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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: sick angel Reply with quote

 what  is  wrong  with  this  angel?
 
 symptoms
 1.  lack  of  appetite.  havent  seen  it  eat  anything  for  a  couple  of  weeks  now.  at  least  not  in  my  presense  and  the  food  lies  undisturbed  at  the  bottom.  when  i  got  it  it  use  to  eat  vey  easily.
 2.  stunted  growth.  the  other  angel  in  the  pair  has  grown  considerably  but  not  this  one.  
 3.  no  problems  in  swimming.
 4.  redness  near  the  mouth  and  where  the  fins  join  the  body.  doesnt  show  any  apparent  discomfort.
 5.  white  droppings.
 
 treatment:
 been  treatimg  it  with  metrogyl  400  for  internal  parasite.  but  wtill  it  hasn't  eaten  anything.  keeping  the  fish  in  a  seperate  tank  as  of  now.  
 
 Mods,
 sorry  about  posting  this  here  but  i  cant  see  any  add  attachment  option  in  diseases  and  cures  subtopic.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 Stingy  white  faeces  is  a  sure  shot  symptom  of  intestinal  parasites.   Metro  will  not  work  the  way  it  is  intended  if  you  don't  dose  it  atleast  for  3  days  with  a  temp  above  32.   You  have  to  make  waterchanges  and  re-dose  it  again.
 Clamped  fin/fin  rot  could  be  due  to  bacterial  infection,  which  is  very  likely  to  affect  the  last  fish  in  the  pecking  order.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 do  you  thing  it  has  fin  rot?  should  i  redose  metro  after  3  days?
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 Metro  treatment  should  be  done  continuously  for  3  days,  with  waterchanges  twice  a  day  and  re-dosing  it.
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 I  think  with  below  two  scenerio  you  can  able  to  understand  better  ,  
 
 Case  no  1  :Young  angels   stoped  eating  for  few  days  ,  discharging  white  poo  ,  not  active  .  
 
 1)  Put  heater  and  maintain  the  water  temp  above  31  deg  .Use  good  heater  and  ensure  that  it  cuts  off  timely  .  
 2)  Since  your  angel  is  not  eating  ,  feeding  Metro  in  BH  is  of  no  use  ,  so  what   will  you  do  .  so  dose  Metro  in  water  @  1  gm  for  100  ltrs  .  you  can  dose  up  to  1.4  gm  per  100  ltrs  .  
 How  to  do  this  ?  first  dissolve  the  metro  in  luke  warm  water  and  pour  it  in  to  the  tank  .  
 3)  After  two  days  start  Metro  in  feed  ,  they  may  start  eating  .  
 How  to  do  this  ?  Take  100  gm  of  BHM  ,  make  it  soft  and   spread  them  thin  on  the  plastic  sheet  like  Roti  .  Make  powder  of  Metro  ,  put  few  drops  of  hot  water  to  make  it  paste  form  and  dissolve  it  fully.  apply  this  Metro  paste  on  Bh  which  you  have  spread  on  plastic  sheet  .  mix  it  well  ,  put  it  in  plastic  zip  bag  like  thin  sheet   and  put  it  in  freezer  .  once  it  is  hard  you  can  feed  your  angels  as  much  as  it  consumes  within  30  minutes  .  minimum  2  feedings  per  day  .  
 
 Once   your  angels  starts   eating  Metro  feed  ,  you  can  discontinue  metro  in  water  .You  need  to  carry  on  this  treatment  for  8  to  12  days  ,  best  for  12  days  .  
 
 
 Case  No  2  :  You  angel  is  eating  well  ,  but  still  you  want  to  De-Flagellate  them  .  Just  follow  Metro  in  Fed  method  as  stated  above  .  
 Dosage   for  breeding  pairs  should  be  mild   ,  but  for  young  you  can  give  as  mentioned  above  @1  gm  for  100  gm  BHM  ,  3  times  per  day  for  8  to  12  days  .  
 
 
 Hope  now  you  are  clear  on  this  subject  .  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 one  more  imp  thing  do  WC  daily  atleast  50-75%  ,  one  a  day  after  feeding  ,  and  dont  use  heater  since  the  temp  in  indian  summer  is  very  hot  ,  use  it  only  if  its  rainy  or  winter  season
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 Hi  Friend,
                        I  faced  the  same  problem  to  my  discus,  one  of  my  discus  was  not  taking  food  and  simply  taking  rest  on  a  corner  of  the  tank  and  its  shits  were  in  white  color,  so  I  applied  metrogyl   but  it  doesn’t  cure  the  diseases  
                        
                        My  friend  gave  this  medicine  “Myxazin”drops,its  available  in  60ml,120ml  ,  it’s  a  product  of   Waterlife,
 It  is  for  fin  rot,  ulcers,  sores  and  other  bacterial  infections.
                        I  applied  Myxazin  to  my  discus  tank  and  with  the  temperature  30,   now  he  got  recuperated  and  taking  food  properly  and  playing  with  his  friend  normally.
                            Try  myxazin  to  your  angels         
 
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 One  more   important  thing  is  before  applying  the  myxazin  you  pls  change  the  water  80%,  while  changing  water  clean  the  sides  of  the  tank,  bottom  of  the  tank  and  filter,  dosage  are  written  on  the  bottle  ,the  treatment  is  for  5  days  during  these  days  dont  change  the  water  and  apply  the  medicine  on  every  24hours  for  5  days  and  dont  feed  them  till  the  treatmet  over.temperature  should  adjusted  to  30,  no  problem  about  the  summer  that  if  the  heater  is  an  automatic  one  it  can  adjust.  
 
