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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: information on Rainbowfishes Reply with quote

 Hi  ,
 
 I  am  member  to  the  Rainbowfish  Mailing  List  at  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/r_m_l/?yguid=91078563
 
 I  had  recently  posted  a  discussion  on  the  fishes  of  Australia  and  New  Guinea,  which  has  a  comprehensive  info  about  the  Rainbow  fishes,
 
 Please  see  the  email  below:-
 
 
                                                 
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 From:  Sujoy  Banerjee  <joyban70@yahoo.com>  
 Date:  Mon  Feb  20,  2006    7:35  pm  
 Subject:  Re:  [r_m_l]  New  Guinea    joyban70  
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 Hi  
   
 The  plant  list  is  partially  from  Adrian's  page  on  Sepik  River  -  Papua  New  Guinea  at  http://members.optusnet.com.au/aquatichabitats/Sepik.htm
   
 But  by  mistake  I  had  mentioned  the  main  plant  reference  as  [http://www.anbg.gov.au/projects/fern/aquatic/png_aquatic.html]  
 
 But  it  should  be  corrected  to  http://members.optusnet.com.au/aquatichabitats/Sepik.htm
   
 For  The  Aquatic  Pteridophytes  of  New  Guinea  you  could  refer  to  http://www.anbg.gov.au/projects/fern/aquatic/introduction.html
   
 Also  while  going  through  the  site  of    australianrainbowfish.com  
 http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/northern_territory_menu.htm?htm/nt_water_plants_names.htm~leftFrame
   
 We  could  add  the  following  to  the  plant  list  from  NT  Australia  :-
   
 1.  Eriocaulon  setaceum  
 Pics  :-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/eriocaulon_setaceum_01.htm
 Details
 http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-271.htm
   
 2.  Lotus  Lily
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/lotus_lily_01.htm
   
 3.  Lynmophila  brownii
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/lynmo_brownii_01.htm
   
 4.  Maidenia  rubra
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/maidenia_rubra_01.htm
   
 5.  Nymphaea  violacea
 http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/n-vio.html
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/nymphaea_violacea_purple_01.htm
   
 6.  Ottelia
 Pics:-  
 http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/ottelia_01.htm
   
 7.  Pogostemon  stellatus
 Details:-  http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=119
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/green-ant_crk_pogostemon_01.htm
   
 8.  Utricularia  leptoplectra
 Details:-  http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Utricularia
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/utricularia_leptoplectra_01.htm
   
 9.  Vallisneria  nana  Daly  River
 Details:-  http://www.deh.gov.au/water/rivers/nrhp/daly-river-3/habitat-value.html#distribution
 Details:-  http://www.lucidcentral.com/keys/APPW/html/vallisneria.html
   
 Pics:-  http://www.lucidcentral.com/keys/APPW/html/vallisneria_images.html
 Pics:-
 http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/daly_river_vale_01.htm
   
 10.  Vallisneria  nana  Howard  River
 
 Pics  Details  :-  http://bpsg.frell.org/middleframe.html
   
 Pics:-  http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/northern_territory/NT_water_plants/htm/howard_river_vale_01.htm
   
 But  probably  most  of  these  plants  cannot  be  used  in  the  aquarium.
   
 And  you  could  refer  to  http://db.angfa.org.au/plants.php  (  Final  Reference),  the  database  has  details  of  the  plant  including  the  areas,  so  if  you  want  to  look  for  say  plants  which  go  with  Melanotaenia  australis,  which  is  found  in  Anopheles  Creek,  So  plants  from  Anopheles  Creek  are  to  searched  for.
   
 So  I  hope  now  this  helps.
   
 Best  Wishes  
   
 Sujoy
   
 
 From:  Sujoy  Banerjee  <joyban70@yahoo.com>  
 Date:  Mon  Feb  20,  2006    11:07  am  
 Subject:  Re:  [r_m_l]  New  Guinea    joyban70  
   
 
 Hi  
   
 Will  try  and  answer  some  of  your  questions  :-
   
 >1.Is  the  entire  island  collectively  called  "New  Guinea"?  If  >not,  what  the  hey  is  it  called?
 
