Filters.
 
 I  dont  know  about  others,
 This  makes  me  think  that  you  are  not  serious  about  your  questions.                

 
 its  not  so  my  dear  friend  as  i  was  planning  to  buy  external  filter  Rocky  told  me  that  external  filter  for  24x12x12  will  be  costlier  and  he  suggested  me  to  buy  top  filter  and  so  i  asked  about  top  filters  and  the  questions  that  am  asking  is  related  to  the  topic  as  if  i  make  a  DIY  filter  it  will  siphone  debris  from  under  the  UG  plate  i  don't  think  am  wrong  am  on  a  right  track
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