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I  think  with  below  two  scenerio  you  can  able  to  understand  better  ,  
 
 Case  no  1  :Young  angels   stoped  eating  for  few  days  ,  discharging  white  poo  ,  not  active  .  
 
 1)  Put  heater  and  maintain  the  water  temp  above  31  deg  .Use  good  heater  and  ensure  that  it  cuts  off  timely  .  
 2)  Since  your  angel  is  not  eating  ,  feeding  Metro  in  BH  is  of  no  use  ,  so  what   will  you  do  .  so  dose  Metro  in  water  @  1  gm  for  100  ltrs  .  you  can  dose  up  to  1.4  gm  per  100  ltrs  .  
 How  to  do  this  ?  first  dissolve  the  metro  in  luke  warm  water  and  pour  it  in  to  the  tank  .  
 3)  After  two  days  start  Metro  in  feed  ,  they  may  start  eating  .  
 How  to  do  this  ?  Take  100  gm  of  BHM  ,  make  it  soft  and   spread  them  thin  on  the  plastic  sheet  like  Roti  .  Make  powder  of  Metro  ,  put  few  drops  of  hot  water  to  make  it  paste  form  and  dissolve  it  fully.  apply  this  Metro  paste  on  Bh  which  you  have  spread  on  plastic  sheet  .  mix  it  well  ,  put  it  in  plastic  zip  bag  like  thin  sheet   and  put  it  in  freezer  .  once  it  is  hard  you  can  feed  your  angels  as  much  as  it  consumes  within  30  minutes  .  minimum  2  feedings  per  day  .  
 
 Once   your  angels  starts   eating  Metro  feed  ,  you  can  discontinue  metro  in  water  .You  need  to  carry  on  this  treatment  for  8  to  12  days  ,  best  for  12  days  .  
 
 
 Case  No  2  :  You  angel  is  eating  well  ,  but  still  you  want  to  De-Flagellate  them  .  Just  follow  Metro  in  Fed  method  as  stated  above  .  
 Dosage   for  breeding  pairs  should  be  mild   ,  but  for  young  you  can  give  as  mentioned  above  @1  gm  for  100  gm  BHM  ,  3  times  per  day  for  8  to  12  days  .  
 
 
 Hope  now  you  are  clear  on  this  subject  .  
 
 Thanks                

 
 Vaibhav  it  seems  you  had  copy  paste  the  above  treatment  from  below  thread  which  is  actually  for  Discus(reply20.03.09)  .  You  had  only  replace  Discus  with  Angel  .  Not  good  for  hobby  .  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 Shiva,
 
 Thank  you  for  pointing  this  out.
 
 
 Vaibhav,
 Kindly  do  not  exercise  this  option  again,  you  could  have  just  pointed  link  to  the  thread  for  this  similar  treatment.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

 shiva,
 thanks  for  pointing  out  the  link  about  the  discus.  i  wasn't  sure  as  to  what  the  guy  was  talking  about.  
 why  do  some  poeple  feel  that  one  advise  is  suitable  for  all  kinds  of  fishes?  god  help  their  fishes!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: Re: sick angel Reply with quote

                                                   
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why  do  some  poeple  feel  that  one  advise  is  suitable  for  all  kinds  of  fishes?  god  help  their  fishes!!!!!!!!!!                

 For  internal  infections,  generally  what  cures  discus  can  be  applied  to  angels  as  well.
 
 Someone  with  lot  of  patience  taking  efforts  to  draft  proper  advice  to  guide  the  newbies  backed  by  his  years  of  experience  and  it  just  took  few  seconds  for  someone  else  to  Ctrl+C  &  Ctrl+V  the  information  and  be  proclaimed  expert  advisor.  Thumb Down
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 sorry  guys  for  my  mistake  ,  i  thaught  he  will  get  confused  by  reading  DISCUS  thats  why  i  copy  and  replace  DISCUS  by  ANGLE  i  did  that  for  his  benefit,  seriously  ,,,,,,,  next  time  i'll  see  to  it  that  i'll  not  make  such  a  mistake  
 
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 Different  fishes  of  different  sizes  with  different  Tank  water  chemistry  have  different  tolerance  level  for  treatment.  So  what  ever  Med  or  dosage  someone  recommends  for  one  particular  fish  may  not  be  correct  to  other  fishes.  
 
 So  one  should  be  very  careful  while  advising  any  treatment.  Just  copying  and  advising   without  practical  knowledge  is  dangerious  .
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 Vaibhav,
 
 No  hard  feelings  &  apologies  if  I  had  sounded  pretty  rude.  It's  for  your  own  good,  mate.  Cheers!!!
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