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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

 Guys  and  girls(if  any  :-)  )  ,  our  company  was  planning  on  doing  a  social  service  project  ),  like  organizing  workshops  for  painting,  health  tips  etc..,  i  gave  them  an  idea  on  ''  Conservation  of  Reef's"  ,  now  here  is  what  they  want  to  know,
 
 1.  Detailed  description  of  the  project  along  with  action  items
 2.  Structure  of  the  project  and  execution  plan
 3.  Resources  needed  -  number  of  volunteers,  budget,  other  support  etc
 4.  Impact  &  its  measurement
 
 i  need  to  inform  them  by  monday  so  everything  works  out,  any,  all  tips  advices  will  be  appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

 a  reef  conservation  project  in  hyderabad?  Your  intention  is  good  but  wont  it  make  more  sense  to  do  a  project  on  the  conservation  of  local  water  bodies,  rivers,  lakes  etc.?  This  way  you  can  actually  make  more  of  an  direct  impact.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

 well  the  main  thing  is  to  make  captive  grown  corals  and  importing  corals  from  coral  farms  in  singapore  legal.  so  this  way  people  wont  go  and  get  corals  from  the  wild  destroying  the  wild.the  government  is  not  bothered  and  here  cheap  people  got  and  get  them  to  sell  to  us  or  keep  them  in  their  tanks.  well  they  should  allow  coral  farming  here  with  certificates  only.  same  thing  should  be  done  for  the  wild  caught  fishes  too.  iv  heard  people  from  south  getting  corals  from  wild  and  sell  telling  they  are  from  singapore  farms....  So  first  things  first,  MAKE  REEFING  LEGAL  and  allow  people  to  import  captive  grown  corals.  protect  the  reefs  by  colaborating  with  international  conservationists  because  you  cant  trust  indians,  they  would  do  anything  for  money.  hobbyist  would  enjoy  spending  more  on  certified  corals  and  fishes  rather  than  half  dead  wild  caught  corals  and  fishes
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

                                                   
nanomania  wrote  (View  Post):                
well  the  main  thing  is  to  make  captive  grown  corals  and  importing  corals  from  coral  farms  in  singapore  legal.  so  this  way  people  wont  go  and  get  corals  from  the  wild  destroying  the  wild.the  government  is  not  bothered  and  here  cheap  people  got  and  get  them  to  sell  to  us  or  keep  them  in  their  tanks.  well  they  should  allow  coral  farming  here  with  certificates  only.  same  thing  should  be  done  for  the  wild  caught  fishes  too.  iv  heard  people  from  south  getting  corals  from  wild  and  sell  telling  they  are  from  singapore  farms....  So  first  things  first,  MAKE  REEFING  LEGAL  and  allow  people  to  import  captive  grown  corals.  protect  the  reefs  by  colaborating  with  international  conservationists  because  you  cant  trust  indians,  they  would  do  anything  for  money.  hobbyist  would  enjoy  spending  more  on  certified  corals  and  fishes  rather  than  half  dead  wild  caught  corals  and  fishes                

 
 Hey  bro,  that's  a  great  thought,  what  u  saying  is  what  everyone  wants!!!
 But  captive  farming  cannot  alone  sustain  the  extensive  need  of  hobbyist  around  the  world!!!
 captive  farming  can  feed  the  soft-coral  needs,  like  zoas,  leather,  xenias,  etc,  but  few  softies  and  most  LPS  and  SPS  come  from  the  wild....
 
 Imported  or  Indian,  its  mostly  the  same  as  long  as  the  destruction  is  concerned!  most  farms  in  Singapore  or  Jakarta  are  mainly  just  holding  tanks  were  the  local  collected  stuff  is  kept  for  pickup,  nothing  is  ever  grown  there!!!!
 
 There  are  two  things  which  ppl  mix  up...aqua-cultured  and  captive-cultured!
 
