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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Hi  all.  I  am  contemplating  a  South  American  BW  tank.  It  is  aimed  at  hosting  12-14  Peruvian  Scalares,  some  corys  and  few  APistogrammas.  I  will  use  Nile  sand  as  substrate  and  driftwoods.  The  tank  dimension  is  72X18X18.  I  intend  to  use  dried  almond  leaves  to  keep  the  water  'black'.  What  must  I  do  to  ensure  the  water  is  soft?  An  RO  water  for  the  entire  tank?  Any  other  alternatives?   Need  your  advice  before  I  start  on  the  venture.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 hi  bmukh..  if  your  Peruvians  are  wild  caught  water  quality  is  important  ,  else  u  can  start  off  with  70%  RO  and  slowly  shift  them  to  normal  tap  water  conditions..  premkk  has  some  wild  caughts  ,  may  be  you  should  ask  him  for  more  details  on  the  water  quality...
 
 dried  almond  leaves  will  make  the  water  soft,  I  guess  it  should  be  fine  for  the  Peruvians  ..
 
 good  luck  and  I'm  waiting  now  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 IAH  has  several  threads  about  Peruvian  Scalares,  none  of  which  ,  from  those  i  saw  at  least,  sadly,  are  peruvian  scalares.   Sad  Sad  but  true.  the  peruvian  scalare  is  distinguised  by  a  notched  forehead  and  a  notch  spot  between  the  two  mail  stripes  on  the  body.  Without  BOTH  these  features,  it  is  not  a  Peruvian  Scalare  Angel.  One  or  the  other  makes  it,  yes,  for  instance,  like  a  oranda  with  a  single  tail.  Or  a  koi  with  long  fins  (both  highly  frowned  on  by  judges  and  purists  alike).
 
 Anybody  interested  in  this  variation  of  the  Scalare  complex  must  first  understand  the  amazing  but  very  elegant  concept  of  Ring  Species.  Here  is  the  wikipedia  link
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
 
 the  reason  these  scalares  are  so  different  and  resemble  Altums  in  a  few  ways  is  because  apparently  in  nature  there  is  a  continuum  of  populations  in  the  Amazon  region,  and  in  Peru  especially,  that  shows  a  genetic  drift  of  genes  from  the  conventional  scalare  to  the  scalare  with  altum  proportions  (deep  body,  large  size,  notched  forehead)  and,  finally,  pure  altums.  these  species  can  breed  among  adjacent  populations  but  poplulations  (pure  scalare  and  pure  altum)  are  too  different  to  breed.  This  phenomenon  has  been  replicated  in  other  species,  including  the  gull  mentioned  in  the  wikipedia  article.  i  think  in  India  it  is  replicated  in  the  Indian  Caste  System  too!!   Chuckle  Honest.  
 
 For  Peruvian  lovers  (i  am  one  Smile,  these  two  web  pages  are  particularly  illuminating:
 
 http://www.aquahobby.com/tanks/e_tank0710.php
 
 http://www.nobobo.com/2010/10/altum-peru/pterophyllum-scalare-angelfish/
 
 I  understand  the  owners  of  angels  without  forehead  notches  will  be  disappointed  to  read  this,  so  here  is  a  page  with  a  pic  of  another  wild  species  (one  of  the  three  main  angelfish  species)  that  shows  a  sloping  forehead  shows  a  Pterophylluym  leopoldi  also  called  Pterophyllum  dumerilii  or  Long  nosed  Angelfish
 
 http://www.finarama.com/tba/chronicles/mcfarlane.htm
 
 Since  our  regular  scalares  show  generations  of  interbreeding  some  have  notched  forheads  and  some  have  sloping  forheads,  this  are  the  dumerilli   genes  resurfacing  in  the  three  species  complex,  with  the  domestic  'scalares'  going  from  the  the  long  nosed  extreme  to  the  notchedness  of  altums,  all  on  extreme  ends  of  the  continuum.
 
 Isn't  it  wonderful  that  an  ordinary  angelfish  can  have  so  many  secrets  to  reveal?  
 
 @bappa
 
 the  Rio  Nanay  Scalare  Angelfish  is  also  worth  pursuing,  can  u,  with  your  old  contacts,  find  us  poor  delhi  keepers,  a  supplier?  Please  think  before  u  stock  that  lovely  tank  we  all  saw  a  few  days  ago!
 