 New  Guinea,  located  just  north  of  Australia,  is  the  world's  second  largest  island  having  become  separated  from  the  Australian  mainland  when  the  area  now  known  as  the  Torres  Strait  flooded  around  5000  BC.  The  name  papua  has  also  been  long-associated  with  the  island.  Approximately  half  of  the  island  is  composed  of  Indonesian  territory,  while  the  other  half  forms  the  country  of  Papua  New  Guinea
   
 The  island  of  New  Guinea  is  divided  politically  into  roughly  into  equal  halves  across  a  north-south  line:The  western  portion  of  the  island  of  (Irian  in  Indonesian),  located  west  of  141╟E  longitude  (see  map  )  are  incorporated  into  Indonesia  as  the  provinces:  West  Irian  Jaya  (Irian  Jaya  Barat)  with  Manokwari  as  its  capital  Papua  (formerly  Irian  Jaya)  with  the  city  of  Jayapura  as  its  capital.  A  proposal  to  split  this  province  into  Central  Papua  (Papua  Tengah)  and  East  Papua  (Papua  Timur)  has  not  been  implemented.  
 
 Western  New  Guinea,  which  refers  to  the  entire  western  half  of  New  Guinea
 
 The  eastern  part  forms  the  primary  part  of  Papua  New  Guinea,  which  has  been  an  independent  country  since  1975.  
   
 Map  reference  :-  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/LocationAustralia.png
   
 You  may  also  refer  to  http://members.optusnet.com.au/aquatichabitats/index.html
   
   
 >2.  I  ran  across  the  following:
 >a)  The  vegetation  of  New  Guinea  is  more  closely  allied  >to  >the  flora  of  western  Asia  than  to  that  of  the  Australian  >continent.  For  
 >this  reason  it  has  been  termed  "Malesian",  part  Asian  and  >part  Melanesian.
 >b)  Iran  Jaya  -  The  vegetation  is  similar  in  physiognomy  and  
 >species  composition  to  that  of  northern  Australia
 >These  two  totally  contradict  each  other.  Which  one  is  more  >correct?
 
 Meganesia  is  a  continent  made  up  of  the  Australian  landmass,  New  Guinea,  Tasmania,  and  intervening  islands.  These  landmasses  are  separated  by  the  Torres  Strait  (Australia  and  New  Guinea)  and  the  Bass  Strait  (Australia  and  Tasmania).  From  biological  and  geological  points  of  view,  however,  they  form  a  single  unit.  As  Irian  Jaya  Papua  and  West  New  Guinea  all  form  New  Guinea  so  from  the  Biological  and  geological  points  of  view,  however,  they  will  still  form  a  single  unit.
   
 More  reference  please  read  :-  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_%28continent%29
   
 >3.  What  exactly  is  meant  by  the  term  "Melanesian"?
   
 "Malesian",  part  Asian  and  part  Melanesian
   
 >4.  For  the  most  part,  would  it  true  be  that  the  further  north-west  you  travel  in  Irian  Jaya,  the  closer  the  flora  resembles  that  of  the  rest  of  Indonesia?  Asia?
 
 I  think  It  would  be  incorrect  to  mention  is  like  that  as  because  as  a  land  mass  they  were  part  of  Australia.  But  it  has  been  mentioned  
   
 "Eventually,  the  Australia-New  Guinea  tectonic  plate  collided  with  the  Eurasian  plate  to  the  north.  The  collision  caused  the  northern  part  of  the  continent  to  buckle  upwards,  forming  the  high  and  rugged  mountains  of  New  Guinea  and,  by  reverse  (downwards)  buckling,  the  Torres  Strait  that  now  separates  the  two  main  landmasses.  The  collision  also  pushed  up  the  islands  of  Wallacea,  which  served  as  island  'stepping-stones'  that  allowed  plants  from  Southeast  Asia's  rainforests  to  colonise  New  Guinea,  and  some  plants  from  Australia-New  Guinea  to  move  into  Southeast  Asia.  The  ocean  straits  between  the  islands  were  narrow  enough  to  allow  plant  dispersal,  but  served  as  an  effective  barrier  to  exchange  of  land  mammals  between  Australia-New  Guinea  and  Asia."
   
