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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 Hi!  to  all  aquarium  lovers!  Very Happy   Very Happy  
 planning  a  new  salt  water  aquarium,  by  next  month,i  have  some  ideas  ,,  so  requesting  for  suggestions.  has  to  be  money  friendly  (not  having  deep  pocket  at  present!!  Sad  )
 ths  is  gonna  be  a  fish  only     (FO)  tank  Cheering  
 
 1)  My  tank  and  sump  setup
 tank  and  sump  water  volume  ~40  gallons(us)
 
 
 can  i  use  two  pumps  from  sump  to  display  tank,,to  avoid  pumps  inside  display  tank
 
 2)I'm  planning  on  a  venturi  driven  skimmer(after  consulting  rahulk)
 
 3)power  heads  for  water  circulation
      NEED  HELP!  is  there  any  method  that  we  can  adopt  so  that  there  are  NO  pumps  IN  DISPLAY  TANK
 
 5)200W  heater
 
 6)RED  SEA  salt
 
 7)A  Hydrometer
 
 8)one  20W  actinc  blue  2'(hitachi)  tube  for  lighting
 
 9)2500  lph  pump  from  sump  to  display  tank  (any  changes  to  flow  rate?)
 
 10)Do  we  need  a  hood??
 
 11)What  to  use  for  gravel?,  interested  in  only  1/2  to  1  inch  of  bed.dont  want  a  build  up  of  detrius.  Surprised  
               The  Sand  which  we  use  in  fresh  water  tank  will  do  the  job?  Thumb Up  
 
 
 12)The  fish  that  i  like  are  osc  clowns  and  yellow  tailed  Blue  Damsels(i  know  about  their  aggressiveness,,But  like  their  bright  colour  very  much   Sad  )  maximum  number  of  fish  i  like  to  have  is  6,  i  dont  want  any  overstocking.  Sad  
         if  there  are  any  better  combinations  please  let  me  know.
 
 13)Need  any  thing  else  in  sump?  Any  more  filtration  needed?
 
 14)What  to  use  for  background,,  Will  plain  blue  look  good?
 
 ppl  who  have  similar  setup,please  post  some  pics,,  for  landscaping  ideas,  
 
 Thanx  any  ways>>  Clapping   Clapping


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 3/4"  drain  will  not  carry  more  than  1200  lit/hr,  Your  pump  rating  should  be  slightly  less  than  the  drain  capacity  after  calculating  for  head  loss.
 There  is  no  need  of  a  heater  in  bangalore.
 Sump  will  need  2  more  baffles  to  avoid  micro-bubbles  entering  the  display  tank.
 
 some  links  to  help:-
 Try  this  type  of  overflow  drain,  will  be  quite  and  no  hassles  --->  http://www.dursostandpipes.com/
 Head  Loss  Calc,  Drain/Overflow  Size  Calc,  Sump  Volume  Calc  ---  http://www.reefcentral.com/     (on  the  left  of  the  page  under  calculators)
 
 
 Go  for  10mm  glass.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 If  you  are  concerned  about  the  aggression  among  the  Damsels,  a  safe  bet  would  be  female  Blue  Devil  Damsels.  They  are  a  better  blue.
 
 Keep  a  check  on  water  temperature,  before  turning  the  heater  on.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 *this  is  the  "improvised  version"  of  my  original  plan  ,  with  a  dursostand  pipe,  connected  from  side  glass,
 *glass  thickness  made  10mm,
 *outlet  pipe  is  made  1''  dia..  even  planning  for  two  1''  outlet  pipe.
 *the  overflow  box  is  6''x6'',  made  of  10mm  glass
 *two  more  baffles  added  in  sump  
 *protein  skimmer  is  weipro  2011/12,  any  reviews  on  these  skimmer  models?
 


