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 Hi,
 
 I  have  a  planted  tank  -  5x1.5x1.5  which  was  setup  about  2  months  back.  For  the  last  2  weeks,  i  am  losing  fish  everyday,  one  at  a  time.  I  have  the  following  fish-
 1)  Barbs-  tiger,  green
 2)  Sharks  (redtail,  rainbow,  albino)
 3)  Coolie  loaches
 4)  Talking  cat  fish  -  small
 5)  corydorous
 
 Everyday,  one  or  two  of  these  fishes  are  dying.  I  have  noticed  that  they  either  have  a  bloated  stomach  on  dying  or  they  have  a  thinned  red  stomach.  All  fishes  otherwise  seem  normal  and  healthy  and  eat  well.  
 
 The  treatments  i  have  tried  are:
 1)Intensive  WC  every  3  days
 2)  Terracycline  for  3  days
 3)  Rid  all  general  aid  with  Salt
 
 I  have  kept  the  temperature  up  to  28deg  C  as  well.  I  am  running  an  eheim2217  with  ceramic  and  general  phosphate  rocks.  i  did  remove  my  active  carbon  as  well  suspecting  it  may  have  somthing  to  do  with  it.  
 
 I  have  a  few  rocks  as  well  in  my  tank.  Please  advise  on  what  treatments  i  can  try  out?
 
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 just  wanted  to  add  that  i  am  not  seeing  any  external  signs  of  diseases,  fin  rot,  white  spots,  ich  etc...and  this  is  making  diagnosis  more  difficult
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 the  total  number  of  fish  that  i  have  in  my  tank  is  now  about  20  down  from  about  30  as  of  last  week...  so  my  tank  is  not  overstocked.  My  aerator  is  on  24  hours  a  day  and  i  have  two  large  airstones  doing  the  job...  
 
 I  took  out  my  barbs  2  days  back  and  put  them  in  a  bucket...  one  of  them  died  just  now  and  i  lost  a  coolie  loach  too  just  now..  The  funny  thing  is  that  the  coolie  loach  was  red  in  the  middle  portion  of  its  body  like  a  red  line  about  1  cm  long...and  the  stomach  was  compressed.
 
 IS  there  any  more  detail  i  need  to  provide  for  a  diagnosis?
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 Sounds  like  a  bacterial  infection.  Remove  all  the  fish  from  the  tank  and  treat  with  a  proprietary  antibiotic.
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 I  think  the  terramycin  should  have  taken  care  of  the  infection  if  it  is  a  bacterial  infection.
 I  also  want  to  warn  you  that  I  have  had  a  bitter  experience  with  corys  and  tiger  barbs  -  the  later  had  very  methodically  eaten  up  the  eyes  of  my  corys    Sad  so  don't  mix  them  
 I  would  advise  you  to  check  your  water  parameters  (phosphate  test  included)  and  post  the  readings  here
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 He  did  not  mention  treating  the  fish  in  a  QT  tank...  antibiotics  are  pretty  useless  if  used  in  a  show  tank.
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 I  thought  that  the  only  difference  between  a  QT  and  a  show  tank  for  treatment  would  be  the  dosage  of  lmedicine  i  need  to  put  based  on  the  water  quantity.  How  would  a  show  tank  be  less  effective  in  that  case?  
 
 For  a  300  litre  tank,  i  used  5000mg  of  terracycline.  Is  that  less?  Please  let  me  know.  
 
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 Antibiotics  in  your  show  tank  will  kill  off  all  the  good  bacteria.
 Ammonia  spike  in  less  than  24  hours.
 Situation  worse  than  what  you  started  with.
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 If  you  use  antibiotics  in  a  QT,  the  showtank  will  still  have  the  infection  and  the  fishes  will  be  infected  soon  after  you  add  them  to  the  display  tank.    Better  to  treat  the  showtank  provided  with  filter  media  and  some  water  from  an  established  tank  so  that  your  fishes  dont  burn  out  their  gills  of  ammonia  hikes.
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 Moral  of  the  story:
 
 If  you  are  a  ONE  Show  Tank  aquarist  -  be  very  careful  and  quarantine  the  fish  BEFORE  you  introduce  them  into  the  show  tank.
 