 >5.  Ditto  for  the  south,  only  Australia?
   
 Refer  to  point  4
   
 >6.If  one  were  a  real  stickler  for  details  and  trying  to  >plant  a  tank  as  a  display  suitable  for  fish  found  in  southern  >Papua  New  Guinea,  would  it  be  "kosher"  to  substitute  plants  >found  in  the  northern  parts  of  Australia?
   
 While  planning  a  Biotype  Tank  for  Rainbowfish  from  New  Guinea,  please  let  us  know  the  fishes  which  you  would  want  to  keep  and  we  can  plan  for  the  plants  that  can  go  with  a  biotype  tank...
 Mostly  the  plants  could  be  :-
   
 Main  reference  :-  http://www.anbg.gov.au/projects/fern/aquatic/png_aquatic.html
   
 1.  Azolla  pinnata  -  Water  Velvet
 http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-28.htm
   
   
 2.  Ceratophyllum  demersum  -  http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=021
   
 3.  Ceratopteris  thalictroides  -  
 http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=005A
   
 4.    Eleocharis  acicularis  -  
 http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=133
   
 5.    Limnophila  aromatica  -  
 www.tropica.com/productcard.asp?id=047B
   
 6.  Limnophila  indica  -
 http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=149
   
 7.  Ludwigia  adscendens  -  Water  Primerose  (  difficult  to  keep  in  a  aquarium)
 http://www.fishesnpets.net/gallery/aquaticplants.shtml
   
 8.  Ludwigia  octovalvis  -  -  Mexian  Water  Primerose  Yellow  (  difficult  to  keep  in  a  aquarium)
 http://www.hear.org/species/ludwigia%5Foctovalvis/
   
 9.  
 a.  Nymphaea  dictyophlebia    
 b.  Nymphaea  pubescens
 
   
 http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com/fish/Tropica/t018.html
   
 10.
 a.  Nymphoides  exiliflora
 b.  Nymphoides  indica
 http://www.victoria-adventure.org/waterlilies/nymphoides_species_images.html
 
 11.Pistia  stratiotes  -  
 http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=128
   
 12.    Spirodela  polyrhiza  -
 http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/sppopic.html
 
   
 More  Reference:-
 http://members.optusnet.com.au/aquatichabitats/index.html
 http://badmanstropicalfish.com/biotope/biotope6.html
 http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/aquaticslife/index.html
 http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/index.htm
   
   
 >7.  Same  question,  only  Irian  Jaya  --  could  one  substitute  >plants  from  Indonesia?  Malaysia?
   
 May  be  point  6  has  already  answered  this.
   
 But  Some  Aquatic  Plants  From  New  Guinea  /  Australia  /  New  Zealand  :-
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=57&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
 Eriocaulon  setaceum  -    http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=84&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
 Glossostigma  elatinoides  -  
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=57&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
 http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=045A
   
 Pogostemon  stellatus  -  
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=93&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
 Pogostemon  stellatus  'Broad  Leaf'  -  
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=80&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
 Ranunculus  limosella  -  
 http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=022D
   
 Ranunculus  papulentus  -  
 http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=148&category=region&spec=Australasia
   
   
   
 Book  Reference:-  
   
   
 1.  Freshwater  plants  of  Papua  New  Guinea  G.J.Leach  &    P.L.  Osborne    1985      ISBN  9980  84  003  X    -  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/998084003X/ref=olp_product_details/104-8350621-5927158?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155
 
