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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Thanks  much  folks  Smile  
 
 Will  try  refining  the  thread  and  the  learnings  into  a  single  article.
 
 @worlimen,
    Thanks  mate,  glad  you  found  it  helpful  Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Didnt  want  to  start  a  new  thread  for  this,  so  posting  here.  Question  to  you  Hayath,  and  all  the  aquarium  photographers  out  there.  How  ethical  is  Post  processing  in  Aquarium  photography.  Sharpening  the  image  seems  ok.  But  would  enhancing  the  colors  or  modifying  the  colors  or  increasing  the  contrast  to  such  levels,  that  the  fish  doesnt  look  like  it  really  does  in  reality.  Would  these  be  unethical?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Hey,  this  is  an  awesome  post!!!!!!!  Thumbs Up  ..how  come  I  missed  it?  Chuckle  great  work  dyno  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 hmmm  alistair
 i  would  like  to  put  it  this  way,
 
 not  everything  in  a  pic  is  due  to  post  processing,  its  like  getting  a  beautiful  planted  tank  using  ADA  goods,  first  u  need  to  get  all  the  info  about  plants,  work  towards  the  best  scape  possible,  get  the  right  plants,  know  what  goes  where  and  all  the  hard  work  you  put  in  it,  only  then  if  u  use  them  altogether  properly  u  get  those  brilliant  scapes  what  people  boast  at  the  end  of  the  day.
 similarly  for  a  pic  to  look  just  brilliant  u  need  to  work  towards  getting  a  great  pic  and  then  use  post  processing  to  get  the  amazing  finished  work  of  art  what  most  people  are  proud  of.
 
 post  process  is  also  an  art  in  itself,  as  it  ain't  like  only  a  few  have  got  the  means  needed  to  post  process,  the  software  is  available  for  everyone  to  use,  but  u  need  the  experience  and  the  knowledge  to  do  just  the  right  things  to  get  a  beautiful  pic  at  the  end.
 
 and  just  like  photography,  every  one  has  his/her  own  style  of  taking  pics,  with  the  numerous  settings  or  the  lighting  used  etc,  etc,  each  person  has  a  very  different  style  of  post  processing  to  get  the  results  what  they  like.
 
 the  other  thing  that  purists  forget  when  they  say  that  post  processing  is  not  the  real  thing,  the  pics  we  take  are  also  not  the  real  thing,  the  pics  are  just  a  rendition  of  things  we  see  through  the  lens  of  a  camera.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 As  Jib  rightly  said,  PP  as  with  any  other  "modification"  it  will  become  very  apparent  and  almost  stick  out  like  a  sore  thumb  if  it  does  go  overboard,  and  is  very  easy  to  make  out.
 
 You  can  find  tons  of  over-saturated,  contrast  enhanced  bad  photos  for  examples.
 PP  cannot  make  a  bad  shot  OK,  nor  can  it  bring  out  of  focus  areas  back  into  focus.
 
 PP  should  be  used  to  "show"  the  shot  you  envisaged,  we  as  photographers  go  to  great  lengths  w.r.t  lenses,  filters,  etc  to  make  a  shot  look  as  close  as  to  what  we  saw.  Classic  examples  would  be  reducing  the  flash  on  the  burnt  out  sections,  pulling  up  the  levels  on  some  underexposed  areas.
 
 "Digital"  manipulation  of  pixels  as  in  changing  skies,  adding  clouds  is  a  definite  no-no  for  me  (that's  plain  cheating)
 
 Would  end  it  with  a  note  of  "It  all  depends",  as  is  the  case  with  anything  creative   Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 A  little  insight  on  PP  here:
 First  it  depends  on  how  the  picture  is  shot  i.e.  jpeg  mode  or  RAW.   jpegs  are  universal  picture  files  directly  viewed  as  pictures  on  any  computer.   RAW  files  need  to  be  converted  to  viewable  picture  formats.   Here's  the  difference:  jpegs  are  highly  compressed  files  and  so  a  lot  of  details  are  left  out.   RAW  captures  all  the  details  but  tones  them  down  to  the  basics.   
 
