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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: Betta Breeding: Attempt continued Reply with quote

 Hi  guys,
 This  is  a  log  of  my  recent  attempt  to  breed  bettas   Smile
 Its  a  long  post,  but  hopefully  the  pics  are  interesting  enough  compensate  for  the  length.
 
 I  have  bred  bettas  in  the  past,  thrice  to  be  precise  (at  that  time  i  didn't  know  that  i  was  doing  till  it  was  done   Chuckle  )
 
 So  this  can  be  called  a  first  open  eyed  attempt.
 
 aaand  it  failed....     Sad  
 
 So  here  are  the  details,  comments  are  welcome  regarding  what  can  be  done.
 
 Note:Kindly  ignore  the  Balaji  picture  in  the  background,  my  mother  couldn't  find  any  place  to  put  it  so  just  placed  it  behind  the  tank.   ROFL  
 
 Introducing  Male:
 
 
 IMG_4820  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 Veil  tail,  6-7  cms  (2.5  inches)  mouth  to  fin,  got  him  around  3-4  weeks  ago,  started  nesting  after  separating  him  from  community  tank.
 Stunning  colours,  pics  don't  at  all  do  justice  to  his  beauty.
 
 
 The  female:
 
 
 IMG_4816  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 Double  veil  tail,  6  cms  (2.5  inches)  a  bit  small  than  the  male,  had  her  since  4-5  months,
 lives  in  a  separate  roughly  5  gallon  transparent  bucket,  nests  some  times  (odd  for  a  female  isn't  it)  
 Large  size  for  a  female.
 she's  got  the  white  ovipositer,  so  i  conformed  its  a  she.
 Also  when  i  first  got  her  5  months   ago,  when  shown  a  mirror,  i  did  see  vertical  barring.  
 Haven't  seen  the  vertical  bars  recently  at  all.

 
 The  pair  are  introduced  to  each  other:
 
 IMG_4803  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 IMG_4801  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 I  repeated  the  routine  of  making  them  know  each  other  for  15-20  mins  for  around  2-3  days,  not  to  stress  each  other  out.
 I  have  seen  constant  flaring,  male  running  laps  between  the  nest  to  the  female  taking  turns  to  flare  and  blow  bubbles.
 
 So  in  attempt  1:
 Release  the  kraken.  I  mean  the  female  Chuckle
 <No>
 
 Chasing,  flaring,  nudging   (oh  boy  something's  wrong),
 thrashing  at  aquarium  corners  (ooh  boy),  destroying  bubble  nest  (here's  were  i  decided  to  stop)
 
 and  end  result  was  with  the  female  having  lesser  fins,  male  almost  intact  with  bite  marks  on  scales
 and  i  separated  them,  fed  them  both  after  their  nerves  calmed  down.
 
 Next  day  I  gave  another  try,  (male  in  the  mean  time  repaired  the  nest,  female  was  active  as  if  nothing  had  happened)
 
 So,  attempt  2:
 
 IMG_4828  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 Re-introduction  with  similar  reactions
 
 IMG_4830  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 
 IMG_4833  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 IMG_4834  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 Oh  boy,  a  fight  worthy  of  being  in  the  300  movie   Surprised
 I  let  them  stay  for  15  mins.
 
 Aftermath:
 
 Separation  of  both  male  and  female,  now  both  of  them  could  easily  pass  for  crown  tails.
 
 
 IMG_4840  by  Jayendra  Rakesh,  on  Flickr
 
 
 Coming  to  possible  reasons,  of  why  the  failure,
 -  Female  is  too  aggressive,  strong  to  be  submissive  for  the  male
 -  Male  is  still  a  juvenile  (I  consider  this  unlikely  based  on  his  size)
 -  Female  is  large,  so  male  thinks  its  another  male  (anybody  speaks  fish?  can  someone  tell  that  to  the  male  ???  )
 
 The  weirdest  but  possible  explanation
 -  Is  it  not  a  female  at  all  ?   Surprised    I  read  somewhere  that  males  rarely,  but  can  show  ovipositor  
 
 Hoping  for  some  comments  Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 I  read  somewhere  that  males  rarely,  but  can  show  oviposito=  EXACTLY  --IT  IS  UNDOUBTEDFULLY   AND  INDEED  A  she  male..  Smile  introduce  a  genuine  female  will  get  result...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 I  feel  both  are  males.  It  is  very  clear  from  the  pictures.  Please  get  a  female  and  try  again.  
 All  the  best  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 Hi
 thats  a  female  for  sure.  But  she  is  too  old  and  big  for  the  male.
 replace  the  female.  
 The  male  is  good.  Add  a  almond  leaf  to  get  the  water  in  right  colour.  Good  luck..  keep  us  updated.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 It  has  the  same  feeling  both  are  male
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 Nope...  taking  my  words  back.  Its  a  male.
 get  another  female  betta.  Smaller  and  younger  than  him.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

                                                   
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 I  read  somewhere  that  males  rarely,  but  can  show  oviposito=  EXACTLY  --IT  IS  UNDOUBTEDFULLY   AND  INDEED  A  she  male..  Smile  introduce  a  genuine  female  will  get  result...                