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 how  much  water  changes  should  be  done  per  week?  there  will  be  only  2-3  fish  in  the  tank,,  i'm  confused  about  the  percentage  water  change,  because  every  one  does  it  differently  Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 25%  once  in  20-25  days  would  be  good  enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 Water  changes  will  depend  on  how  quickly  or  slowly  the  nitrates  and  phosphates  increase.  For  a  fish  only  tank  even  No3  of  80  would  be  acceptable.  However  I  will  not  let  it  go  above  40.  For   a  predominantly  soft  coral  or  LPS  tank  you  will  want  to  keep  it  at  less  tank  20,  preferably  10.  If  you  have  acroporas  it  will  need  to  be  close  to  0.  
 
 phosphates  will  not  cause  much  problem  in  a  FOWLER  set  up  other  than  growth  of  algae,  but  in  a  reef  you  would  like  to  keep  it  as  low  as  possible.
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 Since  you  have  a  1"  drain  the  following  id  from  the  reefcentral  calculator:-
 
 Using  the  following  input  parameters
 Gallons  per  Hour  =  600
 Drain  and  Overflow  sizes  are  calculated  as
 Recommended  minimum  drain  pipe  diameter  =  1.01  inches
 Recommended  minimum  linear  overflow  size  =  9  inches  
 
 
 Head  loss:-
 taking  the  input  values  as  horizontal  dist  in  feet  &  vertical  distance  as  4  feet  each,  Number  of  90  elbow  as  1,  2  pipe  exits.
 the  head  loss  was  calculated  for  eheim  1060.
 
 Total  losses  are  5.24  feet  of  head  pressure,  or  2.26  PSI.  with  a  flow  rate  of  340  GPH.  Process  took  95  iterations.  
 
 
 
 
 So  you  will  need  a  minimum  of  3/4  inch  return  pipe  and  a  eheim  1060  or  1062  will  be  a  good  match  for  your  tank.
 Recommended  minimum  linear  overflow  size  =  6  inches  
 
 
 Give  more  space  in  the  pump  section  in  the  sump  since  all  the  evaporation  taking  place  will  show  up  here,  if  your  pump  section  is  too  small  then  you  will  have  to  top  up  very  often.  Try  to  have  enough  volume  that  your  tank  can  run  for  3  days  with  out  top  up.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 Hi
 
 har297  also  plain  for  an  algae  turf  filter  in  your  sump  a  most  effective  method  in  keeping  dessolved  nutrients  (nitrogen/phosphate)  under  control,while  being  a  natural
 solution  at  the  same  time.  You  dont  have  to  purchase  a  skimmer  also.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

                                                   
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how  much  water  changes  should  be  done  per  week?  there  will  be  only  2-3  fish  in  the  tank,,  i'm  confused  about  the  percentage  water  change,  because  every  one  does  it  differently  Sad                

 har297,
 everone  follows  a  different  water  change  schedule  because  all  marine  tanks  are  different  even  if  you  copy  a  system  from  top  to  bottom  your  fish,  fish  feed  and  dosings  are  going  to  matter  so  your  routine  schedule  cannot  be  compared  to  or  copied  from  anyone  you  have  to  decide  what  you  need  to  do  and  when.
 
                                                 
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*outlet  pipe  is  made  1''  dia..  even  planning  for  two  1''  outlet  pipe.                

 I'd  recommend  a  2"  dia.  outlet  instead  of  two  1"  as  it  will  take  time  to  clog
 
                                                 
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protein  skimmer  is  weipro  2011/12,  any  reviews  on  these  skimmer  models?                

 they  both  are  the  hang  on  types  and  cannot  be  used  'in  sump'  so  check  if  you  have  that  additional  height  where  you  have  to  place  the  sump.
 and  yes  if  you  are  going  in  for  10mm  I  guess  if  the  tank  is  made  well  you  don't  need  the  top  bracings.
 
                                                 
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one  20W  actinc  blue  2'(hitachi)  tube  for  lighting                

 do  away  with  the  hitachi  tube  and  use  any  other  light  with  a  rating  of  8000*K+
 
                                                 
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What  to  use  for  gravel?,  interested  in  only  1/2  to  1  inch  of  bed.dont  want  a  build  up  of  detrius.   
 The  Sand  which  we  use  in  fresh  water  tank  will  do  the  job?                  
 
 no  use  coral  sand  or  aragonite
 
                                                 
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Need  any  thing  else  in  sump?  Any  more  filtration  needed?                

 yes  you  do  need  mechanical  filtration  or  the  detritus  that  is  sucked  into  the  sump  will  burn  out  your  return  pump  and  the  powerhead  that  feeds  your  skimmer.
 