 2.  Aquatic  Plants  of  Australia          Helen  I.  Aston    1973          ISBN  0  522  84044  2
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0522840442/qid=1140448861/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
 3.  Rainbowfishes  of  Australia  and  PNG  by  Gerald  Allen  ISBN:  0876665474
   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876665474/qid=1140450313/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
 4.Rainbowfishes:  In  Nature  and  in  the  Aquarium  by  Gerald  Allen  ISBN  1564651495
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1564651495/qid=1140450347/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
 5.Australian  Native  Fishes  for  Aquariums  -  Leggett,R.  &  J.R.Merrick
 http://www.gse.mq.edu.au/Research/Staff/John_Merrick.shtml
   
   
 6.Rainbow  Fishes:  Keeping  &  Breeding  Them  in  Captivity  (Re-615)  (Paperback)  ISBN:  0793803764  
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0793803764/qid=1140451079/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
 7.Field  Guide  to  the  Freshwater  Fishes  of  Australia  -  by  GR  Allen  ISBN  0730754863
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0730754863/qid=1140451113/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
   
 8.    Field  guide  to  the  freshwater  fishes  of  New  Guinea.  -  Allen,  G.R.,  1991.  Christensen    Research  Institute,  Madang,  Papua  New  Guinea.  
 ISBN:  9980853042  
   
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9980853042/qid=1140451176/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8350621-5927158?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
   
 9.  Allen,  G.R.,  1989.  Freshwater  fishes  of  Australia..  T.F.H.  Publications,  Inc.,  Neptune  City,  New  Jersey  ISBN:  0866229361  
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0866229361/qid=1140451291/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8350621-5927158?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
   
   
 10.Allen,  G.R.,  1982.  A  field  guide  to  inland  fishes  of  western  Australia..  Western  Australian  Museum,  Perth.ISBN:    0724484094  
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0724484094/qid=1140451502/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-8350621-5927158?n=283155
   
   
 11.  Rainbowfish  Complete  Owner's  Manual  (Paperback)  -  ISBN:  0764111809
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764111809/qid=1140454080/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-8350621-5927158?s=books&v=glance&n=283155  
   
 12.  Complete  Aquarium  (Paperback)  by  Perer  W  Scott  ISBN:  0789400138  
   
 13.Allen,  G.R.  and  S.J.  Renyaan,  1996.  Eleotrid  fishes  of  the  Triton  Lakes,  Irian  Jaya,  with  descriptions  of  four  new  species..  Rev..  Fr.  Aquariol.  23(1-2):47-56.
   
   
 14.Allen,  G.R.,  1996.  Two  new  species  of  rainbowfishes  (Melanotaenia:  Melanotaeniidae),  from  the  Kikori  River  system,  Papua  New  Guinea..  Rev.  Fr.  Aquariol.  23(1-2):9-16.
   
   
 15.  Allen,  G.R.  and  S.J.  Renyaan,  1998.  Three  new  species  of  rainbowfishes  (Melanotaeniidae)  from  Irian  Jaya,  Indoensia..  Aqua  3(2):69-80
 http://www.petsforum.com/aquageo/AquaIssues/AQ3-2.html
   
 16.  Allen,  G.R.,  1998.  A  new  genus  and  species  of  rainbowfish  (Melanotaeniidae)  from  fresh  waters  of  Irian  Jaya,  Indonesia..  Rev.  Fr.  Aquariol.  25:(1-2):11-16.
   
 17.  Allen,  G.R.,  2004.  Kiunga  bleheri,  a  new  blue-eye  (Pisces:  Pseudomugilidae)  from  fresh  waters  of  Papua  New  Guinea..  Aqua  8(2):79-85.
 http://www.petsforum.com/aquageo/AquaIssues/AQ8-2.html
   
 18.  Allen,  G.R.  and  S.J.  Renyaan,  1996.  Three  new  species  of  rainbowfishes  (Melanotaeniidae)  from  the  Triton  Lakes,  Irian  Jaya,  New  Guinea..  Aqua  2(2):13-24.
 http://www.petsforum.com/aquageo/AquaIssues/AQ2-2.html
   
 Hope  this  helps,  would  be  wonderful  if  you  could  create  a  Biotype  Aquarium  for  the  Rainbowfishes,  I  just  love  them.
   