 
 
                                                 
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I  feel  both  are  males.  It  is  very  clear  from  the  pictures.  Please  get  a  female  and  try  again.
 All  the  best  Smile                

 Thanks  for  the  comments  guys,  will  be  visiting  local  LFS  soon  for  a  good  female.
 But  won't  be  attempting  breeding  soon,  I  want  the  male  back  in  shape.  Will  try  after  2-3  weeks
 
 
                                                 
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The  male  is  good.  Add  a  almond  leaf  to  get  the  water  in  right  colour.  Good  luck..  keep  us  updated.
                 

 err...  I  do  have  some  almond  trees  in  my  neighbour's  backyard.  Can  I  use  them  ?  (any  pre  -  processing  to  be  done?)
 or  are  there  any  specific  kind  of  almond  leaves  i  need  to  use.  If  so  where  can  I  get  them  ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 Nothing  specific  about  almond  leaf.  Just  make  sure  its  really  dried  up  almond  leaf.
 
 Before  adding  it  in  your  betta  tank  ....  
 just  keep  it  soaked  in  bucket  of  water  for  10  minutes.  So  that  the  impurities  are  all  gone  and  its  safe  to  use.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 I  was  about  to  write  that  both  are  males  and  when  I  saw  the  betta  guru  Deepakg's  first  post  I  was  shocked  after  1  hr  of  searching  through  the  net  to  find  such  females  I  came  back  and  saw  his  second  post.  Deepakg  sir  you  took  my  1  hr  Crying or Very sad   Crying or Very sad  .  But  as  usual  every  one  has  the  right  answer  and  mine  is  same  as  well  it  is  undoubtedly  a  male  whose  tail  is  tore   Chuckle  .
 
 I  had  a  similar  experience  where  a  very  reliable  shop  keeper  gave  me  a  half  moon  tail  plackat  male  as  female.  He  just  almost  killed  my  HM  black  orchid  male  but  luckily  I  could  save  him.  That  was  my  first  and  last  attempt  to  breed  bettas  As  I  will  not  be  good  enough  to  get  all  the  care  to  the  frys  even  if  I  breed  them.  So  in  a  way  I  thanked  the  shopkeeper  for  the  mistake  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  was  about  to  write  that  both  are  males  and  when  I  saw  the  betta  guru  Deepakg's  first  post  I  was  shocked  after  1  hr  of  searching  through  the  net  to  find  such  females  I  came  back  and  saw  his  second  post.  Deepakg  sir  you  took  my  1  hr  Crying or Very sad   Crying or Very sad  .  But  as  usual  every  one  has  the  right  answer  and  mine  is  same  as  well  it  is  undoubtedly  a  male  whose  tail  is  tore   Chuckle  .
 
 I  had  a  similar  experience  where  a  very  reliable  shop  keeper  gave  me  a  half  moon  tail  plackat  male  as  female.  He  just  almost  killed  my  HM  black  orchid  male  but  luckily  I  could  save  him.  That  was  my  first  and  last  attempt  to  breed  bettas  As  I  will  not  be  good  enough  to  get  all  the  care  to  the  frys  even  if  I  breed  them.  So  in  a  way  I  thanked  the  shopkeeper  for  the  mistake  Chuckle                

 he  he  sorry  jabba..   actually  I  saw  the  fifth  picture  where  the  female  pelvic  fin  was  looking  small.  But  in  other  pictures  ....  Thumb Down  
 Anyways  you  must  have   learned  something  in  one  hour  of  net  surfing.  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 Male  male  cant  breed  or  do  produce  any  eggs....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 dude  before  breeding  be  ready  with  your  foods  which  you  feed  your  fries..otherwise  you  may  loss  your  all  fries  and  you  got  nothing  in  your  hand...be  ready  with  your  all  fry  foods...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

                                                   
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Male  male  cant  breed  or  do  produce  any  eggs....                

   Chuckle  I  know  that,  i  just  couldn't  identify  properly  that  both  were  males  Very Happy
 
                                                 
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dude  before  breeding  be  ready  with  your  foods  which  you  feed  your  fries..otherwise  you  may  loss  your  all  fries  and  you  got  nothing  in  your  hand...be  ready  with  your  all  fry  foods...                

 
 Noted,  i  was/am  in  hunt  for  micro  worm  starter  cultures  in  Hyderabad,  i  contacted  mudassir.  will  take  the  culture  from  him  in  a  couple  of  days.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

 Jayendra
 talk  to  maaj.  He  is  our  local  scientist.  Rock On     He  made  his  own  beer  worm  culture.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Betta Breeding: A failed attempt Reply with quote

                                                   
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Jayendra
 talk  to  maaj.  He  is  our  local  scientist.  Rock On     He  made  his  own  beer  worm  culture.                

 
 
 Hahahahahahahahahahaa  ROFL  ocal  scientist  hahahahahaha....  ROFL  Thanks  Deepak  Ji...
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