                                                 
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What  to  use  for  background,,  Will  plain  blue  look  good?                

 yes,  even  a  light  blue  backdrop  would  look  good!
 BTW,  Shankar  is  right  don't  get  traped  into  the  damsel  trap  cause  you  have  a  small  tank!
 Good  that  you  have  rahul  by  your  side!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 Thank  you  ppl  for  your  valuable  replies   Clapping   Clapping  
 i  will  post  any  doubts  that  i  have,,  
 
 any  ideas,  are  welcome..
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Hi  
 
 har297  also  plain  for  an  algae  turf  filter  in  your  sump  a  most  effective  method  in  keeping  dessolved  nutrients  (nitrogen/phosphate)  under  control,while  being  a  natural  
 solution  at  the  same  time.  You  dont  have  to  purchase  a  skimmer  also.  
 
 Ashok  Yadav                

 
 Ashok  this  is  still  a  debateable  solution.  Abroad  a  lot  of  people  have  used  australian  turf  cause  its  easily  available  there  and  is  best  for  its  use.  However  in  india  the  same  turf  isnt  native  and  the  effectiveness  of  indian  turf  algae  is  almost  1/2.  Plus  the  water  conditions  abroad  and  the  water  parameters  here  are  very  different.  So  one  needs  to  look  at  that  as  well.  Personally  i  would  say  always  keep  a  skimmer  as  its  a  very  vital  part  of  the  system  and  keep  a  provision  for  a  turf  screen  as  well.  
 
 
 @Harsha
 
 Definitely  dont  use  Hitachi  tubes.  Use  the  ones  with  higher  Kelvin,  these  are  easily  available  these  days.  Use  Live  sand  or  aragonite.  Plain  blue  should  look  cool.  You  should  be  able  to  find  this  at  any  aquarium  store.  They  usually  would  have  a  one  side  black  and  one  side  blue  background  poster  with  them.
 
 If  you  dont  want  to  go  for  agressive  fish,  then  choose  chromis  rather  than  damsels.  They  look  quiet  similar  to  the  damsels  and  have  some  nice  bright  colours  in  thema  but  are  not  very  agressive.
 
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 hi,  sorry  for  a  break,  little  busy  with  college  work  so  could  not  be  online  for  more  time,,
 
 this  is  my  other  clarification
 
 Is  a  quarantine  tank  needed,
      i'll  be  only  having  about  max  of  5  fish  in  my  display  tank,after  cycling  initially  damsels(1),  after  a  month:  clowns(2),  chromis(1),  
 
 
 If  a  tank  is  needed  will  this  size  be  enough:
 
 1.   18''(L)x  9''(B)x12''(H)      i.e.,around  30  lts
 2.   HOB  filter
 3.   sand  of  any  sort
 
 
 
 
 thanks  for  all  you  people  for  your  valuable  suggestions,,


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Planning New Marine Aquarium, Requesting Suggestions. Reply with quote

 The  tank  size  you  mention  would  be  enough  for  one  (small)  fish  at  a  time  as  all  the  fish  you  mention  above  are  territorial!
 Now,  the  problem  you  will  face  is  that  once  the  fish  either  of  them...is  introduced  to  the  main  tank  will  become  set  and  will  be  aggressive  towards  the  new  comers  so  it  is  recommended  to  put  the  clown  first...then  the  chromis  and  lastly  the  damsel....I  still  don't  recommend  the  damsel  though!
 you  have  a  lot  of  choice  with  the  fish  as  there  are  a  lot  of  colourful  gobies  and  blenneys  etc....explore  your  possibilities  first  then  decide  because  your  live  stock  once  introduced  cannot  be  netted  out  unless  you  rip  apart  your  scaping  and  disturb  the  whole  tank  so  go  slow  and  buy  fish  you  don't  regret  buying  later!
 I  would  personally  not  put  LRs  in  the  quarantine  tank  because  if  you  have  to  treat  the  fish  with  copper  based  medication  it  will  be  a  hurdle  in  a  tank  with  LRs.  You  could  also  avoid  the  sand  as  it  traps  detritus  and  difficult  to  clean...keep  a  barebottom  tank  with  just  some  artificial  corals  or  decor  for  the  fish  to  feel  secure  and  lights  just  enough  to  be  able  to  see  if  the  fish  shows  any  signs  of  stress.
 HOB  filter  is  fine  as  it  does  not  stress  the  fish  by  a  creating  a  constant  current  against  which  the  fish  has  to  struggle.
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