 Not  all  cameras  shoot  in  RAW  mode.   This  is  the  purview  of  higher  end  cameras  (SLRs  or  Compacts).   RAW  is  what  most  demanding  photographers  would  like  to  shoot  in  but  these  files  NEED  TO  BE  PROCESSED  and  saved  as  jpegs  or  tiffs  to  be  viewable  pictures.   Obviously  the  details  are  enhanced  as  the  photographer  likes  after  RAW  processing.   Cameras  that  record  RAW  can  simultaneously  save  a  jpeg  file  as  well.   To  cut  a  long  story  short  RAW  =  more  details  &  larger  file  &  better  picture  &  mandatory  PP.   JPEGs  =  less  details,  smaller  files,  lower  latitude  in  the  pictures,  may  not  need  PP.   
 
 To  explain  latitude:  a  picture  has  usually  ranges  between  its  darkest  and  brightest  regions.   if  the  whites  are  too  white  or  the  blacks  are  too  dark  and  no  detail  is  seen  in  these  areas  the  picture  does  not  really  hold  our  attention.   RAW  files  capture  more  detail  in  the  darks  and  whites  of  the  image.   Especially  if  they  are  within  the  focused  zone  these  pictures  look  "better".
 
 Further  about  PP:  in  the  days  of  the  film  camera  (not  too  far  gone  by)  the  negative  was  "developed".   This  was  then  printed  to  give  us  the  final  print.   The  amount  of  handling  and  the  degrees  of  variance  in  handling  these  2  procedures  can  only  be  known  by  those  who  have  any  experience  in  the  dark  rooms  of  yesterday  but  believe  me   A  LOT  HAPPENED  behind  those  doors  and  with  the  red  zero  watt  bulb  turned  on.   (Consider  toning  with  sepia,  or  other  colours  among  other  PP  done  in  the  film  days).   This  is  a  whole  new  topic  and  thread  on  its  own.   In  fact  if  you  take  the  same  negative  to  different  photo  labs  or  the  same  negative  to  the  same  lab  at  different  times  you  will  almost  always  find  the  prints  look  different!!!
 
 I  agree  with  Hyath  and  Headbanger  when  they  say  that  PP  ought  to  be  used  to  bring  back  the  original  image  to  its  optimum.   How  much  to  PP  depends  on  what  the  photographer  wants  to  show.   Obviously  if  the  colours  are  not  true  then  those  more  familiar  with  the  true  colours  will  know;  but  that  is  what  the  photographer  wanted  to  show.   Then  comes  the  intent  of  the  picture:  is  it  to  document  or  record  or  scientifically  demonstrate  the  object  or  just  to  hang  up  a  persons  wall?   Obviously  the  former  needs  true  coloration  while  the  latter  can  be  played  with  for  various  mood  creation.   If  on  the  other  hand  you  want  to  enter  a  competition  then  follow  the  rules  of  the  competition...  you  may  BE  DISQUALIFIED  if  the  judges  determine  that  you  have  "cloned"  or  modified  the  image  beyond  reason;  sometimes  even  at  all  (and  believe  me  again  there  are  ways  to  find  out).   End  of  the  day;  its  not  like  we  start  of  with  a  white  page  and  make  our  image  from  scratch.   To  quote  many  gurus  of  photoshop,  "you  need  a  great  image  TO  START  WITH  to  get  great  results";  "a  mediocre  shot  will  give  similar  results".
 
 Lets  go  back  to  the  film  days:  photographers  among  you  might  know  that  films  were  available  with  various  saturation  levels.   Films  like  "fuji  velvia"  gave  highly  saturated  images  that  we  often  see  on  screen  savers,  calendars,  posters  today  and  these  are  stunning  pictures.   So  saturation  on  its  own  done  in  reason  does  not  really  change  our  perspective  of  the  picture  or  image.   Our  brain  has  a  way  of  seeing  it  true  even  though  it  is  slightly  more  vivid  than  absolute  normal.   
 
 Getting  back  to  digital  PP:  I  often  use  adobe  photoshop  for  my  PP  and  these  are  the  things  I  commonly  use  for  the  process  -  levels,  curves,  saturation,  saturation,  sharpness,  cropping  and  sizing  for  enlargements.   I  dont  add  or  subtract  parts  of  the  image  unless  it  is  not  relevant  to  the  primary  object  (eg.  electric  wires  in  a  scenery  -  the  bain  of  photographers  everywhere,  or  light  reflecting  of  unavoidable  specs  in  the  water  during  fish  shots).   Such  distracting  elements  can  be  "cloned"  out  of  the  image.   Also  I  usually  shoot  in  RAW  so  I  need  to  PP.   
 