 I  have  been  a  member  of  www.finarama.com  for  three  years  now.  
 
 can  u  become  a  member?  the  site  has  amongst  the  most  learned  angelfish  experts.  if  u  do,  u  will  be  able  to  see  this  page,  and  u  will  see  the  real  Peruvian  Scalare
 
 http://www.finarama.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1668&sid=597f66b2ba039e486121c6fa2c33f888
   
 In  case  this  hair-splitting  is  not  tedious  to  you,  enjoy  this  site:
 http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=22869   
 
 
 
 best  wishes,  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Guys,
 Back  again  with  a  new  project.  This  time  a  6  feeter  South  American  Black  water.  
 Dimensions:  72  (L)  X  21(D)  X  18  (H)
 Water:  80%  RO  rest  Tap
 How  to  keep  it  'black'  and  soft:  Mostly  Almond  leaves,  but  initially  have  put  some  commercially  available  BW  extract.  
 Substrate:  Ada  Nile  sand
 Background:  Tree  trunk,  roots  and  Rocscape  customized  and  made  by  India  Petstore
 Hardscape:  Plenty  of  Driftwoods
 Filtration:  2217  Eheim  and  2203  Eheim  (might  remove  the  2203  later)
 Filtration  media:  Apart  from  sponzes,  ADA  Bio  Rio  and  SERA  Peat
 Light:  3  X10  watts  LED
 Fauna  (to  add  some  more):  Currently  experimenting  with  Water  Hyacinth  (local  nursery),  few  Echinodorius.  Will  add  Amazon  sword  plants.
 Intended  Fauna:  Cories  (I  need  some,  around  20,  where  can  I  get  them),  Scalares  (around  10-12)  will  get  them  next  week,  Around  8-10  of  a  single  species  of  Apistogramma  .  Currently  contemplating  Apistogramma  Agassizi  (Super  Red),  have  two  (both  males)  will  add  a  few  more.  Juanico  are  you  listening        ?  Any  idea  for  some  dither  fishes,  tempted  to  use  cardinals  but  they  may  be  easy  snacks  for  the  Angels.
 Other  observations:  The  tank  is  cycled  with  water  from  my  existing  tank,  2203  filter  that  was  in  my  existing  tank.  Cycling  for  over  3  weeks  now.  Have  added  few  Black  Mollies  too.
 Parameters:  PH  6.4.  Other  readings  will  take  later.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Some  pics
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 The  centre
 
 Left  side:
 
 Right  side
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Absolutely  splendid  customized  background!
 Reminds  me  of  certain  Oliver  Knott  creations  though  I  believe  this,when  completed  will  surpass  them  by  miles.
 My  only  complaint  is  the  height  of  the  tank  which  if  increased  could  really  have  added  to  the  monstrosity  of  the  scape.
 Nevertheless,  a  thread  to  be  definitely  kept  track  of.
 Good  luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Awesome  scape  .......  waiting  for  the  updates  Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Good  job  on  the  aqua  scape..  Really  like  it...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 Bappa  Put  some  more  wood  and  some  plants  between  the  woods...Drift  wood  would  be  enough  to  make  the  water  soft.
 
 
 http://www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=259&Itemid=64
 
 http://www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=53
 
 http://www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=53
 
 http://www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=293&Itemid=64
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 This  is  looking  very  nice!!  Thumb Up  
 ...and  it  can  only  get  better.
 
 When  are  the  fish  coming?
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 looks  very  nice  dada  waiting  for  the  updates  Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 very  promising!  the  background   itself.   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Help needed: Planning a setup for Peruvian Scalare Reply with quote

 @aquarius
 
 u  r  so  right,  this  is  definitely  very  oliver  knotty!  His  website  is  full  of  such  backgrounds.  Now,  my  brain  is   ticking  and  telling  me  i  did  hear  that  Bappa  was  in  Germany  a  while  ago....   Eyebrow  i  did  try  to  persuade  him  to  get  some  of  those  lovely  blue  white  clouds  minnows  that  u  see  on  oliver's  site  (a  staple  in  quality  conscious  german  hobbyist  breeders),  but  bappa  wasnt  concentrating  it  seems.  he  must  have  been  staring  at  tank  background  all  the  while.
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 Thanks  guys  for  such  encoragement  :-).  Sujoyda,  will  put  some  plants,  but  let  me  see  whether  it  would  go  well  with  the  setup.  I  have  lots  of  driftwoods  in  it  (given  my  fascination  for  them   Chuckle  ,  but  may  be  I  will  remove  a  few  so  as  to  not  cover  the  background,  which  I  think  is  the  main  attraction.
 
 Romi,  didn't  find  time  to  visit  Oliver  Knott,  but  just  see  what  merely  staying  in  his  country  for  a  few  days  can  do  to  you!  
 
 Now  is  the  wait  for  the  fishes.  I  will,  to  the  extent  possible  give  an  weekly  update
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 Bappa,
 
 Try  and  put  some  plants  and  additional  driftwood  ....this  way  the  pH  will  drop  and  you  will  get  slightly  dark  yellow  water  as  well...
 
 A  good  website  is  :-  
 
 http://www.backtonature.se/index.html
 
 And  some  pics  from  the  same  site...
 
 http://www.backtonature.se/images/600/1527.jpg
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 http://www.backtonature.se/english/bild.html?bild=600/1897.jpg
 
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