 Large  SPS  colonies  are  completely  broken  into  small  frags  stuck  into  small  cement  blobs/frag  base,  and  kept  in  the  sea  based  stage/cage  for  a  few  weeks  and  exported,  these  specimens  mostly  don't  do  well  in  our  aquariums  as  they  are  still  from  the  sea  and  are  used  to  that  amount  of  lighting  and  nutrient  levels  they  die  soon  on  import  or  slowly  perish  with  time.....
 These  are  called  aquaculture  corals(many  reefers  suggest  not  to  buy  these  ones  at  all....they  come  mainly  from  Bali/Indonesia...and  90%  mortality  is  there!!!
 
 whereas  captive-cultured  is  wer  they  are  grown  and  fragged  indoors  under  total  captive  conditions,  these  strains  are  very  hardy,  and  this  method  does  not  disturb  the  wild  populations...
 
 many  generation  of  a  wild-colony  makes  a  strong  captive-culture  colony...that  produces  many  frags  on  a  regular  basis!!!!
 
 but  again,  aqua-cultured  and  captive-cultured...both  may  feed  the  SPS  lovers  as  well  as  softy  demand  as  they  are  fast  growing  corals...
 
 Sadly.....  still  today,  most  high  demand  LPS  like  Euphyllia,  Blastomussa,  Favias,  Acanthastrea,  Scolymia,  Goniopora,
 Catalaphyllia,  Trachyphyllia,  Fungia  and  Heliofungia  spp.....all  are  just  hacked  from  the  reef,  as  growing  them  will  be  too  slow  for  the  exporters  demand...also  the  reef  may  not  recover  form  such  huge  amount  of  harvesting!!!!
 
 many  foreign  countries  have  started  the  ban  on  importing  corals....,encouraging  and  pushing  the  reefers  to  no  option  but  to  successfully  captive  culture  all  corals  and  trade  with  each  other!!!
 
 The  fate  of  Indian  Reef  hobby  is  still  unknown,  ppl  are  trying  their  best  here  to  captive  culture,  but  the  cost  of  the  frags  go  up  and  buying  wild  ones  are  cheaper  for  the  typical  hobbyist  who  prefers  quantity  than  quality!!!!
 
 Lemme  know  what  u  guys  feel?
 
   Rock On
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

 plz  post  links  of  aqua  cultured  coral  sellers  in  india  and  encourage  group  buys  so  that  the  cost  can  be  feasible  to  all  and  security  of  the  colonies
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Need ideas/tips for a workshop on conservation of reefs Reply with quote

                                                   
lycodon  wrote  (View  Post):                
                                                 
nanomania  wrote  (View  Post):                
well  the  main  thing  is  to  make  captive  grown  corals  and  importing  corals  from  coral  farms  in  singapore  legal.  so  this  way  people  wont  go  and  get  corals  from  the  wild  destroying  the  wild.the  government  is  not  bothered  and  here  cheap  people  got  and  get  them  to  sell  to  us  or  keep  them  in  their  tanks.  well  they  should  allow  coral  farming  here  with  certificates  only.  same  thing  should  be  done  for  the  wild  caught  fishes  too.  iv  heard  people  from  south  getting  corals  from  wild  and  sell  telling  they  are  from  singapore  farms....  So  first  things  first,  MAKE  REEFING  LEGAL  and  allow  people  to  import  captive  grown  corals.  protect  the  reefs  by  colaborating  with  international  conservationists  because  you  cant  trust  indians,  they  would  do  anything  for  money.  hobbyist  would  enjoy  spending  more  on  certified  corals  and  fishes  rather  than  half  dead  wild  caught  corals  and  fishes                

 
 Hey  bro,  that's  a  great  thought,  what  u  saying  is  what  everyone  wants!!!
 But  captive  farming  cannot  alone  sustain  the  extensive  need  of  hobbyist  around  the  world!!!
 captive  farming  can  feed  the  soft-coral  needs,  like  zoas,  leather,  xenias,  etc,  but  few  softies  and  most  LPS  and  SPS  come  from  the  wild....
 
