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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:07 am Post subject: Discus fights Reply with quote

 I  had  two  small  size  discus  fish  from  one  month  and  bought  2  blue  Diamond(BD)-medium  size  discus  fish.
 
 One  of  the  BD  fish  is  now  being  very  aggressive  and  keeps  on  fighting  with  other  three.  
 
 I  have  2ft  tank  with  only  these  4  fishes.  some  decor  for  hiding  and  some  plants.
 i  fed  them  twice  a  day  and  make  sure  that  all  gets  food  well,  removes  any  extra  food  remaining.
 Water  changes  weekly  1/4th  of  total  water.
 
 any  suggestions?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 i  do  not  keep  discuss  neither  have  i  ever  kept  it.  but  the  information  given  in  your  post  is  alarming  from  what  i  have  read  in  this  forum  about  discuss  keeping.
 
 1.  you  cannot  keep  4  discuss  in  a  2  feet  tank  unless  your  tank's  width  is  2  feet  and  height  is  2  feet  too.  
 2.  water  change  1/4th  per  week??  what  i  have  read  is  that  people  do  at-least  50%  water  change  twice  a  week  in  a  tank  which  is  around  3  x1.5  x  1.5  feet.  some  do  daily  water  change  of  50%  or  more.
 
 as  of  to  your  original  question  i  will  leave  discuss  experts  to  reply.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 Iam  sure  you  are  not  going  to  be  a  new  bee  for  long  
 give  approximate  figure  of  two  size  groups
 bigger  discus  will  always  bully  smaller  or  weaker  ones  this  will  effect  the  growth  of  smaller  fish
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 +1  Emmanuel  the  larger  one  will  bully
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 It’s  very  normal....
 
 >  Bigger  one  always  run  after  the  smaller  size  discus  ...no  issue...but  try  to  feed  them  min.  3-4  time  ...so  that  smaller  one  can  get  their  food...
 
 >  WC  ....you  need  min.  2  -3  times  in  a  week  50%  to  100%.....otherwise  later  on  there  will  be  trouble  due  to  impurity  of  the  water.....
 
 >  Later  on  try  to  manage  a  bigger  tank....3'x1.5'x1.5'  will  be  ideal  size...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 Keeping  smaller  discus  with  bigger  ones  will  lead  to  stunting  of  the  smaller  ones.Other  than  the  bullying  factor,  release  of  growth  reducing  hormones  will  contribute  to  the  stunting.
 Furthermore,your  water  change  regime  is  very  low  for  discus  of  that  size.No  decor  and  plants  should  reduce  the  already  scanty  space.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 ahh!!  i  realize  about  my  water  change  schedule  today  when  i  decide  to  clean  the  tank  reading  the  suggestions.
 
 The  two  smaller  ones  were  not  that  messy  Smile...so  till  now  i  survived  with  small  water  changes
 I  did  50%  water  change  today  and  would  follow  as  suggested.  Rock On  
 
 
 To  aquariumer,
 I  could't  really  get  the  dimensions  as  these  guys  keep  on  playing  hide  n  seek  i  would  try  to  put  pics  soon.
 
 To  abhis9,
 Thanks  but  looks  like  my  smaller  fishes  are  smarter.  They  eat  all  food  as  they  are  use  to  hand  feeding.
 i  give  then  frozen  blood  worms  in  morning  and  tetrabites  in  night  time
 i  make  sure  that  food  is  spread  across  evenly  so  that  all  get  to  eat...but  yes...the  smaller  once  eat  a  lot.
 The  food  time  is  fixed  and  all  4  got  use  to  with  the  food  time.  but  the  two  new  one  (BD)  are  still  little  scared.
 
 I  removed  extra  decors,  moved  plants  to  another  aquarium  as  anyways  the  plant  needed  light  more.  its  a  bare  tank  with  3  hiding  places  for  them.
 Yes,  they  still  have  fights,  but  it  does  not  look  harmful  though...yet!!
 
 To  mudjawd  &  abhis9,
 This  is  temp  setup  for  the  fishes,  i  would  be  moving  to  larger  aquarium  but  it  would  take  a  little  time.
 i  would  post  photos  of  my  aquarium  soon  to  get  an  idea.
 
 Thanks  all  for  your  kind  suggestion
 lets  see  if  water  change  and  food  would  help  reduce  their  fight.  Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

                                                   
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i   give   then   frozen   blood   worms   in   morning   and   tetrabites   in   night   time                  

 Blood  worms  live  or  frozen  not  safe  for  discus  .  If  Discus  are  smaller  they  just  go  on  eating  and  eating  and  eating  .......  and  then  the  problem  starts  .
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 Oh  really!!
 i  thought  its  good  for  them...i  read  that  the  live  ones  are  not  safe
 
 oh  ok...i  will  then  just  stick  to  tetrabites...whatever  gets  finished  in  2  mins...only  that  much  amount!!
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 feed  beef  heart  of  goat  heart   mix  to  build  some  size  on  them  and  if  you  cannot  do  that  then  feed  hikari  discus  bio  gold  it  gives  good  results.
 I  feel  hiding  places  is  not  a  good  idea  for  discus  as  they  will  always  keep  hiding  and  show  up  only  at  feeds.
 you  add  decor  once  they  are  4  inch  and  above
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 Thanks.  i  would  look  for  that  option
 
 Well...i  have  a  little  question  to  Discusolic
 
 Why  frozen/llive  bloodworms  are  not  safe?  does  it  anything  to  do  with  the  discus  fighting?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 Here  are  the  photos  of  fishes.
 Sorry  could  manage  to  take  this  one  only.
 
 The  smaller  one's  are  2"  in  size  and  blue  one's  are  3"  in  size.
 the  latest  news  is...all  are  fighting  with  all...
 
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Why  frozen/llive  bloodworms  are  not  safe?  does  it  anything  to  do  with  the  discus  fighting?                

 1)  Feeding  any  live/  frozen  freshwater  aquatic  animals,  like  Mosquito  larva,  daphnia,  tubiflex,  or  bloodworms  to  discus  is  not  safe  even  though  they  accelerate  the  growth  of  the  Discus.
 2)  They  come  from  polluted  source  and  harbors  parasites,  bacteria  and  viruses.
 3)Even  with  best  cleaning  method  ,  may  be  able  to   reduce  the  parasite-  count  but  will   never  REPEAT  never   be  able  to  totally  eliminates  all  parasites.
 4)  Parasite  which  are  in  cysts  forms  or  in  the  embryonic     stage  may  stay  dormant  for  a  long  period  and  then  develop  and  hatch  once  the  water  favors  their  existence.
 5)  Young  discus  which  are  feed  live  blood  worms  regularly,  shows  aggressive  behavior.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Discus fights Reply with quote

 Wow!!  
 
 Thanks  Discusolic  for  that  eye  opening  clarification.
 
 i  will  stick  to  my  current  food  and  will  let  you  know  the  status  of  aggressive  behavior  of  my  fishes.
 
 Thanks  once  again  for  help
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 @Shiva  so  what  is  your  opinion  on  freeze  dried  blood  worms
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