 Which  means  (if  i  have  to  do  the  best  possible  job)  I  have  to  get  my  monitor  and  printer  colour  calibrated  as  well.   WYSIWYG  (what  you  see  is  what  you  get)  is  a  BIG  myth  and  just  does  NOT  HAPPEN.
 
 In  parting:  congrats  to  Hyath  for  this  really  brief  and  informative  approach  to  photography  of  aquarium  fish.   all  the  point  necessary  for  people  handling  compacts  to  SLRs  have  been  covered  with  very  good  detail.     Thumbs Up   Rock On
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Rock On   good  one  ,  thnx
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 Thanks  to  all  who  shared.  Great  help  Cheering  
 It  cleared  many  doughts.   Cheering
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 You're  welcome  guys!  Just  my  way  of  "paying  it  forward"  and  keeping  that  information  available  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Very  Good  post....
 
 Since  I  am  that  kinda  guy  who  only  studies  on  the  last  days  of  exams....
 
 A  little  query...  Only  Planted  Tank  Photography
 
 We  all  have  a  lighting  assembly  which  defines  the  depth  and  coverage  of  the  planted  aquarium.The  lights  are  at  different  scales,  low,  medium,  high.
 
 Lets  for  example  take  a  medium  lighted  Tank  around  36  inches  wide  and  22  inches  tall,  The  lights  are  say  pll  36w  x  4,  and  aT5HO,  with  a  surface  gap  of  6  inches.
 
 Then  what  should  be  the  camera  settings  of  sony  cyber  shot  10.8  MP
 
   Bow  your  guidance  will  be  appreciated
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

                                                   
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Very  Good  post....
 
 Since  I  am  that  kinda  guy  who  only  studies  on  the  last  days  of  exams....
 
 A  little  query...  Only  Planted  Tank  Photography
 
 We  all  have  a  lighting  assembly  which  defines  the  depth  and  coverage  of  the  planted  aquarium.The  lights  are  at  different  scales,  low,  medium,  high.
 
 Lets  for  example  take  a  medium  lighted  Tank  around  36  inches  wide  and  22  inches  tall,  The  lights  are  say  pll  36w  x  4,  and  aT5HO,  with  a  surface  gap  of  6  inches.
 
 Then  what  should  be  the  camera  settings  of  sony  cyber  shot  10.8  MP
 
   Bow  your  guidance  will  be  appreciated                

 
 
 Can't  really  pre-determine  the  light  intensity/spread  with  just  the  wattage.  Could  you  please  perform  the  following  steps?
 1.  Switch  camera  to  "Program/P"  mode
 2.  Choose  ISO  as  100  or  200
 3.  Choose  metering  mode  as  Spot
 4.  Compose  the  shot  of  the  tank  and  half  press  the  shutter
 5.  Note  down  the  values  that  are  shown
 Would  be  something  like  1/60,  f5.6
 
 6.  Take  the  actual  shot
 7.  Review  image
 8.  If  it's  too  dark  you  will  need  to  bump  up  exposure,  if  the  greens  are  too  washed  out  you  will  need  to  underexpose
 
 Report  the  values  back  with  an  assisting  image,  we  can  take  it  from  there  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Ok  thanks  for  the  effort.
 
 Today  I  will  take  a  picture  by  completely  switching  off  the  home  lights  and  keeping  only  the  tank  lights  on,  another  thing,  I  will  also  take  a  snap  shot  of  the  camera  screen  to  observe  the  graph  also  .thanks  a  million
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Clapping  
 What  a  write-up...
 
 Because  of  Garothmaan  I  got  to  read  this  (God  bless  you  bro)
 
 Thanks  a  lot  Hayath.  
 I'm  wondering  how  many  more  such  treasures  lying  in  here.
 
 Cheers,
 Karthik
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Understanding photography and photographing fish Smile Reply with quote

 I  have  got  these  readings
 
 Most  of  the  applications  are  predefined  
 
 1.  Aspect  ratio  16:9
 2.  Iso  numerics  are  3200  to  2500-  High  Intensity-  3200  to  2500  and  2,6,8  auto  adjustment  according  to  light  
 3.  F3.1
 4.  White  balance  is  auto,  then  there  are  settings  to  as  per  lights
 
 There  are  lots  of  predefined  settings  according  to  feature  position  in  light-  will  post  pix  from  office  later
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