 Imported  or  Indian,  its  mostly  the  same  as  long  as  the  destruction  is  concerned!  most  farms  in  Singapore  or  Jakarta  are  mainly  just  holding  tanks  were  the  local  collected  stuff  is  kept  for  pickup,  nothing  is  ever  grown  there!!!!
 
 There  are  two  things  which  ppl  mix  up...aqua-cultured  and  captive-cultured!
 
 Large  SPS  colonies  are  completely  broken  into  small  frags  stuck  into  small  cement  blobs/frag  base,  and  kept  in  the  sea  based  stage/cage  for  a  few  weeks  and  exported,  these  specimens  mostly  don't  do  well  in  our  aquariums  as  they  are  still  from  the  sea  and  are  used  to  that  amount  of  lighting  and  nutrient  levels  they  die  soon  on  import  or  slowly  perish  with  time.....
 These  are  called  aquaculture  corals(many  reefers  suggest  not  to  buy  these  ones  at  all....they  come  mainly  from  Bali/Indonesia...and  90%  mortality  is  there!!!
 
 whereas  captive-cultured  is  wer  they  are  grown  and  fragged  indoors  under  total  captive  conditions,  these  strains  are  very  hardy,  and  this  method  does  not  disturb  the  wild  populations...
 
 many  generation  of  a  wild-colony  makes  a  strong  captive-culture  colony...that  produces  many  frags  on  a  regular  basis!!!!
 
 but  again,  aqua-cultured  and  captive-cultured...both  may  feed  the  SPS  lovers  as  well  as  softy  demand  as  they  are  fast  growing  corals...
 
 Sadly.....  still  today,  most  high  demand  LPS  like  Euphyllia,  Blastomussa,  Favias,  Acanthastrea,  Scolymia,  Goniopora,
 Catalaphyllia,  Trachyphyllia,  Fungia  and  Heliofungia  spp.....all  are  just  hacked  from  the  reef,  as  growing  them  will  be  too  slow  for  the  exporters  demand...also  the  reef  may  not  recover  form  such  huge  amount  of  harvesting!!!!
 
 many  foreign  countries  have  started  the  ban  on  importing  corals....,encouraging  and  pushing  the  reefers  to  no  option  but  to  successfully  captive  culture  all  corals  and  trade  with  each  other!!!
 
 The  fate  of  Indian  Reef  hobby  is  still  unknown,  ppl  are  trying  their  best  here  to  captive  culture,  but  the  cost  of  the  frags  go  up  and  buying  wild  ones  are  cheaper  for  the  typical  hobbyist  who  prefers  quantity  than  quality!!!!
 
 Lemme  know  what  u  guys  feel?
 
   Rock On                

 
 Very  true  but  what  im  trying  to  explain  is  that  only  captive  bred  and  certified  corals  should  be  allowed  to  import  and  sold  through  shops.  Shops  selling  wild  caught  should  be  jailed.  i  have  been  to  singapore  farms  and  have  seen  and  spoken  to  people  who  own  coral  farms  and  say  that  SPS  grow  like  weed  in  their  system  but  LPS  are  a  bit  slow.  so  i  guess  its  easier.  you  can  check  a  website  called  tendolladfrags.....   something  like  that  should  comeup  with  some  huge  hobbyist  frag  exchange  exibitions  that  happen  in  USA.   All  this  is  possible  if  get  our  selves  connected  internationally.  it  just  cant  be  possible  if  we  are  stuck  locally  because  no  ones  bothered  in  conservation,  all  they  wana  do  is  make  money  and  get  corals  for  cheap  or  free.....  you  must  have  seen  that  no  one  replied  to  this  thread,  which  i  believe  is  one  of  the  best  on  IAH........
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