 You  don't  need  another  quarantine"glass  tank".  A  bucket  with  an  airstone  is  good  enough  along  with  daily  100%  water  change.  You  medicate  lesser  quantity  and  have  less  worries.
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If  you  use  antibiotics  in  a  QT,  the  showtank  will  still  have  the  infection  and  the  fishes  will  be  infected  soon  after  you  add  them  to  the  display  tank.    Better  to  treat  the  showtank  provided  with  filter  media  and  some  water  from  an  established  tank  so  that  your  fishes  dont  burn  out  their  gills  of  ammonia  hikes.                

 
 Madhu  it's  not  so  simple,  filter  media  and  water  will  help  a  bit  that's  all,  once  antibiotics  get  into  the  show  tank  it's  back  to  the  6  weeks  of  Nitrogen  cycling.
 
 Big  headache.
 
 You  could  try  bacteria  cultures  to  speed  up  the  process  in  the  show  tank,  but  it's  still  2  weeks  of  trouble.  Until  then  daily  water  changes  to  keep  ammonia  down  is  the  only  hope.
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 Yes  sir!    Got  your  point.    But  to  the  best  of  my  knowledge,  barbs  that  he  has  can  tolerate  a  fair  ammount  of  ammonia  for  a  couple  of  weeks  if  they  are  in  a  not  so  bad  condition.    So  won't  they  be  able  to  tolerate  'not  so  lethal  levels'  of  ammonia  for  the  first  two  weeks  supplimented  with  good  water  changes?    because  i  had  a  parasitic  prob  with  my  native  tank  and  50%  established  water  +  media  replacement  came  in  handy  after  a  dose  of  pot.permanganate.
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 Good  water  changes  daily  is  the  best  bet  under  the  circumstances.
 Since  anti-biotics  are  already  in  the  tank,  the  treatment  should  be  continued  for  3-5  days.  Daily  water  changes  and  add  the  antibiotic  again  to  mainatin  the  level  of  antibiotics  is  the  tank  full  of  water  at  every  water  change  before  replenishing  the  water  -  Andrew  Soh's  advice.
 
 Once  the  treatment  is  complete,  even  though  it  is  a  planted  tank,  and  ammonia  is  not  expected  to  be  present,  my  experience  has  been  an  ammonia  spike  and  resulting  algae,  fish  scratching,  and  a  few  more  deaths.  So  water  changes  should  be  continued,  but  without  the  addition  of  antibiotics  until  things  stabilise.  YMMV.
 
 No  more  addition  of  new  fish  to  replenish  the  stock.
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 Hi  All,
 
 Just  a  thought,  could  this  be  Tuberculosis?
 If  so  then  do  you  think  the  fishes  have  a  chance  at  survival?
 
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could  this  be  Tuberculosis?                

 what  gives  you  the  idea?  I  think  it  is  a  remote  chance  -  but,  possible!
 anyways,  a  water  test  could  help  to  determine  the  water  parameters  as  madhu  rightly  suggested  
                                                 
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If  you  use  antibiotics  in  a  QT,  the  showtank  will  still  have  the  infection  and  the  fishes  will  be  infected  soon  after  you  add  them  to  the  display  tank.  Better  to  treat  the  showtank  provided  with  filter  media  and  some  water  from  an  established  tank  so  that  your  fishes  dont  burn  out  their  gills  of  ammonia  hikes.                

 @Madan,  what  when  he  reintroduces  the  fish  in  the  display  tank  after  a  treatment  in  the  hospital  tank?  I  think  the  display  tank  also  needs  to  be  treated  in  some  manner!  -  If  we  rule  out  propritory  antibiotics  there  are  fantastic  aquarium  grade  medications  available  now-a-days  which  work  wonders  and  not  harm  the  bio-bacteria
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