 Please  post  photos  when  you  are  ready  and  done.
   
 Best  Wishes  
   
 Sujoy  Banerjee
 New  Delhi
 India
 http://www.iah.in
   
                 
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 India  
 http://www.iah.in                  

 
 should  it  not  be  'www.iah.cc'  ?
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 Some  More  Updates  :-
 
 
                                                 
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Hello  Eileen,
 
 If  you  want  to  see  what  fish  go  with  the  various  plants  from  the  ANGFA
 database  go  to  the  fish  and  make  a  note  of  the  locations.      Then  go  to  the
 survey  for  each  of  the  locations  and  you  should  get  a  list  of  the  plants  in
 the  survey  if  any  were  recorded.
 
 While  Steve  Brooks  and  I  were  at  Anopheles  Creek  we  found  a  lovely  aquatic
 hairgrass  which  was  not  listed  at  the  time  because  we  were  not  sure  of  the
 identity.  It  might  be  Websteria  confervoides  which  was  discovered  here  in
 the  top  of  Australia  a  three  years  ago  by  local  Botanists  from  the  NT
 Government  Herbarium.      All  the  plants  known  in  Australia  can  be  found  here
 
 http://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/databases/apni.html
 
 The  hairgrass  specimen  from  Anopheles  Creek  was  sent  to  Surrey  Jacobs  of  the
 Royal  Botanic  Gardens  in  NSW  for  proper  identification.
 
 Many  of  the  plants  found  in  the  north  of  Australia  are  also  found  in  New
 Guinea.      Maybe  New  Guinea  has  a  check  list  of  plants  recorded  somewhere.
 You  could  check  all  the  aquatic  plant  genus  that  you  know  are  good  in  the
 aquarium  against  all  the  listed  plants  for  New  Guinea  if  you  like  to  torture
 yourself.      That  is  what  I  have  done  for  the  north  of  Australia.        I  am
 still  looking  for  water  plants.      Some  of  their  pictures  are  in  a  photo
 album  attached  to  this  web  page.
 
 http://www.aquagreen.pracsol.com.au/
 
 If  you  have  any  questions  about  these  plants  just  ask.      I  don¹t  know  where
 you  are  but  you  can  probably  get  plenty  of  plants  in  the  aquarium  trade  that
 are  cosmopolitan  or  occur  right  across  Asia  through  New  Guinea  to  the  top  of
 Australia.
 
 If  I  look  in  the  Book  "Floodplain  Flora,  a  flora  of  the  coastal  floodplains
 of  the  Northern  Territory,  Australia"  by  Ian  Cowie  and  some  others  it  will
 tell  me  where  else  in  the  world  the  plants  occur.      I  have  listed  a  few  that
 have  New  Guinea  as  their  distribution  as  well  as  the  NT  of  Australia.
 
 Marselia  crenata
 Ceratopteris  thalictroides
 Nymphaea  macrosperma
 Nymphaea  nouchali
 Nymphaea  pubescens
 Nymphaea  violacea
 Ceratophyllum  demersum
 Myriophyllum  dicoccum
 Rotala  mexicana
 Rotala  occultiflora
 Rotala  rosea
 Nymphoides  aurantiaca
 Nymphoides  exiliflora
 Limnophila  aromatica
 Limnophila  chinensis
 Limnophila  fragrans
 Microcarpaea  minima
 Hygrophila  angustifolia
 Staurogyne  leptocaulis
 Goodenia  purpurescens
 Butomopsis  latifolia
 Blyxa  aubertii
 Hydrilla  verticillata
 Ottelia  alismoides
 Potamogeton  javanicus
 Xyris  indica
 
 If  you  keep  looking  there  are  probably  heaps  of  plants  from  New  Guinea  and
 Australia  suitable  for  the  aquarium.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
                 
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